What's a little light Treason between friends?

[ExFlyer]

23 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

And now with all this Canadians do not know if they are screwed or punched...with Justin telling one story, may another and sing who knows i think this could have been planed all along...i mean really do Canadians really care ? i don't really think so...our government right now is so corrupt, MP's are only thinking how to line their own pockets...not the country...even if Canadians had the list of names which i think will come out somehow......what are Canadians going to demand they be fired or charges brought against them.. Canadian politics have become a joke ...how many canadians take it seriously...

Ain't that the truth.

I think Canadians are curious, especially if the nominations were ri9gged,

I also think that they are curious if there are any sitting members that have been lobbied by foreign interests.

Lobbying is a long standing tradition in all democratic countries/societies/politics. I personally cannot see any way to prevent it or temper it. Be it form foreign entities, businesses, companies and even people in general. Everyone want so be seen as knowing a sitting politician...it feeds the buisiness and ego,

[eyeball]

19 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Lobbying is a long standing tradition in all democratic countries/societies/politics. I personally cannot see any way to prevent it or temper it. Be it form foreign entities, businesses, companies and even people in general. Everyone want so be seen as knowing a sitting politician...it feeds the buisiness and ego,

Lobbying can serve a good purpose. It allows people to bring new ideas to the attention of policy makers and how to make ideas policy makers bring forward work better.

I really do think the amount of outright overt corruption is pretty small but the perception its greater is amplified by the amount of effort put into keeping everything confidential private and secret.

All we're told why this confidentiality privacy and secrecy is so necessary is that people are afraid to speak frankly - which is to say the public will lose its shit upon hearing what they have to say.

Compared to the loss of shit when the public is left out of the room? Seriously?   

[Goddess]

19 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Lobbying can serve a good purpose. It allows people to bring new ideas to the attention of policy makers and how to make ideas policy makers bring forward work better.

Polievre has been telling lobbyists they won't get an ear from him.

He says if their ideas are so great, they need to sell the public on them first and then the people will let him know if they want whatever idea or not.

This sounds reasonable to me.

You want tax cuts or bailouts or special law carveouts for your company?  Sell the public on how it benefits THEM first and then the public will ask for it.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Goddess said:

Polievre has been telling lobbyists they won't get an ear from him.

He says if their ideas are so great, they need to sell the public on them first and then the people will let him know if they want whatever idea or not.

This sounds reasonable to me.

You want tax cuts or bailouts or special law carveouts for your company?  Sell the public on how it benefits THEM first and then the public will ask for it.

At the end of the day, trying to monitor corruption or government activity by watching the people themselves or trying to put body cameras on them is pointless. The correct way for the public to measure their politicians and activities is in the output. Are the government services we're getting of proper quality? Or our taxes at a fair level or are they too high? Is business vestment climbing or not? Is GDP to capita going up or down?

Etc etc etc,  there are plenty of solid and difficult to fake metrics that tell us if the government is delivering or not. And the opposition's job is supposed to be (in part) to be digging and making sure those metrics are being honestly reported and that the gov't is accountable. 

As long as that's happening and we're getting good results then nothing else really matters. People will have good opportunity, the country will grow stronger, etc. Any meaningful levels of corruption will turn up if all of that is happening. 

[eyeball]

On 6/18/2024 at 12:12 PM, Goddess said:

He says if their ideas are so great, they need to sell the public on them first and then the people will let him know if they want whatever idea or not.

This sounds reasonable to me.

It's pretty much what I've been saying for years around here - lobbying public officials should be done publicly, not in secret.

For some odd reason though you people always lose your shit when I suggest it. 

[Goddess]

I don't know if anyone else is following what's going on in Ecuador but that new president is quite the guy.

First he rounded up all the narcos and degenerates, killed them all or put them in jail where he starved them or made furniture out of them or something, who cares.

Then he called a meeting of his entire Executive Branch, sat them all down and basically said, "Youre probably wondering why i called you all here today. You all work under me except THAT guy over there. He's the Attorney General and he'll be investigating all of you for the next whìle, retroactively and in the future."

Then he's like, "That was fun. What are we gonna do now? What's for lunch?"

So. It can be done.

Edited June 22, 2024 by Goddess

[CdnFox]

On 6/19/2024 at 8:26 PM, eyeball said:

It's pretty much what I've been saying for years around here - lobbying public officials should be done publicly, not in secret.

For some odd reason though you people always lose your shit when I suggest it. 

That's because you refuse to hold people to account when they're caught now. You insist we should have more accountability but refuse to hold people to account when they break the law. You even go so far as to blame harper for people breaking the law today.

And you make insane suggestions like they should wear body cams, as if that would actually achieve anything.

So it's impossible to take you seriously. You're a walking hypocrisy and you blame everybody else except Trudeau for the crimes that Trudeau commits.

When you start to hold Trudeau accountable for the crimes he commits that we know about already, then we can talk about what we would do with more accountability