reason10 Posted May 19, 2024 Report Posted May 19, 2024 https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-gov-abbott-issues-full-pardon-army-sergeant-who-killed-blm-protester Texas Gov. Abbott issues full pardon for Army sergeant who killed BLM protester Texas Gov. Greg Abbott on Thursday issued a full pardon for a former U.S. Army sergeant convicted of murder in the shooting death of an armed protester during a 2020 Black Lives Matter march. The move by Abbott came minutes after a unanimous recommendation by the Texas Board of Pardons and Paroles that Daniel Perry be pardoned and have his firearms rights restored. Under Texas law, the governor cannot issue a pardon without a recommendation from the board, which the governor appoints. "The Texas Board of Pardons and Paroles conducted an exhaustive review of U.S. Army Sergeant Daniel Perry’s personal history and the facts surrounding the July 2020 incident and recommended a Full Pardon and Restoration of Full Civil Rights of Citizenship," Abbott said in a statement. To start with the race issue (which all the goose stepping left wingers here immediately would go to), the shooter (on the left) was white. Apparently, the animal Perry shot in SELF DEFENSE was also white. The sergeant's defense attorneys argued Foster, who is White, did raise the rifle and that Perry had no choice but to shoot. So, during a protest of a bunch of Marxist funded ANIMALS, one of the protestors had an AR 15 (which liberals stupidly try to refer to as Assault Rifle 15) and pointed it at Perry. And Perry, being trained in the military, saw the threat and fired, killing that animal. An ignorant Austin jury somehow found Perry guilty, but apparently the Governor actually took time to read the state statutes, including the STAND YOUR GROUND LAWS and decided to pardon this hero. Here's a novel idea: Yeah, you may not have any education whatsoever, you might be dumber than a nail (which you'd have to be to join Burn Loot Murder (BLM), you DO have the right to be a racist !DIOT and protest with those animals for some RACIST cause. The First Amendment gives you that right. The Second Amendment gives you the right to carry a firearm. But if you point it at someone, that person has the right to shoot you and kill you in the state of Texas. Any questions? Quote
User Posted May 19, 2024 Report Posted May 19, 2024 I like this pardon, but a few facts you got wrong. The protestor had an AK-47 knockoff but never pointed it at Perry. Even Perry admits to this when interviewed by police. That doesn't mean he didn't have reason to fear for his life, as he did say Foster was raising the weapon towards him. You don't have to wait for it to be pointed at you to feel your life is threatened. Quote
gatomontes99 Posted May 19, 2024 Report Posted May 19, 2024 1 hour ago, User said: I like this pardon, but a few facts you got wrong. The protestor had an AK-47 knockoff but never pointed it at Perry. Even Perry admits to this when interviewed by police. That doesn't mean he didn't have reason to fear for his life, as he did say Foster was raising the weapon towards him. You don't have to wait for it to be pointed at you to feel your life is threatened. This was a travesty of justice and the Texas system worked flawlessly to overturn it. I doubt NY or CA would have corrected an injustice like this. They'd rather have the political persecution than the law obeyed. Quote The Rules for Liberal tactics: If they can't refute the content, attack the source. If they can't refute the content, attack the poster. If 1 and 2 fail, pretend it never happened. Everyone you disagree with is Hitler. A word is defined by the emotion it elicits and not the actual definition. If they are wrong, blame the opponent. If a liberal policy didn't work, it's a conservatives fault and vice versa. If all else fails, just be angry.
reason10 Posted May 20, 2024 Author Report Posted May 20, 2024 7 hours ago, gatomontes99 said: This was a travesty of justice and the Texas system worked flawlessly to overturn it. I doubt NY or CA would have corrected an injustice like this. They'd rather have the political persecution than the law obeyed. It was a stupid Austin jury who found that veteran guilty. He broke no law at all. Governor Abbott once again proves that Texas is smarter than any blue state. Quote
impartialobserver Posted May 20, 2024 Report Posted May 20, 2024 This should be a legal matter not one of race or politics. Quote
Aristides Posted May 23, 2024 Report Posted May 23, 2024 (edited) An allegedly civilized country awash with guns and people shooting each other. What a f*cking disgrace. Edited May 23, 2024 by Aristides Quote
User Posted May 23, 2024 Report Posted May 23, 2024 4 hours ago, Aristides said: An allegedly civilized country awash with guns and people shooting each other. What a f*cking disgrace. Pro-Tip: Don't support protestors blocking people illegally and threatening them with guns... There is nothing disgraceful about gun ownership or our 2nd Amendment. Quote
reason10 Posted May 23, 2024 Author Report Posted May 23, 2024 9 hours ago, Aristides said: An allegedly civilized country awash with guns and people shooting each other. What a f*cking disgrace. No one told those terrorist BLM animals to carry COMBAT WEAPONS at a protest and point them at innocent bystanders. All Perry did was LEGALLY defend himself and take out the trash. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted May 23, 2024 Report Posted May 23, 2024 4 minutes ago, reason10 said: ... and take out the trash. This is an example of the normalization of political violence, ie changing social attitudes diminishing the seriousness of it. 1 Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
User Posted May 23, 2024 Report Posted May 23, 2024 3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: This is an example of the normalization of political violence, ie changing social attitudes diminishing the seriousness of it. If the left is going to normalize breaking the law by blocking people's movement and then normalize the injustice of not pressing charges or holding those doing so accountable... you don't get to be upset when the right normalizes taking matters into their own hands. It is serious. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted May 23, 2024 Report Posted May 23, 2024 43 minutes ago, User said: 1. .. you don't get to be upset when the right normalizes taking matters into their own hands. 2. It is serious. 1. Yes, you do. 2. That's what I said. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
User Posted May 23, 2024 Report Posted May 23, 2024 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: 1. Yes, you do. 2. That's what I said. Do you support these protestors blocking traffic in the streets? Do you support the local DA's not pressing charges? Do you support the police treating them with kid gloves, spending hours trying to negotiate with them before finally arresting them only after they caused people to be blocked from traveling for hours on end? If the police don't just outright ignore them, do you support that? Edited May 23, 2024 by User Quote
Aristides Posted May 23, 2024 Report Posted May 23, 2024 (edited) 9 hours ago, User said: Pro-Tip: Don't support protestors blocking people illegally and threatening them with guns... There is nothing disgraceful about gun ownership or our 2nd Amendment. In 2021 almost 49,000 Americans died gun related deaths, compared to just over 32,000 from motor vehicles. That would be a disgrace in any civilized country. Edited May 23, 2024 by Aristides Quote
Michael Hardner Posted May 23, 2024 Report Posted May 23, 2024 6 minutes ago, User said: 1. Do you support these protestors blocking traffic in the streets? Do you support the local DA's not pressing charges? Do you support the police treating them with kid gloves, spending hours trying to negotiate with them before finally arresting them only after they caused people to be blocked from traveling for hours on end? If the police don't just outright ignore them, do you support that? 1. I support the right to protest, yes. All of this happened with a right-wing populist protest in Ottawa and we accepted that. If someone had been killed, I would be horrified and moved by that. I would NEVER say "they took out the trash". If you don't want to retract your statement, that's fine. But I don't see what there is to discuss here. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
User Posted May 23, 2024 Report Posted May 23, 2024 1 minute ago, Aristides said: In 2021 most 49,000 Americans died gun related deaths, compared to just over 32,000 from motor vehicles. That would be a disgrace in any civilized country. About 2/3 of those deaths are suicides. It is a disgrace, but suicide is not unique to America. And killing yourself with drugs, rope, or exhaust is still dead. The US has a violence problem, across the board. Guns or no guns. We have higher rates of violent crimes. Guns do not cause this, we have some underlying cultural issues that are. All in all, our rates of violence are highest or higher as compared to our other western nations, but we are talking about the differences like 1 murder per 100K in European countries vs 5 in the US. Bad... but not 20 per 100K kind of "disgraceful" bad. Quote
Aristides Posted May 23, 2024 Report Posted May 23, 2024 4 minutes ago, User said: About 2/3 of those deaths are suicides. It is a disgrace, but suicide is not unique to America. And killing yourself with drugs, rope, or exhaust is still dead. The US has a violence problem, across the board. Guns or no guns. We have higher rates of violent crimes. Guns do not cause this, we have some underlying cultural issues that are. All in all, our rates of violence are highest or higher as compared to our other western nations, but we are talking about the differences like 1 murder per 100K in European countries vs 5 in the US. Bad... but not 20 per 100K kind of "disgraceful" bad. Exactly, your intentional homicide rate is 5 times that of European countries and almost 3 times Canada. Quote
User Posted May 23, 2024 Report Posted May 23, 2024 17 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: 1. I support the right to protest, yes. All of this happened with a right-wing populist protest in Ottawa and we accepted that. If someone had been killed, I would be horrified and moved by that. I would NEVER say "they took out the trash". If you don't want to retract your statement, that's fine. But I don't see what there is to discuss here. You are playing games now, purposefully avoiding my questions. I did not ask you if you merely support the right to protest. "they took out the trash" was not my statement to retract, but to the point of the sentiment behind it, if you are going to support "protests" that break the law and interfere with peoples ability to travel, that IS trash, and don't be shocked when people take matters into their own hands to take out that trash in their way. In regards to this incident, one of those "protestors" was openly carrying an AK-47 and approached the driver of a vehicle they were illegally blocking on the street in a threatening manner. The driver took that as a threat to his life and acted in self-defense. My point here is that if you are going to engage in illegal activity, you shouldn't be armed in the process or act in a threatening manner to others. They may perceive you to be a threat.... this is a tragic incident easily avoided in the future by not breaking the law or being armed and acting in a threatening manner to others while doing so. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted May 23, 2024 Report Posted May 23, 2024 1 minute ago, User said: 1. You are playing games now, purposefully avoiding my questions. I did not ask you if you merely support the right to protest. 2. "they took out the trash" was not my statement to retract... 1. All of the things you referenced are part of the right to process, I think. So I answered once, ie. yes to all of your questions. 2. So it is. You jumped in on a comment I made to Reason10. Mea culpa. I have nothing to say about the incident, however I feel like armchair fascists usually express glee at the death of those with different opinions. This isn't your POV, but part of the OP. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
User Posted May 23, 2024 Report Posted May 23, 2024 18 minutes ago, Aristides said: Exactly, your intentional homicide rate is 5 times that of European countries and almost 3 times Canada. Which happens with or without guns. Not sure I would say that difference somehow makes the amount of murder happening here a disgrace while those that happen in Europe and Canada A OK. Quote
User Posted May 23, 2024 Report Posted May 23, 2024 7 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: 1. All of the things you referenced are part of the right to process, I think. If you are going to push breaking the law as a "right" to "protest" that also interferes with others... then others are going to push breaking the law to remove those "protestors" on their own. Or... we could support a polite society where we all respect the law and the equal enforcement of laws. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted May 23, 2024 Report Posted May 23, 2024 8 minutes ago, User said: 1. If you are going to push breaking the law as a "right" to "protest" that also interferes with others... then others are going to push breaking the law to remove those "protestors" on their own. 2. Or... we could support a polite society where we all respect the law and the equal enforcement of laws. 1. I don't see why. There wasn't any significant instance of that happening in Ottawa. In fact, Canadians generally sympathized with the protests while also disagreeing with them. 2. I like that idea but it doesn't happen easily. You'd have to address the concerns of many subgroups. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Aristides Posted May 23, 2024 Report Posted May 23, 2024 33 minutes ago, User said: Which happens with or without guns. Not sure I would say that difference somehow makes the amount of murder happening here a disgrace while those that happen in Europe and Canada A OK. Except it doesn’t of course. Most firearms homicides in Canada are with guns illegally smuggled from the US so your obsession with guns impacts us as well. Quote
User Posted May 23, 2024 Report Posted May 23, 2024 40 minutes ago, Aristides said: Except it doesn’t of course. Most firearms homicides in Canada are with guns illegally smuggled from the US so your obsession with guns impacts us as well. Except, it does. Do you think violence in the history of humanity started with the invention of firearms and the proliferation of them? No. Quote
Aristides Posted May 23, 2024 Report Posted May 23, 2024 48 minutes ago, User said: Except, it does. Do you think violence in the history of humanity started with the invention of firearms and the proliferation of them? No. Firearms make killing much easier and cleaner. No need to get all that nasty blood on your nice clothes. Mexico is suing US gun companies for dumping prohibited weapons in their country. Quote
User Posted May 23, 2024 Report Posted May 23, 2024 20 minutes ago, Aristides said: Firearms make killing much easier and cleaner. No need to get all that nasty blood on your nice clothes. Mexico is suing US gun companies for dumping prohibited weapons in their country. A big truck driving through a crowded area makes killing much easier and cleaner. You can ride safely inside in the air conditioning and never get any blood on you either. I am aware of the stupid lawsuit by Mexico. It is absurd. Its the same dumb arguments liberals try to push here to go after gun companies because we have the 2nd Amendment and they can't beat that. Quote
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