Presidential Debates On?

[WestCanMan]

8 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

"must be cnn staff as moderator' is a little more concerning.  But whatever. 

It's a joke is what it is.

1. CNN already got caught giving debate questions to Hillary Clinton (Donna Brazille was the fall guy who took the blame, but make no mistake - she worked for CNN and she had the questions well enough in advance to give them out so...), they're the last network that should ever host a presidential debate.
2. Obviously this means that Joe can interrupt any time he wants, and his comments will be welcomed, and Trump will be firmly rebuked if he interrupts Joe. 
3. This also means that Dem-friendly topics like global warming and abortion will be put front and center and topics like wars, the border, Biden's lucrative business with China, etc will be off the table. 

 

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Here's my 'conspiracy theory' of the day -  they chose june (2 months before joe will be officially the candidate) to test drive how joe handles it.  If he falls flat on his face and they think he just physically isn't up to the campaign or the public reaction is poor, they will pull a last minute switcheroo at the convention. 

I guess we should all be hoping for Joe to not fall apart on that day. 

[Nationalist]

2 minutes ago, Hodad said:

He's charged with 34 counts of falsifying business records in the first degree. Why don't you know this prior to commenting on the case? Is it because it doesn't really matter what he's accused of, because Trump shouldn't be accountable to the law, so why bother to learn the facts? 

You're welcome to read the indictment for yourself.

IMO, this is by far the least compelling case against Trump, but it doesn't mean it's without merit. 

 

Ahhh...OK I get it. As a typical Libbie, you like to count your chickens before they hatch.

OK genius...see ya at the finish line...where you'll be expected to do the honourable thing and admit your mistake.

Or at least...I'll remind you of it.

[Hodad]

53 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

An actual crime is making millions of dollars in league with China while you're supposed to be the VPOTUS. 

Banging a porn-star is no big deal to grown men. We get far more upset about what Joe Biden does to children. 

 

Edit: I guess I should clarify that I mean "adult porn-star".  The leftist version of porn-star won't be the same as mine.  

Indeed, that may be a crime. Perhaps if anyone could find evidence to support that unsupported allegation they could bring charges...

And I agree, since you think that bathing children is titillating your idea of pron would be very different from most "leftists."

[Hodad]

9 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Ahhh...OK I get it. As a typical Libbie, you like to count your chickens before they hatch.

OK genius...see ya at the finish line...where you'll be expected to do the honourable thing and admit your mistake.

Or at least...I'll remind you of it.

Oh, so you believe in quantum justice and "Schroedinger's indictment." And OJ is innocent. 🙄

Look, there's no question they falsified the record to hide the payments to Daniels. Trump signed the personal checks to reimburse Cohen. It's not a quantum proposition. What happened happened. The questions are whether a jury will be convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that Trump knew (of course he did) and whether a jury will vote to hold him accountable.  

As before, if you can't do the time, don't do the crime. -- If you don't want to defend yourself in court against falsifying business records, keep your books on the level.

You don't just want him to be acquitted. You literally think that he shouldn't even have to stand trial--that he should be above the legal system altogether.

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[Nationalist]

6 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Oh, so you believe in quantum justice and "Schroedinger's indictment." And OJ is innocent. 🙄

Look, there's no question they falsified the record to hide the payments to Daniels. Trump signed the personal checks to reimburse Cohen. It's not a quantum proposition. What happened happened. The questions are whether a jury will be convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that Trump knew (of course he did) and whether a jury will vote to hold him accountable.  

As before, if you can't do the time, don't do the crime. -- If you don't want to defend yourself in court against falsifying business records, keep your books on the level.

You don't just want him to be acquitted. You literally think that he shouldn't even have to stand trial--that he should be above the legal system altogether.

What I believe...is that Brandon has forced this abortion of an indictment for show and to keep Trump from campaigning. I also believe this is gonna fail miserably because the judge has fudged the trial and the charges are unprovable.

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[WestCanMan]

56 minutes ago, Hodad said:

He's charged with 34 counts of falsifying business records in the first degree. Why don't you know this prior to commenting on the case? Is it because it doesn't really matter what he's accused of, because Trump shouldn't be accountable to the law, so why bother to learn the facts? 

You're welcome to read the indictment for yourself.

IMO, this is by far the least compelling case against Trump, but it doesn't mean it's without merit. 

 

From what I've read, the statute of limitations on misdemeanours in NY is 2 yrs and for felonies it's 5 years, except for extremely serious crimes like murder and rape.

The last payment was in 2016, so it's well beyond the NY State statute of limitations. 

From what I've heard there's still a possibility for a federal case, but the NY State court can't handle that one.

I haven't followed this closely because it's just another witch hunt, but that's what I've heard. 

[Hodad]

46 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

From what I've read, the statute of limitations on misdemeanours in NY is 2 yrs and for felonies it's 5 years, except for extremely serious crimes like murder and rape.

The last payment was in 2016, so it's well beyond the NY State statute of limitations. 

From what I've heard there's still a possibility for a federal case, but the NY State court can't handle that one.

I haven't followed this closely because it's just another witch hunt, but that's what I've heard. 

Trump's attorneys did try to have the case dismissed based on the statute of limitations, but that effort failed. So that ship has sailed. This is a real trial and playing for keeps.

As I said, it's not, in my view, a great case. The others are much better--strong to airtight.  I don't actually think this one will end with Trump in an orange jumpsuit. But a guy can dream. Even if the jury finds him guilty, I expect probation. This poor judge is in an impossible position. He's trying hard not to put Trump in jail or Trump would be there already for the MANY violations of the gag order. 

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

What I believe...is that Brandon has forced this abortion of an indictment for show and to keep Trump from campaigning. I also believe this is gonna fail miserably because the judge has fudged the trial and the charges are unprovable.

Again, Biden doesn't have any power over prosecutions in Manhattan. And, frankly, I'd be willing to bet that Biden wishes this case weren't happening. It's by far the worst of any of the indictments. If Biden were steering the ship, Trump would be in court for the airtight indictments like the documents.  

[Fluffypants]

8 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Again, Biden doesn't have any power over prosecutions in Manhattan. And, frankly, I'd be willing to bet that Biden wishes this case weren't happening. It's by far the worst of any of the indictments. If Biden were steering the ship, Trump would be in court for the airtight indictments like the documents.  

I am sure Biden had nothing to do with it.

Alvin Bragg didn't want to bring this charge until the Biden DoJ's number 3 joined the as an ADA taking a significant demotion and shocker of shocker the first case he gets to ajudicate is the Trump trial.

Also Bragg and Fanis boyfriend both visited with White House Council, why would they meet with essentially Biden's attorneys?

Yeah Biden had absolutely nothing to do with it.

 

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Hodad said:

He's charged with 34 counts of falsifying business records in the first degree.

 

Sooooo - not convicted of any crime then. Never actually been convicted. 

So ... no crime so far.  Maybe someday 

While i appreciate your cosplay of Minority Report character John Anderton of the Pre-crime bureau, current legal practice does require a conviction before someone can be said to have committed a crime. 

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Why don't you know this prior to commenting on the case?

I was literally just thinking the same thing  

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, Hodad said:

Again, Biden doesn't have any power over prosecutions in Manhattan. And, frankly, I'd be willing to bet that Biden wishes this case weren't happening. It's by far the worst of any of the indictments. If Biden were steering the ship, Trump would be in court for the airtight indictments like the documents.  

Ya...sure...