Why God permit the evil? Answer:

[User]

1 hour ago, French Patriot said:

If you are not sinning, you are not doing what is necessary to your survival.

This statement is so wildly absurd I don't even know where to begin. 

You can live your life and surive without sinning. 

[French Patriot]

23 hours ago, Yakuda said:

Where does the bible say that?

Try your search engine and if you cannot find it, I will be happy to give.

But before that, what makes you think someone else created evil, and who was it?

Do you think the creator of evil would not have taken pleasure in creating it?

 

[French Patriot]

22 hours ago, User said:

This statement is so wildly absurd I don't even know where to begin. 

You can live your life and surive without sinning. 

Then why do you have a sin nature that you use frequently?

Even here. Your sin nature wants to win debates and make fools of your interlocutor.

That is what prompted your stupid and inaccurate statement.

I am trying to put a simple explanation together but it is hard to make the less astute see it.

See if you get it. 

 

 

[French Patriot]

22 hours ago, User said:

This statement is so wildly absurd I don't even know where to begin. 

You can live your life and surive without sinning. 

Really.

Not me.

Who do you know that has never sinned?

[Yakuda]

25 minutes ago, French Patriot said:

Try your search engine and if you cannot find it, I will be happy to give.

But before that, what makes you think someone else created evil, and who was it?

Do you think the creator of evil would not have taken pleasure in creating it?

 

No im not your mother so I won't do your work for you like she apparently did.  You made a claim now you back it up. It's either stupidity or laziness that prevents you from doing so. I'll let you decide which it is. 

Edited September 20, 2024 by Yakuda

[User]

3 minutes ago, French Patriot said:

Really.

Not me.

Who do you know that has never sinned?

You are conflating not being perfect with your call to have to sin to survive. 

Stumbling on your journey doesn't mean you have to stumble to journey somewhere. 

[User]

7 minutes ago, French Patriot said:

Then why do you have a sin nature that you use frequently?

People sin for any number of reasons, but as I pointed out in my other response, your comment here was that it was necessary, not that humanity can't avoid it because they are not perfect. 

There is a huge difference between those two positions. 

 

[French Patriot]

9 minutes ago, User said:

People sin for any number of reasons, but as I pointed out in my other response, your comment here was that it was necessary, not that humanity can't avoid it because they are not perfect. 

There is a huge difference between those two positions. 

 

 

[French Patriot]

13 minutes ago, User said:

You are conflating not being perfect with your call to have to sin to survive. 

Stumbling on your journey doesn't mean you have to stumble to journey somewhere. 

Our sin nature is part of our perfection.

Try to understand the ongoing evolving perfection of reality. 

Let me speak to the lie of Gnostic Christians hating matter.

I wrote this to refute the false notion that Gnostic Christians do not like matter and reality that the inquisitors propagated to justify their many murders of my religion’s originators.

The Gnostic Christian reality.

Gnostic Christian Jesus said,  "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all.

[And after they have reigned they will rest.]"

 "If those who attract you say, 'See, the Kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you.

 If they say to you, 'It is under the earth,' then the fish of the sea will precede you.

 Rather, the Kingdom of God is inside of you, and it is outside of you.

 [Those who] become acquainted with [themselves] will find it; [and when you] become acquainted with yourselves, [you will understand that] it is you who are the sons of the living Father.

 But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."

 As you can see from that quote, if we see God's kingdom all around us and inside of us, we cannot think that the world is anything but evolving perfection. Most just don't see it and live in poverty. Let me try to make you see the world the way I do.

 Here is a mind exercise. Tell me what you see when you look around. The best that can possibly be, given our past history, or an ugly and imperfect world?

 Candide.

"It is demonstrable that things cannot be otherwise than as they are; for as all things have been created for some end, they must necessarily be created for the best end.”

[User]

5 minutes ago, French Patriot said:

 

Your constantly quoting yourself doesn't contribute anything to this discussion or your assertion about sin. 

 

[User]

3 minutes ago, French Patriot said:

Our sin nature is part of our perfection.

This is a contradiction. 

You are not perfect if you sin...

4 minutes ago, French Patriot said:

Try to understand the ongoing evolving perfection of reality. 

This is a gobbledygook.

Reality is reality, there is no evolving of it or a perfection of it. It just is. 

 

[Yakuda]

3 minutes ago, User said:

Your constantly quoting yourself doesn't contribute anything to this discussion or your assertion about sin. 

 

There's a lot of that on this site. 

[French Patriot]

8 hours ago, User said:

It just is. 

Exactly. 

It cannot be better than it is, and that is perfection for our material system.

Here is the old way of looking if you cannot see my humble modern rendering.

Let me speak to the lie of Gnostic Christians hating matter.

I wrote this to refute the false notion that Gnostic Christians do not like matter and reality that the inquisitors propagated to justify their many murders of my religion’s originators.

The Gnostic Christian reality.

Gnostic Christian Jesus said,  "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all.

[And after they have reigned they will rest.]"

 "If those who attract you say, 'See, the Kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you.

 If they say to you, 'It is under the earth,' then the fish of the sea will precede you.

 Rather, the Kingdom of God is inside of you, and it is outside of you.

 [Those who] become acquainted with [themselves] will find it; [and when you] become acquainted with yourselves, [you will understand that] it is you who are the sons of the living Father.

 But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."

 As you can see from that quote, if we see God's kingdom all around us and inside of us, we cannot think that the world is anything but evolving perfection. Most just don't see it and live in poverty. Let me try to make you see the world the way I do.

Here is a mind exercise. Tell me what you see when you look around. The best that can possibly be, given our past history, or an ugly and imperfect world?

 Candide."It is demonstrable that things cannot be otherwise than as they are; for as all things have been created for some end, they must necessarily be created for the best end.”

[French Patriot]

8 hours ago, User said:

Your constantly quoting yourself doesn't contribute anything to this discussion or your assertion about sin. 

 

Not surprised to see you back peddle from what is over your pay grade.

Thanks for recognizing how you are greater than any absentee genocidal priock.

[User]

36 minutes ago, French Patriot said:

Not surprised to see you back peddle from what is over your pay grade.

Thanks for recognizing how you are greater than any absentee genocidal priock.

You might as well go talk to yourself in notepad at this point. 

[French Patriot]

On 9/19/2024 at 12:00 PM, User said:

You can live your life and surive without sinning. 

Your Bible says we are all born with sin natures.

Do you recognize or deny yours?

P.S.

My patience is about gone with you.

If you continue to be bot like and stupid and not show what you can really do, I will put you on ignore. I hate talking to myself and bot like people.

[User]

2 hours ago, French Patriot said:

Your Bible says we are all born with sin natures.

Do you recognize or deny yours?

P.S.

My patience is about gone with you.

If you continue to be bot like and stupid and not show what you can really do, I will put you on ignore. I hate talking to myself and bot like people.

With the way you act on here, you might as well go talk to yourself anyhow. So, oh no, please don't threaten to put me on ignore! Oh no, not that!

It would save a lot of time, I can continue to correct the nonsense you say and not have to worry about getting drug into the nonsense responses you give too. 

As to your question, yes, my position is that humans are prone to sin and none are perfect. 

[French Patriot]

On 9/21/2024 at 7:59 PM, User said:

none are perfect. 

So Yahweh creates defective souls, then blames them and will torture them in hell forever for being defective. 

OK. Kind of an a hole that Yahweh.

[User]

10 minutes ago, French Patriot said:

So Yahweh creates defective souls, then blames them and will torture them in hell forever for being defective. 

OK. Kind of an a hole that Yahweh.

Nope. 

The fact that people have the capacity to choose is not a defection; they also have the capacity to choose life with God. 

It helps if you don't try to distort this stuff purposefully. 

[French Patriot]

On 9/29/2024 at 10:18 AM, User said:

Nope. 

The fact that people have the capacity to choose is not a defection; they also have the capacity to choose life with God. 

It helps if you don't try to distort this stuff purposefully. 

Like you have done in ignoring what your bible says.

 Are non-believers doomed by Divine Design?

Scriptures say that God decides if a person will be a believer or non-believer. Those scriptures are shown in this link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byHYeHN4ZUQ

Those quotes seem to really screw up the free will notion that Christians say God gives us.

The free will that God offers is kind of a joke anyway given the number of people whose free will to live is ignored in the billions of adults, children and babies that God is shown to torture and murder in scriptures.

If the bible and Yahweh are to be believed, and as a non-believer, I, of course, cannot believe it, thanks to God, by God’s design and will against me, then why did God deny me belief or faith?

Even more important to believers, might be to answer the question of; did God make you a believer in things that you can only hope exists and can never confirm?

Are you happy with God ignoring or negating your free will to think as you please?

I have assumed that God’s work of creating both believers and non-believers is working. If that is so, and you believers must think it so, just as I as a non-believer cannot think it is working, --- and Jesus said that those with faith could do all he did and more, --- then there is not even one believer or person of faith that has ever existed.

Either the bible and Christianity is all a lie, or there must be some who can do what Jesus did.

What is your choice of those two options?

Is the bible and Christianity a lie, or is God just not creating any people with faith, --- which would make all Christians who say they have faith, --- liars.

I mean no insult here but someone is definitely lying, if we read what is written and look at reality and listen to Christians.

What do you think is the truth?

Is it just for God to create people doomed to hell even if they wanted to believe?

[User]

35 minutes ago, French Patriot said:

Like you have done in ignoring what your bible says.

What have I ignored?

35 minutes ago, French Patriot said:

Are non-believers doomed by Divine Design?

I just answered this. People are free to make their own choices. 

36 minutes ago, French Patriot said:

Scriptures say that God decides if a person will be a believer or non-believer. Those scriptures are shown in this link.

Quote the scriptures or not, I am not wasting my time with your video. 

37 minutes ago, French Patriot said:

Even more important to believers, might be to answer the question of; did God make you a believer in things that you can only hope exists and can never confirm?

Nope. 

37 minutes ago, French Patriot said:

Are you happy with God ignoring or negating your free will to think as you please?

He isn't doing that. 

38 minutes ago, French Patriot said:

Either the bible and Christianity is all a lie, or there must be some who can do what Jesus did.

What is your choice of those two options?

You have yet to present any argument to back this up. 

38 minutes ago, French Patriot said:

Is it just for God to create people doomed to hell even if they wanted to believe?

Where is this happening? 

[Mathieub]

To promote the right.

[French Patriot]

On 9/29/2024 at 10:18 AM, User said:

choose life with God.

Why would you want to spend your life with a genocidal priock of a God?

[User]

37 minutes ago, French Patriot said:

Why would you want to spend your life with a genocidal priock of a God?

I wouldn't. Good thing God isn't that. 

[French Patriot]

On 10/1/2024 at 10:18 AM, User said:

I wouldn't. Good thing God isn't that. 

Denial without argument.

You are a crappy judge and apologist and must love Hitler and Stalin as they mimic your God.