Anti-Zionism = Anti-Semitism

[Matthew]

5 minutes ago, carepov said:

Without this unique state, there would be terrible suffering of Jewish people.

That seems to be a matter of supposition. I agree that it's reasonable to speculate that Jewish people face certain vulnerabilities in a stateless diaspora as they previously were. Many ethnic groups never developed their own nation-states, a few hundred years back when people were doing that. Most don't face terrible suffering as a result. However, the way in which Israel did come about and the way it continues to gravitate toward right-wing nationalism has created new antagonisms and attachments to the rivalries of great powers and thus puts Jewish people in a state of even greater vulnerability and risk. It is not unreasonable for people--Jewish or otherwise to believe that this is a self-destructive path and to argue that those coopting Judaism in the name of their nationalist political movement are the actual ones doing greater long-term harm to Jews. Again, like your own opinion, this is in the realm of supposition. But reasonable people have long disagreed about this and one side is not automatically anti-semitic for their opinion.

[carepov]

Supposition?

Without military strength to defend themselves, there would not be barely a single Jew alive in Palestine.  This is not supposition, simply read the Hamas charter.  Listen to the leaders of the Muslim world now and over the last 80 years.  Look at what happened to other Jewish communities in the ME.

[eyeball]

On 6/26/2024 at 8:06 PM, carepov said:

More or less, Yes.  Anti-zionism can be based on either ignorance or anti-jewish prejudice.  But it is anti-Semitic either way. 

In Israel it's largely based on ideology - if you're a lefty it's a safe bet you're an anti-Semite, especially if you're secular.

[carepov]

17 hours ago, eyeball said:

In Israel it's largely based on ideology - if you're a lefty it's a safe bet you're an anti-Semite, especially if you're secular.

No, I would bet that almost all Jews in Israel, left or right, religious or secular are Zionist.

Check out Noa Tishby and her book Israel.

[eyeball]

10 minutes ago, carepov said:

No, I would bet that almost all Jews in Israel, left or right, religious or secular are Zionist.

Check out Noa Tishby and her book Israel.

I will. In the meantime the concept of the Self loathing Jew persists 

"[45] Haaretz writes that the term is almost exclusively used today by the Jewish right against the Jewish left, and that within left-wing and liberal circles, is "usually considered a joke".[46] Richard Forer, writing for The Huffington Post, rejects the legitimacy of the term as it is commonly used, calling them so divisive that they make tolerance and cooperation impossible, eradicating the possibility for genuine understanding. Forer writes: "The notion that any Jew who is dedicated to justice for all people harbors self-hatred defies common sense. Given the self-esteem it takes to stand for justice amidst fierce denunciation, a more accurate assessment is that these are self-loving Jews."[47]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-hating_Jew