The Proud Boys are back: How the far-right group is rebuilding to rally behind Trump

[Deluge]

20 hours ago, Black Dog said:

Segregation and redlining aren't social programs.

They are in Chicago. One high school offers race-segregated classes: blacks-only or latinos-only.

Here, check it out: 

https://www.dailysignal.com/2023/11/29/progressive-public-high-school-offers-race-segregated-classes/

[impartialobserver]

as to how someone gets out of poverty.. social programs help but are not a one-size-fits-all solution. Being someone who was raised poor and stayed poor much into their 20's.. it goes beyond simply having extra money/resources. A lot of times, you have to change the mindset of the person. All in all.. humans are complex and a myriad of factors go into it. 

[robosmith]

20 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Both BLM and ANTIFA are terrorist organizations and BLM has also been exposed as a scam.

Nobody shoots anyone at the drop of a hat Sally. Grow a pair and try the truth for as change.

Social programs created the ghettos and they perpetuate them today.

Finally...you really are a blithering id1ot and a bald-faced liar.

Thanks for doubling down on your IGNORANT LIES.

First they could be IGNORANT, but repeating them makes them LIES.

[robosmith]

14 hours ago, reason10 said:

There are black members of Proud Boys. Are you a RACIST? You're criticizing them.

And the Proud Boys are not domestic terrorist hate groups like BLM or ANTIFA.

Proud Boys LEADERS are in PRISON for INSURRECTION on Jan 6th, IGNORAMUS.

[robosmith]

15 hours ago, Nationalist said:

In the 60's black America was coming into its own. Education was good and society was healthy.

In the '60 there were major violent RIOTS in the streets all over America over Jim Crow.

Leading advocate of nonviolent protest MLK was MURDERED.

That was the cause of JIM CROW'S DEMISE, IGNRORAMUS.

[Deluge]

23 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Proud Boys LEADERS are in PRISON for INSURRECTION on Jan 6th, IGNORAMUS.

Banana courts don't count, JACKASS, as you will learn early next year.  

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, impartialobserver said:

as to how someone gets out of poverty.. social programs help but are not a one-size-fits-all solution. Being someone who was raised poor and stayed poor much into their 20's.. it goes beyond simply having extra money/resources. A lot of times, you have to change the mindset of the person. All in all.. humans are complex and a myriad of factors go into it. 

IMO...social programs should not be free money. They should be self-help programs. Dump all the money into schools...police...social messaging like Nancy's "Just say no" campaign...sports and recreation. And give the young men...and women...a stark choice; Produce or enjoy much less "goodies". Goodies can also be based on something I believe welfare robbed folks of...a sense of family. I know this is blatant social engineering but, so is welfare. If we're gonna do it...do it well. Not this half-assed bullshit.

[impartialobserver]

6 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

IMO...social programs should not be free money. They should be self-help programs. Dump all the money into schools...police...social messaging like Nancy's "Just say no" campaign...sports and recreation. And give the young men...and women...a stark choice; Produce or enjoy much less "goodies". Goodies can also be based on something I believe welfare robbed folks of...a sense of family. I know this is blatant social engineering but, so is welfare. If we're gonna do it...do it well. Not this half-assed bullshit.

You are free to believe that is some grand social engineering plan but being someone who has helped design some of these programs.. it is mostly pure pragmatism. There is a problem and the folks involved want a short term solution. Short term involves money.. like it or not. When you play the long game, folks get impatient and want some sort of quantifiable metric that is predictable.. and that is hard to do. 

[Nationalist]

3 hours ago, robosmith said:

In the '60 there were major violent RIOTS in the streets all over America over Jim Crow.

Which ended in 1965. Progress.

3 hours ago, robosmith said:

Leading advocate of nonviolent protest MLK was MURDERED.

Yes in '68. I remember. Everyone was shaking up by it. Society was changing for the better.

3 hours ago, robosmith said:

That was the cause of JIM CROW'S DEMISE, IGNRORAMUS.

Jim Crow ended in '65. Get a grip.

Edited June 18, 2024 by Nationalist

[Nationalist]

5 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

You are free to believe that is some grand social engineering plan but being someone who has helped design some of these programs.. it is mostly pure pragmatism. There is a problem and the folks involved want a short term solution. Short term involves money.. like it or not. When you play the long game, folks get impatient and want some sort of quantifiable metric that is predictable.. and that is hard to do. 

Agreed. But it has to be done. So...design a "gradual" change...say over 5 years.

The quicker we...as a society...recognize the abject failure of what's been done...the better.

Mostly for kids.

[impartialobserver]

Just now, Nationalist said:

Agreed. But it has to be done. So...design a "gradual" change...say over 5 years.

The quicker we...as a society...recognize the abject failure of what's been done...the better.

Mostly for kids.

The second issue that comes into play is NIMBY-ism. Ok, so you cut off the SNAP and TANF funds.. awesome. What happens next? Increased homelessness, crime ticks up, folks leave your state (Arkansas as the prime example), and your economic metrics go down (GDP, taxable sales, jobs). In the long term, they recover. However, in the short term the politicians are cowardly. They created this temporary pain but are not willing to take the blame for these negative metrics. We can't have any downturns.... no way. We have to have predictable, steady increases in the metrics. Downturns (even if it is really a necessary correction) is a sign of "poor leadership" by armchair experts. They value their jobs and so keep kicking the proverbial can down the road. 

[Nationalist]

6 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

The second issue that comes into play is NIMBY-ism. Ok, so you cut off the SNAP and TANF funds.. awesome. What happens next? Increased homelessness, crime ticks up, folks leave your state (Arkansas as the prime example), and your economic metrics go down (GDP, taxable sales, jobs). In the long term, they recover. However, in the short term the politicians are cowardly. They created this temporary pain but are not willing to take the blame for these negative metrics. We can't have any downturns.... no way. We have to have predictable, steady increases in the metrics. Downturns (even if it is really a necessary correction) is a sign of "poor leadership" by armchair experts. They value their jobs and so keep kicking the proverbial can down the road. 

No. You don't just cut them off. You give them jobs. Any downturn would be exposing the addicts and criminals. Thus facilities would need to be built for them. You would also need huge foster parent and adoption infrastructure. 

RE. Politicians: Fck 'em. We've already seen that government messaging carries huge weight. I mean...the people can be outright lied to and a lot just buy it up. It requires media to push this. Push media and the politicians will follow.

Look...I know this would be a social shock...for the first year or two. But we both know media can and does drive public sentiment and that does drive politicians. But we both also know...me thinks.. that what is being done now produces very little in the way of positive change.

[robosmith]

7 hours ago, Deluge said:

Banana courts don't count, JACKASS, as you will learn early next year.  

They count for locking you up. If you don't believe that, then put it to the test.

5 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Which ended in 1965. Progress.

Yes in '68. I remember. Everyone was shaking up by it. Society was changing for the better.

Jim Crow ended in '65. Get a grip.

The riots put an end to Jim Crow cause continuing it wasn't worth the COST. 

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

They count for locking you up. If you don't believe that, then put it to the test.

The riots put an end to Jim Crow cause continuing it wasn't worth the COST. 

Dunce! Jim Crow ended in 1965.

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Dunce! Jim Crow ended in 1965.

Again, you don't know what you're talking about.

The riots continued until at least 1967, per American Experience - "The Riot Report."

Quote

When Black neighborhoods in scores of cities erupted in violence during the summer of 1967, President Lyndon Johnson appointed the National Advisory Commission on Civil Disorders––informally known as the Kerner Commission––to answer three questions: What happened? Why did it happen? And what could be done to prevent it from happening again? The bi-partisan commission’s final report, issued in March of 1968, would offer a shockingly unvarnished assessment of American race relations––a verdict so politically explosive that Johnson not only refused to acknowledge it publicly, but even to thank the commissioners for their service. The Riot Report explores this pivotal moment in the nation’s history and the fraught social dynamics that simultaneously spurred the commission’s investigation and doomed its findings to political oblivion.

Don't you ever get tired of pretending you know things that you're wrong about?

Watch and weep. LMAO

[Nationalist]

6 hours ago, robosmith said:

Again, you don't know what you're talking about.

The riots continued until at least 1967, per American Experience - "The Riot Report."

Don't you ever get tired of pretending you know things that you're wrong about?

Watch and weep. LMAO

Jim Crow ended in 1965. Deal with reality.

"Between 1960 and 1970 blacks, as well as whites, improved their socioeconomic status. Among both races, educational attainment increased, the occupational distribution was upgraded, and real purchasing power rose markedly. In almost every comparison, the gains were somewhat greater among blacks than among whites and thus most indicators of racial differentiation declined."

https://www.jstor.org/stable/2060859

[Deluge]

17 hours ago, robosmith said:

They count for locking you up. If you don't believe that, then put it to the test.

They count for communist dictatorships - something you've been pining for since your grammar school indoctrination camps. 

 

[reason10]

On 6/18/2024 at 11:52 AM, robosmith said:

Proud Boys LEADERS are in PRISON for INSURRECTION on Jan 6th, IGNORAMUS.

Same Nazi court system that found Trump guilty of NOTHING.

There was no insurrection, you !diot. Nobody in Congress died.

The Nazis STILL control the White House (which they used FRAUD to get.)

 

And it ALL ends when America takes back its government this November and reelects Trump in a landslide.

[robosmith]

On 6/19/2024 at 5:08 AM, Nationalist said:

Jim Crow ended in 1965. Deal with reality.

"Between 1960 and 1970 blacks, as well as whites, improved their socioeconomic status. Among both races, educational attainment increased, the occupational distribution was upgraded, and real purchasing power rose markedly. In almost every comparison, the gains were somewhat greater among blacks than among whites and thus most indicators of racial differentiation declined."

https://www.jstor.org/stable/2060859

Your CITE is NOT EVIDENCE that the riots didn't continue through 1967.

You're just IGNORING the VIDEO EVIDENCE I showed you. Coward.

[robosmith]

5 hours ago, reason10 said:

Same Nazi court system that found Trump guilty of NOTHING.

Trump's trial is still pending. Duh

5 hours ago, reason10 said:

There was no insurrection, you !diot. Nobody in Congress died.

Only cause they had safe houses and retreated to them. Are you that stupid?

5 hours ago, reason10 said:

The Nazis STILL control the White House (which they used FRAUD to get.)

NO EVIDENCE of ^this. LMAO

5 hours ago, reason10 said:

And it ALL ends when America takes back its government this November and reelects Trump in a landslide.

He MIGHT eek out an EC win, but there's no way it's a landslide. He's NEVER won the popular vote and that's not likely to change now.

[Nationalist]

7 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Your CITE is NOT EVIDENCE that the riots didn't continue through 1967.

You're just IGNORING the VIDEO EVIDENCE I showed you. Coward.

Lol...how do you live with yourself? Do you not realize what a joke you are? 

I didn't say there weren't demonstrations. But you just can't help but lie.

[reason10]

On 6/21/2024 at 5:48 PM, robosmith said:

Trump's trial is still pending. Duh

Only cause they had safe houses and retreated to them. Are you that stupid?

NO EVIDENCE of ^this. LMAO

He MIGHT eek out an EC win, but there's no way it's a landslide. He's NEVER won the popular vote and that's not likely to change now.

You Nazis are such losers as well as sore losers.

When LEGALLY ELECTED PRESIDENT TRUMP wins his THIRD election, he'll sweep away those bogus charges  and likely revamp the Department Of Justice. He'll also fix this BIDENFLATION economy and reverse the trend the world is goose stepping towards WORLD WAR THREE.

[robosmith]

On 6/21/2024 at 2:54 PM, Nationalist said:

Lol...how do you live with yourself? Do you not realize what a joke you are? 

I didn't say there weren't demonstrations. But you just can't help but lie.

You're the one PRETENDING to know EXACTLY when Jim Crow ended, but have NO EVIDENCE that ALL the Jim Crow laws were rescinded by 1965. LMAO

22 minutes ago, reason10 said:

You Nazis are such losers as well as sore losers.

Joe Biden is in the WH proving your "unelected" pretense MEANINGLESS. LMAO

22 minutes ago, reason10 said:

When LEGALLY ELECTED PRESIDENT TRUMP wins his THIRD election, he'll sweep away those bogus charges  and likely revamp the Department Of Justice. He'll also fix this BIDENFLATION economy and reverse the trend the world is goose stepping towards WORLD WAR THREE.

I hope his "election" goes the same way it did in 2020. AKA to PRISON.

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

You're the one PRETENDING to know EXACTLY when Jim Crow ended, but have NO EVIDENCE that ALL the Jim Crow laws were rescinded by 1965. LMAO

You truly are an incredible ball of silliness.

[CdnFox]

11 hours ago, Nationalist said:

You truly are an incredible ball of silliness.

I disagree. I believe he is a rhomboid of silliness.  I think we can agree categorically that when it comes to robsmith there's no balls involved at all