August1991 Posted April 14 Report Share Posted April 14 Bush Jnr was in Florida, and then boarded Air Force One to fly to Nebraska. ====== In similar circumstances, what would other world leaders have done? IMHO, Churchill, de Gaulle, Thatcher and Trudeau Snr would immediately insisted to return to the capital. Putin? No doubt in my mind. He would not have flown to Novosibirisk. Stalin was afraid to fly but he stayed in Moscow. Hitler died in Berlin. I suspect that Biden, like Bush Jnr, would follow the advice of his handlers - flee. Trump? Crazy like a fox, huge ego, he'd insist on returning to Washington. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robosmith Posted April 14 Report Share Posted April 14 13 minutes ago, August1991 said: Bush Jnr was in Florida, and then boarded Air Force One to fly to Nebraska. ====== In similar circumstances, what would other world leaders have done? IMHO, Churchill, de Gaulle, Thatcher and Trudeau Snr would immediately insisted to return to the capital. Putin? No doubt in my mind. He would not have flown to Novosibirisk. Stalin was afraid to fly but he stayed in Moscow. Hitler died in Berlin. I suspect that Biden, like Bush Jnr, would follow the advice of his handlers - flee. Trump? Crazy like a fox, huge ego, he'd insist on returning to Washington. Trump supposedly demanded to be taken to the Capitol building on Jan 6th but meekly acquiesced to his "handlers" insisting it wasn't safe and was taken to the WH instead. If he'd really have wanted to go to the Capitol, he could have gotten out and WALKED. j/k Trump never walks ANYWHERE. LMAO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted April 14 Author Report Share Posted April 14 1 minute ago, robosmith said: Trump supposedly demanded.... Bush Jnr flew to Nebraska. Trudeau Snr stayed in 1968. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robosmith Posted April 14 Report Share Posted April 14 9 hours ago, August1991 said: Bush Jnr flew to Nebraska. Trudeau Snr stayed in 1968. Do you not know that AF1 has complete virtual presence? AKA, the physical location of the POTUS is irrelevant wrt planning and communication. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted April 16 Author Report Share Posted April 16 On 4/14/2024 at 12:10 PM, robosmith said: Do you not know that AF1 has complete virtual presence? AKA, the physical location of the POTUS is irrelevant wrt planning and communication. Cool! Je ne savais pas, robosmith. C'est quoi, "planning and communication". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebound Posted April 16 Report Share Posted April 16 On 4/14/2024 at 2:15 AM, August1991 said: Bush Jnr was in Florida, and then boarded Air Force One to fly to Nebraska. ====== In similar circumstances, what would other world leaders have done? IMHO, Churchill, de Gaulle, Thatcher and Trudeau Snr would immediately insisted to return to the capital. Putin? No doubt in my mind. He would not have flown to Novosibirisk. Stalin was afraid to fly but he stayed in Moscow. Hitler died in Berlin. I suspect that Biden, like Bush Jnr, would follow the advice of his handlers - flee. Trump? Crazy like a fox, huge ego, he'd insist on returning to Washington. But Bush showed up at Ground Zero a day later. He did ok until he let Cheney politicize it. IMO, it was a terrible mistake for him as a leader, because he had strong bipartisan support and had the chance to be a beloved leader. Then he got us roped into Iraq and the rest of the story is awful. Too bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted April 17 Author Report Share Posted April 17 On 4/16/2024 at 4:35 PM, Rebound said: But Bush showed up at Ground Zero a day later. He did ok until he let Cheney politicize it. IMO, it was a terrible mistake for him as a leader, because he had strong bipartisan support and had the chance to be a beloved leader. Then he got us roped into Iraq and the rest of the story is awful. Too bad. Showed up? Strong bipartisan support? ==== After the collapse of the Berlin Wall, at the first test, your President ran away. You Americans rely on technology to win - as if you own it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robosmith Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 16 minutes ago, August1991 said: Showed up? Strong bipartisan support? He had 90% approval ratings. 16 minutes ago, August1991 said: ==== After the collapse of the Berlin Wall, at the first test, your President ran away. Where did Bush run to? I don't remember that being any kind of crisis. 16 minutes ago, August1991 said: You Americans rely on technology to win - as if you own it. We DO OWN IT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatomontes99 Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 On 4/14/2024 at 1:15 AM, August1991 said: Bush Jnr was in Florida, and then boarded Air Force One to fly to Nebraska. ====== In similar circumstances, what would other world leaders have done? IMHO, Churchill, de Gaulle, Thatcher and Trudeau Snr would immediately insisted to return to the capital. Putin? No doubt in my mind. He would not have flown to Novosibirisk. Stalin was afraid to fly but he stayed in Moscow. Hitler died in Berlin. I suspect that Biden, like Bush Jnr, would follow the advice of his handlers - flee. Trump? Crazy like a fox, huge ego, he'd insist on returning to Washington. Are you trying to say something here? Getting POTUS to a secure location was important. Are the optics like a scene from a John Wayne movie? No. But it wasn't the wrong move for a tacticle perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted April 17 Author Report Share Posted April 17 6 minutes ago, robosmith said: He had 90% approval ratings. Robosmith, you make my point. Irony. ====== For Americans, you have invented a system (AI) to verify what you believe is true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robosmith Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 41 minutes ago, August1991 said: Showed up? Strong bipartisan support? Bush Jr having 90% approval ratings PROVES "Strong bipartisan support." Was that YOUR point? 41 minutes ago, August1991 said: ==== After the collapse of the Berlin Wall, at the first test, your President ran away. You believe he RAN to Nebraska? Berlin Wall came down under Bush Sr. Bush Jr's 9/11 wasn't "the first test" after the Berlin Wall coming down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted April 18 Author Report Share Posted April 18 4 hours ago, gatomontes99 said: Are you trying to say something here? Getting POTUS to a secure location was important. ... Why is POTUS important? Trudeau Snr visiblly ignored his handlers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatomontes99 Posted April 18 Report Share Posted April 18 33 minutes ago, August1991 said: Why is POTUS important? Trudeau Snr visiblly ignored his handlers. Are you seriously asking why the elected leader of the United States is important? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted May 1 Author Report Share Posted May 1 On 4/17/2024 at 10:38 PM, gatomontes99 said: Are you seriously asking why the elected leader of the United States is important? Trudeau Snr - like Churchill in the 1940s - understood that they were a symbol of the State. On 11 September 2001, your President US George Bush Jnr did not return to Washington - he flew away. ==== IMHO, since 1991 or so, and I admire your Constiitution, you Americans have been screwing things up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted May 1 Report Share Posted May 1 On 4/14/2024 at 1:15 AM, August1991 said: Bush Jnr was in Florida, and then boarded Air Force One to fly to Nebraska. ====== In similar circumstances, what would other world leaders have done? IMHO, Churchill, de Gaulle, Thatcher and Trudeau Snr would immediately insisted to return to the capital. Putin? No doubt in my mind. He would not have flown to Novosibirisk. Stalin was afraid to fly but he stayed in Moscow. Hitler died in Berlin. I suspect that Biden, like Bush Jnr, would follow the advice of his handlers - flee. Trump? Crazy like a fox, huge ego, he'd insist on returning to Washington. You want to rehash where Bush was going on 9/11? Maybe take 5 minutes to do some googling next time. Bush was returning to the Capitol at first, but the attacks were still underway. Flight 93 still went down after they left Florida. Intelligence said there were still threats in WDC, so they went to LA to quickly address the nation and then to Nebraska because USSTRATCOM was based there and served as an ideal place to continue to operate from seeing as we still had no idea how many more attacks were to come or underway. He was there for maybe a few hours and then returned to WDC by late afternoon to address the nation that evening from the White House. 10 hours ago, August1991 said: Trudeau Snr - like Churchill in the 1940s - understood that they were a symbol of the State. On 11 September 2001, your President US George Bush Jnr did not return to Washington - he flew away. ==== IMHO, since 1991 or so, and I admire your Constiitution, you Americans have been screwing things up. He was in the Whitehouse that evening to address the nation. Go invent something else to pretend to be outraged over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted May 2 Author Report Share Posted May 2 On 5/1/2024 at 1:04 PM, User said: .... Bush was returning to the Capitol at first, but the attacks were still underway. Flight 93 still went down after they left Florida. Intelligence said there were still threats in WDC, so they went to LA to quickly address the nation and then to Nebraska because USSTRATCOM .... Intelligence? WDC? Gimme a break. Churchill would never have done that. In the midst of a war, Roosevelt - no use of his legs (plane crash, he's dead) - flew from Malta to Yalta, Cairo to Tehran. Stalin? He took the train to Potsdam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted May 3 Report Share Posted May 3 14 hours ago, August1991 said: Intelligence? WDC? Gimme a break. Churchill would never have done that. In the midst of a war, Roosevelt - no use of his legs (plane crash, he's dead) - flew from Malta to Yalta, Cairo to Tehran. Stalin? He took the train to Potsdam. I can't help you anymore. I gave you the facts. I gave you some advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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