Trump's new claims would have been nothing short of apologizing Hitler's invasion that started WWII

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, myata said:

And there we go, RFK the new shooting star in the lying entourage is repeating tired Putin's lies that match those of Hitler almost word to word.

What couldn't we know here? All is right before our eyes.

Spam spam spam spam.... 

[myata]

By the way, none of this is new. This is 1940s stuff, three at least generations back:

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And listen, Gandalf, my old friend and helper! he said, coming near and speaking now in a softer voice: ‘I said we, for we it may be, if you will join with me. A new Power is rising. Against it the old allies and policies will not avail us at all. There is no hope left in Elves or dying Númenor. This then is one choice before you, before us. We may join with that Power. It would be wise, Gandalf. There is hope that way. Its victory is at hand; and there will be rich reward for those that aided it. As the Power grows, its proved friends will also grow; and the Wise, such as you and I, may with patience come at last to direct its courses, to control it. We can bide our time, we can keep our thoughts in our hearts, deploring maybe evils done by the way, but approving the high and ultimate purpose: Knowledge, Rule, Order; all the things that we have so far striven in vain to accomplish, hindered rather than helped by our weak or idle friends. There need not be, there would not be, any real change in our designs, only in our means.’

‘Saruman,’ I said, ‘I have heard speeches of this kind before, but only in the mouths of emissaries sent from Mordor to deceive the ignorant. I cannot think that you brought me so far only to weary my ears.’

Weak, scared but still lusting for power and domination of others will easily justify to themselves corruption or complete abandonment of any principles for joining with a greater villain. For them, it was only a decoration, an adornment of the true purpose and goal: the power. So, nothing new here really. Nothing we didn't see and couldn't have known.

 

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, myata said:

By the way, none of this is new. This is 1940s stuff, three at least generations back:

Quote:

And listen, Gandalf, my old friend and helper! he said, coming near and speaking now in a softer voice: ‘I said we, for we it may be, if you will join with me. A new Power is rising. Against it the old allies and policies will not avail us at all. There is no hope left in Elves or dying Númenor. This then is one choice before you, before us. We may join with that Power. It would be wise, Gandalf. There is hope that way. Its victory is at hand; and there will be rich reward for those that aided it. As the Power grows, its proved friends will also grow; and the Wise, such as you and I, may with patience come at last to direct its courses, to control it. We can bide our time, we can keep our thoughts in our hearts, deploring maybe evils done by the way, but approving the high and ultimate purpose: Knowledge, Rule, Order; all the things that we have so far striven in vain to accomplish, hindered rather than helped by our weak or idle friends. There need not be, there would not be, any real change in our designs, only in our means.’

‘Saruman,’ I said, ‘I have heard speeches of this kind before, but only in the mouths of emissaries sent from Mordor to deceive the ignorant. I cannot think that you brought me so far only to weary my ears.’

Weak, scared but still lusting for power and domination of others will easily justify to themselves corruption or complete abandonment of any principles for joining with a greater villain. For them, it was only a decoration, an adornment of the true purpose and goal: the power. So, nothing new here really. Nothing we didn't see and couldn't have known.

 

So.... you believe the lord of the rings was real and occurred in the 1940's. 

I wish i could claim to be surprised. 

[myata]

There are just too many factual episodes and coincidences to ignore so one can make some conclusions. First, we are dealing with a group that is entirely devoid of integrity, principles or even common sense inasmuch as it relates to friendly dealings with known ruthless and aggressive thugs.

Next, there are no lines, moral or rational they couldn't and wouldn't cross only to enforce and prop up their egos and their agendas. This - dealing, rubbing noses and faces with modern incarnations of Hitler, pretending they're nothing out of ordinary, was the last of such lines. It is very easy to see too.

And the question here is simple: should it become the new normal and standard of American politics from now and till who knows? Should all traditions, declarations and principles take off and fly away into the cold down of a new era? We can't avoided because in this case, as always in such cases, history will obtain her answer either way. There are no excuses or explanations, in such cases.

[Five of swords]

1 hour ago, myata said:

There are just too many factual episodes and coincidences to ignore so one can make some conclusions. First, we are dealing with a group that is entirely devoid of integrity, principles or even common sense inasmuch as it relates to friendly dealings with known ruthless and aggressive thugs.

Next, there are no lines, moral or rational they couldn't and wouldn't cross only to enforce and prop up their egos and their agendas. This - dealing, rubbing noses and faces with modern incarnations of Hitler, pretending they're nothing out of ordinary, was the last of such lines. It is very easy to see too.

And the question here is simple: should it become the new normal and standard of American politics from now and till who knows? Should all traditions, declarations and principles take off and fly away into the cold down of a new era? We can't avoided because in this case, as always in such cases, history will obtain her answer either way. There are no excuses or explanations, in such cases.

You illustrate perfectly what is wrong with modern 'liberalism'.

 

 

 

Because you fool yourself into thinking that your government's legitimacy is based on it being oh so moral, you cannot have simple political adversaries. Your adversaries have to also be evil, and thus any negotiation is unethical and thus impossible.

 

 

 

If powerful states adopt this point of view, it greatly increases the chance of war bringing an end to the human race.

Edited September 10, 2024 by Five of swords

[myata]

Just now, Five of swords said:

you cannot have simple political adversaries.

There you go, apologists and helpers of modern Hitlers - de facto already, in the news, only "political adversaries". Hitlers are "political adversaries" except their political theses also just happen to include tanks and bombs.

This isn't an aberration you see - it happens in the cults all the time. First of all, they want to remove and erase all and any principles and norms that form the basis of independent, individual thought and forming the position. Because without such, one can - and did, and have, history has all the facts on that, accept anything the cult and its Idol preaches. Even reprehensible and impossible previously. Even self-contradictory and all the way to total nuts. Can't deny it - this is exactly how it happened.

"Political adversaries"? Sure. Let's have a discussion why it was wrong to confront Hitler in WWII and one should have been looking for compromises and "mutual cooperation" with him instead. Go ahead, waiting for sound arguments.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, myata said:

There you go, apologists and helpers of modern Hitlers - de facto already, in the news, only "political adversaries". Hitlers are "political adversaries" except their political theses also just happen to include tanks and bombs.

This isn't an aberration you see - it happens in the cults all the time. First of all, they want to remove and erase all and any principles and norms that form the basis of independent, individual thought and forming the position. Because without such, one can - and did, and have, history has all the facts on that, accept anything the cult and its Idol preaches. Even reprehensible and impossible previously. Even self-contradictory and all the way to total nuts. Can't deny it - this is exactly how it happened.

"Political adversaries"? Sure. Let's have a discussion why it was wrong to confront Hitler in WWII and one should have been looking for compromises and "mutual cooperation" with him instead. Go ahead, waiting for sound arguments.

After years and years of refusing to address anyone like the coward you are, you chose to start with the nazi  

Says more about you than him. 

[Five of swords]

4 hours ago, myata said:

There you go, apologists and helpers of modern Hitlers - de facto already, in the news, only "political adversaries". Hitlers are "political adversaries" except their political theses also just happen to include tanks and bombs.

This isn't an aberration you see - it happens in the cults all the time. First of all, they want to remove and erase all and any principles and norms that form the basis of independent, individual thought and forming the position. Because without such, one can - and did, and have, history has all the facts on that, accept anything the cult and its Idol preaches. Even reprehensible and impossible previously. Even self-contradictory and all the way to total nuts. Can't deny it - this is exactly how it happened.

"Political adversaries"? Sure. Let's have a discussion why it was wrong to confront Hitler in WWII and one should have been looking for compromises and "mutual cooperation" with him instead. Go ahead, waiting for sound arguments.

It was wrong to confront Hitler in ww2.

 

He w!no threat to the uk or to France. They easily could have minded their own business.

 

His ambition was totally consistent with 'wilsonianism'. The 14 points everyone was supposed to agree to after ww1, and having strong cultural origins in the Treaty of Westphalia.

 

It is totally insane to go to war with any country that goes to war. And that obviously isn't even what the uk was doing, or they would have declared war on Stalin when he invaded Finland. Alson Stalin was in fact a long term threat to France and the uk.

 

Declaring war on Germany was not only unethical, it was stupid. We could have been spared the entire cold war.

 

If you are interested in this subject maybe you should check this out: https://www.audible.ca/pd/Churchill-Hitler-and-The-Unnecessary-War-Audiobook/B071VQMRB4

Edited September 10, 2024 by Five of swords

[myata]

2 hours ago, Five of swords said:

It was wrong to confront Hitler in ww2.

He w!no threat to the uk or to France. They easily could have minded their own business.

OK, good to know. It would take a separate topic to discuss that history in the detail it merits but note this: a boom, period factual (pseudo-, lying of course) statement with zero factual evidence, and contrary to it. Hitler had an overheated, militarized economy and the population. He and his circle have developed over a decade, an ideology of dominating the world. He had plans of conquest in the East and West.

All that was only innocent kidding? He would have stopped in Poland and asked for nothing more? Just give bully what he wants and he'll never come back for more? Just because he said so? Believing that would be beyond dumb, but there may be intent here: an insidious revision of history to suit today's needs and agendas of the cult.

And this is the cult as plain as it can be. Reality, facts, history are irrelevant. Its message of the moment is all that matters and tomorrow it will change on a whim. What can be added here, 1984 said it all.

[Five of swords]

1 hour ago, myata said:

OK, good to know. It would take a separate topic to discuss that history in the detail it merits but note this: a boom, period factual (pseudo-, lying of course) statement with zero factual evidence, and contrary to it. Hitler had an overheated, militarized economy and the population. He and his circle have developed over a decade, an ideology of dominating the world. He had plans of conquest in the East and West.

All that was only innocent kidding? He would have stopped in Poland and asked for nothing more? Just give bully what he wants and he'll never come back for more? Just because he said so? Believing that would be beyond dumb, but there may be intent here: an insidious revision of history to suit today's needs and agendas of the cult.

And this is the cult as plain as it can be. Reality, facts, history are irrelevant. Its message of the moment is all that matters and tomorrow it will change on a whim. What can be added here, 1984 said it all.

Well this is just ahistoric. Hitler had no plans of world domination, quite the opposite. And he didn't really ramp up military production until after he decided he had to invade poland. In fact, the Czechs had more tanks and ammunition than Germany had. Amd Czech tanks after the ammunition were the staple of thr german military in the early part of the war.

 

I know you were told otherwise, but the people who told you that simply lied. In fact, you can simply study the history more and check primary sources and it will prove that it was a lie. No revisionism needed.

 

Thr irony is that all the enemies of Hitler were the actual people seeking world domination. The British and French empires, Stalin, and the usa.

Edited September 10, 2024 by Five of swords

[myata]

4 minutes ago, Five of swords said:

Thr irony is that all the enemies of Hitler were the actual people seeking world domination. The British and French empires, Stalin, and the usa.

Well based on my knowledge of history and basic common sense I choose to stay with the opinion that Hitler and his bunch were aggressive maniacs bent on world domination, not some poor misunderstood and hurt children. They didn't have to invade Czechoslovakia and Poland yet they chose too and it's a fact of history. There's undeniable documentary evidence of the rise of the world domination ideology under the Nazi regime

I already said that I have no interest in alternate realities, histories, imaginations and such. For that reason it's unlikely that I would be able to spare any more attention to your posts, thanks for understanding.

[Five of swords]

7 minutes ago, myata said:

Well based on my knowledge of history and basic common sense I choose to stay with the opinion that Hitler and his bunch were aggressive maniacs bent on world domination, not some poor misunderstood and hurt children. They didn't have to invade Czechoslovakia and Poland yet they chose too and it's a fact of history. There's undeniable documentary evidence of the rise of the world domination ideology under the Nazi regime

I already said that I have no interest in alternate realities, histories, imaginations and such. For that reason it's unlikely that I would be able to spare any more attention to your posts, thanks for understanding.

Based on your knowledge. Exactly.

 

They did not invade czechoslavakia. In fact they could not have, lol. The czechs had more tanks. This is accepted history.

 

They did have to invade poland if they cared about the germans in danzig.

 

This isn't even some 'alternate history'. Even mainstream history will admit these things.

Edited September 10, 2024 by Five of swords

[myata]

I'm not involved in alternative histories. Anyone can find all information at their fingertips and in the library, etc. What is indicative here though, is the desire to whitewash and redesign the history of the most brutal aggressive regimes in history of Europe at least: Germany, Nazi era. And Putin's, our time.

The question is: why? What's in it, for the cult bunch? And the answer is quite obvious: the power. Bare, all of it, and nothing else. There's nothing here we didn't know, couldn't see and couldn't have known.

 

[myata]

Between the law and brutal, abysmal lawlessness, is the there the right one? He doesn't know or he wouldn't tell. Trump refuses to say whether he wants Ukraine to win war against Russia.

Look, in the times of WWII he would have said to want peace with the Axis, not defeating them. How could one read it any different? Echoing all the lying all of Putin's talking points, yet again, "negotiation" with a bandit, "peace" on his terms, "third war" - where is the line between self-serving carelessness and a clear and material assistance to the enemy?

More than an empty-headed liar full of himself, playing into the hands of dictator thugs right at the time when a new axis of tyrants has been rising he is a clear risk and threat to security of America and the free world. How could one overlook and avoid this conclusion?

Edited September 11, 2024 by myata

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, myata said:

Between the law and brutal, abysmal lawlessness, is the there the right one? He doesn't know or he wouldn't tell. Trump refuses to say whether he wants Ukraine to win war against Russia.

Look, in the times of WWII he would have said to want peace with the Axis, not defeating them. How could one read it any different? Echoing all the lying all of Putin's talking points, yet again, "negotiation" with a bandit, "peace" on his terms, "third war" - where is the line between self-serving carelessness and a clear and material assistance to the enemy?

More than an empty-headed liar full of himself, playing into the hands of dictator thugs right at the time when a new axis of tyrants has been rising he is a clear risk and threat to security of America and the free world. How could one overlook and avoid this conclusion?

You talk about lying in revisionist history and then you pull this crap. You and five of swords are the same coin different sides

Unless you are a sick f*ck beyond belief, Everyone wants to see the war stopped. The Russians want to see it stopped with the defeat of Ukraine and Ukraine wants to see it stopped with the defeat of Russia, but everybody can agree that the war and the killing and all of that is very very bad.

So when you cry about how people want peace, what you're saying is you prefer blood and death and Mayhem and women and children being blown up. You prefer that you would rather see that than see an end to the conflict. You are a disgusting person. 

Trump wisely is keeping neutral. If he comes to power that will give him a chance to approach both sides and see if the conflict can end in a way that everyone can live with and go from there. 

This is like korea in the 60's,  Russia can't beat ukraine from the looks of things and ukraine has no chance of beating russia.  So what, you just want them to go on killing each other forever?  You love watching women and children die THAT much?  Finding a way to end it that works for both parties is a better choice. 

 

[myata]

Actual de facto helpers of the worst aggressive dictator tyrants on the planet. No way of getting past and around it. A clear danger to the national security.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, myata said:

Actual de facto helpers of the worst aggressive dictator tyrants on the planet. No way of getting past and around it. A clear danger to the national security.

You mean the democrats? They are the most aggressive dictator tyrants on the planet currently. 

[myata]

Liar who regularly repeats enemy propaganda is more than just a liar. The cases are just too many. Can it be a coincidence?

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, myata said:

Liar who regularly repeats enemy propaganda is more than just a liar. The cases are just too many. Can it be a coincidence?

No coincidence, you're very clearly a liar. So you're correct there

[myata]

Putin, Kim and the bunch are the enemies of the free world. They said as much on countless occasions. Ignoring the obvious never solved these problems. Brutal, aggressive thugs won't just smile and go back to their swamps picking daisies.

Then, if someone just couldn't get it, even itching, edging and twitching to help them would be a clear risk to the world's safety and security. The reality and reason can't be ignored.

Edited September 11, 2024 by myata

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, myata said:

Putin, Kim and the bunch are the enemies of the free world.

You shouldn't spend so much time sticking up for them then

[myata]

So we have here a candidate for the leadership of a first world democracy, who consistently, point to point repeats the lies and propaganda of its staunchest enemy, a totalitarian dictator, international bandit bent on subjugation, aggression and destruction of the freedom. This is no longer a guess, factually confirmed and repeated manifestation in the reality.

Nominating such candidates is not only a gross, unforgivable failure of responsibility by a democratic party entrusted by the people with selection of quality leaders. It is also an unacceptable risk, and a threat to the national security.

Edited September 12, 2024 by myata

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, myata said:

So we have here a candidate for the leadership of a first world democracy, who consistently, point to point repeats the lies and propaganda of its staunchest enemy, a totalitarian dictator, international bandit bent on subjugation, aggression and destruction of the freedom. This is no longer a guess, factually confirmed and repeated manifestation in the reality.

Nominating such candidates is not only a gross, unforgivable failure of responsibility by a democratic party entrusted by the people with selection of quality leaders. It is also an unacceptable risk, and a threat to the national security.

The only thing  you're a leadership candidate for is the world organization of village !diots 

[myata]

History tells us very clearly that games with this stuff, especially irresponsible and duplicitous can cost much and end very badly. This can be the case where following the pipe of a patented and stamped all over liar is not only un-smart but also risky and dangerous. The reality does not like to be ignored and it has told us that very clearly on many, many occasions.

[CdnFox]

39 minutes ago, myata said:

History tells us very clearly that games with this stuff, especially irresponsible and duplicitous can cost much and end very badly. This can be the case where following the pipe of a patented and stamped all over liar is not only un-smart but also risky and dangerous. The reality does not like to be ignored and it has told us that very clearly on many, many occasions.

Which history.  What stuff. what pipe? what reality is being ignored?

God you are such a mind meltingly stupid person, it's like you just use a random word generator and then spam the channel.