The Mt. Cashel boys orphanage was the site of decades of abuse and cover up.

[blackbird]

Sadly this is a story of decades of sexual abuse of hundreds of boys, followed by decades of cover-ups by the authorities society must rely on.  

"Canada's largest sexual abuse scandal was disclosed in 1989, resulting in the closure of the facility in 1990 after the last resident was moved to an alternate facility. The property was seized and the site razed and sold for real-estate development in the mid-1990s as part of a court settlement ordering financial compensation to the victims."

Mount Cashel Orphanage - Wikipedia

 

[CdnFox]

Yeah but they're white kids so.... doesn't really matter does it?

[Black Dog]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Yeah but they're white kids so.... doesn't really matter does it?

Yeah other than the extensive media coverage, multiple criminal investigations, dozens of civil suits and commissions of enquiry, no one cared about this at all.  You f*cking dope.

[CdnFox]

19 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

Yeah other than the extensive media coverage, multiple criminal investigations, dozens of civil suits and commissions of enquiry, no one cared about this at all.  You f*cking dope.

There's been next to no media coverage.  First i've heard of it in fact and i check multiple media sources pretty much daily. When Kamloops happened it was in every paper for weeks and they never even found a body. 

Meanwhile the one commission done said the gov't handled it badly but nobody cared. Took them many many years to get compensation.  There's hardly any effort put into it given that we're talking about so many kids abused for so long by a fairly large group of people. 

And where's the outrage today? There's none. 

nobody cares if it's white people.  They don't matter.  Our gov't and the leftists have been saying that for years. 

[Black Dog]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

There's been next to no media coverage.  First i've heard of it in fact and i check multiple media sources pretty much daily. When Kamloops happened it was in every paper for weeks and they never even found a body. 

Yeah I wonder why there's not wall to wall contemporary media coverage of a scandal that broke 35 f*cking years ago. Truly a mystery for the ages.

Took me .5 seconds to find these:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/church-must-pay-104-million-to-victims-of-historical-abuse-in-newfoundland-1.6953270

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/church-mount-cashel-settlement-1.7255755

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Meanwhile the one commission done said the gov't handled it badly but nobody cared. Took them many many years to get compensation.  There's hardly any effort put into it given that we're talking about so many kids abused for so long by a fairly large group of people. 

 

You want to be a victim sooooo bad.

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Black Dog said:

 

Yeah I wonder why there's not wall to wall contemporary media coverage of a scandal that broke 35 f*cking years ago. Truly a mystery for the ages.

 

ummmm... the res school stuff happend a lot further back than that    LOLOL  THAT was a swing and a miss  

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Took me .5 seconds to find these:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/church-must-pay-104-million-to-victims-of-historical-abuse-in-newfoundland-1.6953270

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/church-mount-cashel-settlement-1.7255755

 

 

Wow - two whole stories in 35 years.  Gad when will the media circus on this issue stop?!?! 

LOL - i think you're proving my point nicely  

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You want to be a victim sooooo bad.

Me? I never went to that school. 

What i want to know is why are people like you so eager to treat two different groups that had the exact same thing happen to them (probably worse for these boys based on this account) so differently?  

Looks like you don't have an answer. Would you like to insult me instead?

[blackbird]

I tried to copy part of an article from the following website and a short message appeared on the screen with a warning that the website accessed my clipboard and to be cautious about copying and pasting from the website.  That is the first time I ever had that happen.  Seems kind of like hacking to have a website accessing one's computer when you are reading or copying some information from their website.  There are a lot of sinister things going on in this world.

I think it is safe to go to this website to read it, but I am not sure about copying and pasting anything from it.  They may be up to something.   This website article does give a fairly comprehensive report of the abuse scandal overall.  I will save it.  It is worth reading even though I can't understand why I got that little message on the screen when I copied it.  But one can read it without copying it or just ignore the message.

 Mount Cashel Orphanage Abuse Scandal (heritage.nf.ca)

 

[ExFlyer]

48 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I tried to copy part of an article from the following website and a short message appeared on the screen with a warning that the website accessed my clipboard and to be cautious about copying and pasting from the website.  That is the first time I ever had that happen.  Seems kind of like hacking to have a website accessing one's computer when you are reading or copying some information from their website.  There are a lot of sinister things going on in this world.

I think it is safe to go to this website to read it, but I am not sure about copying and pasting anything from it.  They may be up to something.   This website article does give a fairly comprehensive report of the abuse scandal overall.  I will save it.  It is worth reading even though I can't understand why I got that little message on the screen when I copied it.  But one can read it without copying it or just ignore the message.

 Mount Cashel Orphanage Abuse Scandal (heritage.nf.ca)

 

Look, Mt Cashel is old news.

The order and province had already paid put over $45 million.

You are just so anti catholic you have this obsession to post anti catholic news.

Did you know catholic are Christians....the first christian?? Whatever christian you think you are...you are late to the party LOL

 

If you want to know about Mt Cashel, here is its history. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Cashel_Orphanage

 

[Black Dog]

17 hours ago, CdnFox said:

ummmm... the res school stuff happend a lot further back than that    LOLOL  THAT was a swing and a miss  

The last residential school closed in 1997, Mt Cashel closed in 1989. But besides that fact, the Kamloops story did offer new information based on the 2021 survey, just like the recent announcement of a settlement for the Mount Cashel victims was a new development in that long running story.

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Wow - two whole stories in 35 years.  Gad when will the media circus on this issue stop?!?! 

LOL - i think you're proving my point nicely  

Uh the OP's wiki link has a number of contemporary reports. You're clearly too young to have been around, but this was a major scandal with wall-to-wall coverage at the time.Just because you're ignorant, doesn't mean anyone else is.

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In the weeks and months after the police investigation was reopened, the media reported countless details of abuse that boys who were placed at the orphanage had suffered, and the Newfoundland and Labrador government ordered a public inquiry to investigate what went wrong.

The subsequent Hughes inquiry's proceedings were televised — often across Canada, thanks to then-new cable news channels — and took captivated viewers inside a scandal that involved the police, the top levels of government and the Roman Catholic church. 

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Me? I never went to that school. 

Or any school, it seems. My point here is that you're trying to create a narrative in which white victims are being ignored because of their race. A hierarchy of victimhood, if you will.

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What i want to know is why are people like you so eager to treat two different groups that had the exact same thing happen to them (probably worse for these boys based on this account) so differently?  

Looks like you don't have an answer. Would you like to insult me instead?

There's no unequal treatment, both groups were victims, all deserve justice.

You never heard of this scandal until yesterday, the idea that you have some insight into how these groups are being treated is absurd, just shut the f*ck up.

Edited July 10, 2024 by Black Dog

[ExFlyer]

3 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

The last residential school closed in 1997, Mt Cashel closed in 1989. But besides that fact, the Kamloops

Uh the OP's wiki link has a number of contemporary reports. You're clearly too young to have been around, but this was a major scandal woith wall-to-wall coverage at the time.Just because you're ignorant, doesn't mean anyone else is.

You never heard of this scandal until yesterday, the idea that you have some insight into how these groups are being treated is absurd, just shut the f*ck up.

Mt Cashel is not a residential school.

This is old news. The new payment is not but there has been investigations and payouts since 1989.

The point I think was that the OP is an anti catholic person and posts anti catholic stuff at every opportunity.

I think you should heed your own advice.

[Black Dog]

Just now, ExFlyer said:

Mt Cashel is not a residential school.

I didn't say it was.

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This is old news. The new payment is not but there has been investigations and payouts since 1989.

The point I think was that the OP is an anti catholic person and posts anti catholic stuff at every opportunity.

I think you should heed your own advice.

 

I'm not interested in the OPs motivations, I'm addressing that other dope's claims that this scandal that he only just heard of is being treated differently than the residential schools.

[blackbird]

41 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Look, Mt Cashel is old news.

It's not "old news".  It took fifty years or more for a ruling to pay 104 million and the victims have still not been paid.  It is an ongoing struggle for the abuse victims.

Funny how you are trying to downplay the news about the largest sexual abuse fiasco in Canadian history.

Even though you spent a lot of time fighting against the Bible and Christianity on the forum, if you think the RC church is being exposed for sexual abuse, you get on your high horse and suddenly become religious.  You must be a closet Roman Catholic.  Now you feel you must "come out of the closet" and defend the Catholic church.  Kind of ironic after your history of opposing me talking about religion or the Bible, don't you think.

41 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Did you know catholic are Christians....the first christian?? Whatever christian you think you are...you are late to the party LOL

Afraid you don't know a thing about the history of Christianity and how it started or how the Roman church started.

There was no Pope or Catholic church as we know it in the early centuries.  Christianity was not even legal in the Roman Empire until Constantine allegedly had a spiritual experience and legalized Christianity in the Roman Empire in 313 A.D.

It was some time after that before the first Popes were established.  It was over many centuries that the Roman church invented the long list of its many unbiblical beliefs.  

However, the main point of this OP was about the sexual abuse and subsequent cover ups that took place in the past sixty years and what is happening with it now.  

But we know you like to try to create a diversion and a phony excuse to try to downplay the subject on here.  Being opposed to Romanism does not mean the Mt. Cashel abuse disaster should not be discussed on here.  I think I know far more about Romanism and what has been going on in the world than you will ever know.

But since you raised the subject of Christianity itself, here is some truth for you:

"The most crucial problem with the Roman Catholic Church is its belief that faith alone in Christ is not sufficient for salvation. The Bible clearly and consistently states that receiving Jesus Christ as Savior, by grace through faith, grants salvation (John 1:12; 3:16,18,36; Acts 16:31; Romans 10:9-10,13; Ephesians 2:8-9). The Roman Catholic Church rejects this. The official position of the Roman Catholic Church is that a person must believe in Jesus Christ AND be baptized AND receive the Eucharist along with the other sacraments AND obey the decrees of the Roman Catholic Church AND perform meritorious works AND not die with any mortal sins AND etc., etc., etc. Catholic divergence from the Bible on this most crucial of issues, salvation, means that yes, Catholicism is a false religion. If a person believes what the Catholic Church officially teaches, he/she will not be saved. Any claim that works or rituals must be added to faith in order for salvation to be achieved is a claim that Jesus’ death was not sufficient to fully purchase our salvation."

Is Catholicism a false religion? Is Catholicism a cult? | GotQuestions.org

 

Edited July 10, 2024 by blackbird

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Black Dog said:

The last residential school closed in 1997, Mt Cashel closed in 1989.

 

Oh and is that the  year kamloops closed?  Nope, it closed in 78. And the claims of buried children go back to 1893. 

So utter fail there blackie   The residential school issues that the media has been talking about are from much much earlier than that. 

So if we shouldn't be paying attention to this becuase its'  "Old news".... why are we paying attention to that? Most of it's 100 years or more in the past. 

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Uh the OP's wiki link has a number of contemporary reports

A report is not a news article. 

Sorry kid - that was YOUR claim. You searched and found 2 .   Now you're trying to backtrack.  Were you lying then or now?

1 hour ago, Black Dog said:

Or any school, it seems. My point here is that you're trying to create a narrative in which white victims are being ignored because of their race

I'm correctly pointing out that victims are treated VERY differently based on their race. 

Couple hundred kids suffer years of abuse and hardship in living memory - meh. We'll look into it.  I guess. National coverage and media concer about 1 out of 100. 

Couple hundred kids who died 100 years ago, probably from natural causes? NATIONAL PRESS - OUTRAGE- A NEW HOLIDAY COMMISSIONED ACROSS THE LAND!!!! GENOCIDE!! CANADA IS EVIL!!!!!!

 So what's the difference? 

One is first nations and the other was white kids for the most part. 

Sorry if it's inconvenient but that is in fact the truth.  My original comment was intended to be slightly tongue in cheek but the more you try to say it's wrong, the more obvious it is that it's correct. 

Edited July 10, 2024 by CdnFox

[CrazyCanuck89]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

It's not "old news".  It took fifty years or more for a ruling to pay 104 million and the victims have still not been paid.  It is an ongoing struggle for the abuse victims.

Funny how you are trying to downplay the news about the largest sexual abuse fiasco in Canadian history.

Even though you spent a lot of time fighting against the Bible and Christianity on the forum, if you think the RC church is being exposed for sexual abuse, you get on your high horse and suddenly become religious.  You must be a closet Roman Catholic.  Now you feel you must "come out of the closet" and defend the Catholic church.  Kind of ironic after your history of opposing me talking about religion or the Bible, don't you think.

Afraid you don't know a thing about the history of Christianity and how it started or how the Roman church started.

There was no Pope or Catholic church as we know it in the early centuries.  Christianity was not even legal in the Roman Empire until Constantine allegedly had a spiritual experience and legalized Christianity in the Roman Empire in 313 A.D.

It was some time after that before the first Popes were established.  It was over many centuries that the Roman church invented the long list of its many unbiblical beliefs.  

However, the main point of this OP was about the sexual abuse and subsequent cover ups that took place in the past sixty years and what is happening with it now.  

But we know you like to try to create a diversion and a phony excuse to try to downplay the subject on here.  Being opposed to Romanism does not mean the Mt. Cashel abuse disaster should not be discussed on here.  I think I know far more about Romanism and what has been going on in the world than you will ever know.

But since you raised the subject of Christianity itself, here is some truth for you:

"The most crucial problem with the Roman Catholic Church is its belief that faith alone in Christ is not sufficient for salvation. The Bible clearly and consistently states that receiving Jesus Christ as Savior, by grace through faith, grants salvation (John 1:12; 3:16,18,36; Acts 16:31; Romans 10:9-10,13; Ephesians 2:8-9). The Roman Catholic Church rejects this. The official position of the Roman Catholic Church is that a person must believe in Jesus Christ AND be baptized AND receive the Eucharist along with the other sacraments AND obey the decrees of the Roman Catholic Church AND perform meritorious works AND not die with any mortal sins AND etc., etc., etc. Catholic divergence from the Bible on this most crucial of issues, salvation, means that yes, Catholicism is a false religion. If a person believes what the Catholic Church officially teaches, he/she will not be saved. Any claim that works or rituals must be added to faith in order for salvation to be achieved is a claim that Jesus’ death was not sufficient to fully purchase our salvation."

Is Catholicism a false religion? Is Catholicism a cult? | GotQuestions.org

 

That still doesn't change the fact that Catholsim is a denomination of Christianity.  Same with Mormons.

19 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

 

Oh and is that the  year kamloops closed?  Nope, it closed in 78. And the claims of buried children go back to 1893. 

So utter fail there blackie   The residential school issues that the media has been talking about are from much much earlier than that. 

So if we shouldn't be paying attention to this becuase its'  "Old news".... why are we paying attention to that? Most of it's 100 years or more in the past. 

A report is not a news article. 

Sorry kid - that was YOUR claim. You searched and found 2 .   Now you're trying to backtrack.  Were you lying then or now?

I'm correctly pointing out that victims are treated VERY differently based on their race. 

Couple hundred kids suffer years of abuse and hardship in living memory - meh. We'll look into it.  I guess. National coverage and media concer about 1 out of 100. 

Couple hundred kids who died 100 years ago, probably from natural causes? NATIONAL PRESS - OUTRAGE- A NEW HOLIDAY COMMISSIONED ACROSS THE LAND!!!! GENOCIDE!! CANADA IS EVIL!!!!!!

 So what's the difference? 

One is first nations and the other was white kids for the most part. 

Sorry if it's inconvenient but that is in fact the truth.  My original comment was intended to be slightly tongue in cheek but the more you try to say it's wrong, the more obvious it is that it's correct. 

The victims aren't treated any differently.  If anything the residential schools were more hush hush.

[CdnFox]

17 minutes ago, CrazyCanuck89 said:

The victims aren't treated any differently.  If anything the residential schools were more hush hush.

They were in the paper every day for months and  months. There's a new holiday in Canada as a direct result. It was spoken about all over the world.

THat's your idea of 'hush hush'?

[CrazyCanuck89]

4 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

They were in the paper every day for months and  months. There's a new holiday in Canada as a direct result. It was spoken about all over the world.

THat's your idea of 'hush hush'?

Residential schools were hush hush for over a 100 years.  Mount Carmel got the attention it deserved.

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, Black Dog said:

I didn't say it was.

I'm not interested in the OPs motivations, I'm addressing that other dope's claims that this scandal that he only just heard of is being treated differently than the residential schools.

But you brought up residential schools for some reason???

 

 

[CdnFox]

9 minutes ago, CrazyCanuck89 said:

Residential schools were hush hush for over a 100 years.  Mount Carmel got the attention it deserved.

This isn't 100 years ago. This is now. 

And the news for Mount Carmel is now. 

So why is one treated differently than the other.

Dodging the question in light of the obvious facts makes it look like you know there's an issue, you just don't want to address it because you don't like the answer. 

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

It's not "old news".  I....

Funny how you are trying to downplay the news about the largest sexual abuse fiasco in Canadian history.
 

Even though you spent a lot of time fighting against the Bible a....

....rambling blather.....

...more ambling blather......

Is Catholicism a false religion? Is Catholicism a cult? | GotQuestions.org

 

Yes, it this old news. As I said, this latest payment is new but the actual controversy and payments is old. I liked the Wiki and the entire history is there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Cashel_Orphanage

 

I have never ever fought against the bible, only against bible thumping zealots like you.

 

"Roman Catholicism originated with the very beginnings of Christianity. An essential component of the definition of any one of the other branches of Christendom,"  https://www.britannica.com/topic/Roman-Catholicism

 

https://christian.net/theology-and-spirituality/who-came-first-christianity-or-catholicism/

Edited July 10, 2024 by ExFlyer

[CdnFox]

Just now, ExFlyer said:

Yes, it this old news. As I said, this latest payment is new but the actual controversy and payments is old. I liked the Wiki and the entire history is there.

You seem to think anything that didn't happen last year is "old".  This comes up often with you 

I suppose if you want to define anything not happening right now as 'old' then fine.  But then the first nations issues are EXTREMELY old. Yet we make a fuss over that. 

Why the difference?

[ExFlyer]

6 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You seem to think anything that didn't happen last year is "old".  This comes up often with you 

I suppose if you want to define anything not happening right now as 'old' then fine.  But then the first nations issues are EXTREMELY old. Yet we make a fuss over that. 

Why the difference?

WTF???

1974 was the first complaint...hardly last year???

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Cashel_Orphanage

 

[Black Dog]

22 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

But you brought up residential schools for some reason???

No that was this dummy:

20 hours ago, CdnFox said:

ummmm... the res school stuff happend a lot further back than that    LOLOL  THAT was a swing and a miss  

 

14 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

This isn't 100 years ago. This is now. 

And the news for Mount Carmel is now. 

So why is one treated differently than the other.

Dodging the question in light of the obvious facts makes it look like you know there's an issue, you just don't want to address it because you don't like the answer. 

It broke in 1989, dummy.

[Black Dog]

31 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

They were in the paper every day for months and  months. There's a new holiday in Canada as a direct result. It was spoken about all over the world.

THat's your idea of 'hush hush'?

The creation of a National Day for Truth and Reconciliation was one of the Calls to Action contained in the final report of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission of Canada in 2015. The Kamloops story broke in 2019, four years later. What's that you say? "Swing and a Miss"?

[CdnFox]

8 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

WTF???

1974 was the first complaint...hardly last year???

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Cashel_Orphanage

 

I didn't say the first complaint was last year.  I said you seem to think anything that didnt' happen last year is "old". 

That's really not that hard a concept to wrap your head around is it? Not sure why you got confused over that. 

You regularly claim things that are older than 1 year are "old'.  Something happened 3 years ago - thats "old news". etc. 

You can say that something that happened a few decades ago is "old' if you like (kinda a tough case to make given the scale of history but whatever).  Honestly when discussing the history of events even ww2 is still considered to be fairly recent history by most. 

But it's not relevant. i notice you didn't actually answer the question.  Why the difference?  Dodging the issue are we?

8 minutes ago, Black Dog said:

The creation of a National Day for Truth and Reconciliation was one of the Calls to Action contained in the final report of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission of Canada in 2015.

But didn't happen till the recent "Disscovery" at kamloops and the national kerfuffle that followed. That's why and when it was created. It wasn't created when the T&R report came out was it. 

 

[ExFlyer]

17 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I didn't .....

....was it. 

 

Oh yeah, another typo LOL

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Edited July 10, 2024 by ExFlyer