Federal 1861 vs Federal 2024 -No Big Deal?

[Hodad]

15 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I wonder if you actually believe this garbage or figure you must keep up appearances?

Not that it matters much.

I am absolutely certain you don't believe the lies you are telling. You just repeat them to service your Dom.

You can look at a photo of the Trump administration signing the "surrender" agreement. You can see photos and read accounts of them extracting almost all of the troops. And you'll claim loudly that those things didn't happen, regardless of how humiliating it is. because that's the kink. 

[Nationalist]

2 minutes ago, Hodad said:

I am absolutely certain you don't believe the lies you are telling. You just repeat them to service your Dom.

You can look at a photo of the Trump administration signing the "surrender" agreement. You can see photos and read accounts of them extracting almost all of the troops. And you'll claim loudly that those things didn't happen, regardless of how humiliating it is. because that's the kink. 

Oh I know what happened. I also know Trump would NOT have allowed the travesty that happened...happen.

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Top generals told lawmakers under oath on Tuesday that they advised President Joe Biden early this year to keep several thousand troops in Afghanistan — directly contradicting the president’s comments in August that no one warned him not to withdraw troops from the country.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/09/28/top-generals-afghanistan-withdrawal-congress-hearing-514491

The twit fcks up everything he touches.

[Hodad]

13 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Oh I know what happened. I also know Trump would NOT have allowed the travesty that happened...happen.

The twit fcks up everything he touches.

Leaving 2500 troops to be overrun by the Taliban is just murder. Is that your proposal? Biden should have just left the last batch behind?

[robosmith]

46 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I wonder if you actually believe this garbage or figure you must keep up appearances?

Not that it matters much.

I am always fairly certain you believe the garbage you post here, Mr. Dunning Kruger.

[Nationalist]

6 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Leaving 2500 troops to be overrun by the Taliban is just murder. Is that your proposal? Biden should have just left the last batch behind?

I don't know. I wasn't there. Neither were you. But Brandon was and he fcked up...as usual.

[robosmith]

21 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Oh I know what happened. I also know Trump would NOT have allowed the travesty that happened...happen.

The twit fcks up everything he touches.

Because you believe that the 2500 US troops that Trump left behind could have defeated the Taliban AFTER the AN Army abandoned ship? LMAO

[Nationalist]

2 minutes ago, robosmith said:

I am always fairly certain you believe the garbage you post here, Mr. Dunning Kruger.

lol...yes dear...

[Hodad]

1 minute ago, Nationalist said:

I don't know. I wasn't there. Neither were you. But Brandon was and he fcked up...as usual.

So you, by your own admission "don't know" if Biden should have abandoned 2500 US troops to the Taliban forces?

Well, that should be a pretty farking easy question to answer, but let's stipulate that, indeed, you can't figure it out and don't know. 

And then let's agree that if you don't know what you're talking about, you're not really in any position to be blaming Biden for Trumps "surrender."

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, Hodad said:

So you, by your own admission "don't know" if Biden should have abandoned 2500 US troops to the Taliban forces?

Well, that should be a pretty farking easy question to answer, but let's stipulate that, indeed, you can't figure it out and don't know. 

And then let's agree that if you don't know what you're talking about, you're not really in any position to be blaming Biden for Trumps "surrender."

That's right. I don't know. I can speculate the 2500 would have been in that base they had with the air strip they didn't use which had 80 million in arms and equipment. But I'd be speculating.

I do know that Brandon's exit from Afghanistan was a complete surrender...a complete fckup...and completely revealing to everyone paying attention. 

[Hodad]

2 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

That's right. I don't know. I can speculate the 2500 would have been in that base they had with the air strip they didn't use which had 80 million in arms and equipment. But I'd be speculating.

I do know that Brandon's exit from Afghanistan was a complete surrender...a complete fckup...and completely revealing to everyone paying attention. 

After his administration signed the "surrender" agreement, Trump publicly vowed to have all the troops home by Christmas 2020. 

He fell 2500 troops short of that goal, but even you can plainly see that was the intention, no? He very nearly completed his "surrender," no?

You don't even want to hold him 90% accountable for making the deal withdrawing 90% of the troops?

You know that's absurd, right?

[Nationalist]

5 minutes ago, Hodad said:

After his administration signed the "surrender" agreement, Trump publicly vowed to have all the troops home by Christmas 2020. 

He fell 2500 troops short of that goal, but even you can plainly see that was the intention, no? He very nearly completed his "surrender," no?

You don't even want to hold him 90% accountable for making the deal withdrawing 90% of the troops?

You know that's absurd, right?

No...I know Brandon fcked up as usual. Hell...as expected. That's all he ever does...all he ever has done.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/01/robert-gates-thinks-joe-biden-hasnt-stopped-being-wrong-40-years/356785/

 

[Hodad]

8 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

No...I know Brandon fcked up as usual. Hell...as expected. That's all he ever does...all he ever has done.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/01/robert-gates-thinks-joe-biden-hasnt-stopped-being-wrong-40-years/356785/

 

You're hopeless and helpless. Can't even manage a little honesty.

[Nationalist]

27 minutes ago, Hodad said:

You're hopeless and helpless. Can't even manage a little honesty.

What honesty? Dude...you need to face the truth sometime. Brandon did what he always does...he made a mess of things.

[Fluffypants]

1 hour ago, Hodad said:

After his administration signed the "surrender" agreement, Trump publicly vowed to have all the troops home by Christmas 2020. 

He fell 2500 troops short of that goal, but even you can plainly see that was the intention, no? He very nearly completed his "surrender," no?

You don't even want to hold him 90% accountable for making the deal withdrawing 90% of the troops?

You know that's absurd, right?

It wasn't a "surrender" agreement he made a deal that the Taliban would let the current government run the country and if they didn't we would come back.

Biden was just lets send everyone home and let the Taliban do whatever they want. Also leave a bunch of Americans and people who helped us there to get killed.

The Taliban were at the gates as the last planes lifted off and they killed American soldiers all because of Biden's decisions not Trumps.

 

 

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, Fluffypants said:

It wasn't a "surrender" agreement he made a deal that the Taliban would let the current government run the country and if they didn't we would come back.

Biden was just lets send everyone home and let the Taliban do whatever they want. Also leave a bunch of Americans and people who helped us there to get killed.

The Taliban were at the gates as the last planes lifted off and they killed American soldiers all because of Biden's decisions not Trumps.

 

 

Complete bullshit. Trump actively excluded the Afghan government from the negotiations-- which is as clear a signal as one can send. And the Taliban was required to stop attacking American troops. They were actively attacking Afghan troops and reclaiming territory as soon as the ink was dry. Literally within days. And Trump continued an almost total withdrawal as the Taliban reclaimed the country.

Again, Biden had no opportunity to "send everyone home." 90% of "everyone" had already been sent home , by Trump. 

It is tragic that 13 service people were killed as they tried to evacuate but the terrorists did exactly what we all knew they would do after Trump gave them back the country. The only thing that would have been different if we had left 2500 troops there is that the terrorists would have had enough targets to do it over and over and over again. 

You people are desperate to blame Biden for something that he had almost no control over. His only choices were to bring home the final 2500 troops, or send on a new surge of Americans large enough to defend itself. 

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

What honesty? Dude...you need to face the truth sometime. Brandon did what he always does...he made a mess of things.

Your DISHONESTY. You posted that Gate's opinion before, after which I posted Gate's backtracking on Biden's performance, saying Biden has done a good job.

 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Hodad said:

Complete bullshit. Trump actively excluded the Afghan government from the negotiations-- which is as clear a signal as one can send. 

Sounds pretty terrible the way you describe it. So why didn't Biden cancel it then? He certainly could have, it was entirely within his power to do so.

So your argument is that trump made such a bad deal that it was obvious to everybody that it was terrible and nobody should go through with it. But it's also your contention that it's not Biden's fault that he chose to exercise this arrangement rather than cancel it or change it.

I believe the appropriate phrase here would rhyme with clucking fullshit  

[Nationalist]

9 hours ago, robosmith said:

Your DISHONESTY. You posted that Gate's opinion before, after which I posted Gate's backtracking on Biden's performance, saying Biden has done a good job.

 

Lol...