First scuffle of Harper Government?

[Madman]

Anyone have any details to add about US (And apparently other governments)'s refusal to recognize Canadian claims over Arctic waters?? in addition to what's in the articles.

Harper slaps Wilkins

Another link

Glad to see Harper standing up on that issue.

Apparently journalists didn't bring it up during a press conference today, but Harper made sure he brought the issue to the forefront before leaving.

[shoop]

Tsk, tsk that Stephen Harper toadying to the Liberals already.

Ohhh wait. He stood up to them and put Wilkins in his place. One ... step ... closer ... to ... a ... CPC ... majority.

[Black Dog]

Tsk, tsk that Stephen Harper toadying to the Liberals already.

Ohhh wait. He stood up to them and put Wilkins in his place. One ... step ... closer ... to ... a ... CPC ... majority.

Don't you mean: "That damn Harper and his anti-Americanism blah blah blah..."?

[August1991]

Anyone have any details to add about US (And apparently other governments)'s refusal to recognize Canadian claims over Arctic waters?? in addition to what's in the articles.

Harper slaps Wilkins

Another link

Glad to see Harper standing up on that issue.

Apparently journalists didn't bring it up during a press conference today, but Harper made sure he brought the issue to the forefront before leaving.

I'd call the whole thing a set-up. We knew they would say that and they knew that we knew.

[Vancouver King]

Tsk, tsk that Stephen Harper toadying to the Liberals already.

Ohhh wait. He stood up to them and put Wilkins in his place. One ... step ... closer ... to ... a ... CPC ... majority.

On the reasonable assumption that a breakthrough in Canada's three major cities is a requirement for a majority, this represents a commendable first effort to get the attention of the chattering class. What better way than borrowing a ploy from the Liberal election strategy handbook?

Barbeques at Dick Cheney's ranch will have to wait for a majority term, meanwhile, toadying to the urban East is the order of the day.

[Black Dog]

I'd call the whole thing a set-up. We knew they would say that and they knew that we knew.

Beat me to the punch, you did. I'd go even further and add a "they knew what we'd say in response". All part of a carefully orchestrated effort to show Stephen Harper is not a Yanqui running dog.

VancouverKing:

On the reasonable assumption that a breakthrough in Canada's three major cities is a requirement for a majority, this represents a commendable first effort to get the attention of the chattering class. What better way than borrowing a ploy from the Liberal election strategy handbook?

Barbeques at Dick Cheney's ranch will have to wait for a majority term, meanwhile, toadying to the urban East is the order of the day.

A few things: considering your moniker, I'm surprised I'd have to explain that Vancouver (one of the three major cities without a Con MP) cannot be part of the "urban East" given its, uh, western location.

Second of all, "urban East"?? 80 per cent of Canadians live in urban centres. Urban residents make up the majority of residents in every province from Ontario west (including Saskatchewan and Alberta): really, I don't know what point your trying to make.

Third: Dick Cheney doesn't have a ranch: he has an undisclosed location. And while he might have barbeques there, the menu (babies) is nt one that would endear Harper to Canadian moderates.

[Bryan]

What part of the Arctic waters are we talking about?

Beaufort Sea? Baffin Bay? Arctic Ocean? Within the 200 mile EEZ? The Nole Pole?

[Madman]

Almost got hooked on the bait.

It really does look more like a setup the more I thinks about it.

[Hicksey]

I'd call the whole thing a set-up. We knew they would say that and they knew that we knew.

Beat me to the punch, you did. I'd go even further and add a "they knew what we'd say in response". All part of a carefully orchestrated effort to show Stephen Harper is not a Yanqui running dog.

VancouverKing:

On the reasonable assumption that a breakthrough in Canada's three major cities is a requirement for a majority, this represents a commendable first effort to get the attention of the chattering class. What better way than borrowing a ploy from the Liberal election strategy handbook?

Barbeques at Dick Cheney's ranch will have to wait for a majority term, meanwhile, toadying to the urban East is the order of the day.

A few things: considering your moniker, I'm surprised I'd have to explain that Vancouver (one of the three major cities without a Con MP) cannot be part of the "urban East" given its, uh, western location.

Second of all, "urban East"?? 80 per cent of Canadians live in urban centres. Urban residents make up the majority of residents in every province from Ontario west (including Saskatchewan and Alberta): really, I don't know what point your trying to make.

Third: Dick Cheney doesn't have a ranch: he has an undisclosed location. And while he might have barbeques there, the menu (babies) is nt one that would endear Harper to Canadian moderates.

What a guy. Babies on the menu. Trying to decry us as insensitive and social neaderthals, and making comments like that.

Looks like hypocracy is on the menu too.

[shoop]

The only way your 80% of all Canadians live in *urban centres* works is if you count the GTA, not just the City of Toronto and the Lower Mainland, not just the City of Vancouver.

Sooo uh no, the Conservatives weren't shout out of either of those areas....

Or do you want to backtrack on the 80% figure?

A few things: considering your moniker, I'm surprised I'd have to explain that Vancouver (one of the three major cities without a Con MP) cannot be part of the "urban East" given its, uh, western location.

Second of all, "urban East"?? 80 per cent of Canadians live in urban centres. Urban residents make up the majority of residents in every province from Ontario west (including Saskatchewan and Alberta): really, I don't know what point your trying to make.

[tml12]

Tsk, tsk that Stephen Harper toadying to the Liberals already.

Ohhh wait. He stood up to them and put Wilkins in his place. One ... step ... closer ... to ... a ... CPC ... majority.

Don't you mean: "That damn Harper and his anti-Americanism blah blah blah..."?

No doubt Harper will foster debate on this issue. If he plays into the anti-American card again to try and gain votes in the GTA I will lose complete respect for him. He will also be seen, like Martin, as a hypocrite because he (like Martin) ran on campaigns to improve relations with the Americans.

[tml12]

You should have asked BlackDog what the left's hero Castro has on the menu...

[shoop]

This seems like shrewd politics.

The Conservative's promised to

Increase the Canadian Forces' capacity to protect Canada's Arctic sovereignty and security.

Why not work towards fulfilling a promise in his platform during his first press conference as PM-designate?

No doubt Harper will foster debate on this issue. If he plays into the anti-American card again to try and gain votes in the GTA I will lose complete respect for him. He will also be seen, like Martin, as a hypocrite because he (like Martin) ran on campaigns to improve relations with the Americans.

[tml12]

This seems like shrewd politics.

The Conservative's promised to

Increase the Canadian Forces' capacity to protect Canada's Arctic sovereignty and security.

Why not work towards fulfilling a promise in his platform during his first press conference as PM-designate?

No doubt Harper will foster debate on this issue. If he plays into the anti-American card again to try and gain votes in the GTA I will lose complete respect for him. He will also be seen, like Martin, as a hypocrite because he (like Martin) ran on campaigns to improve relations with the Americans.

With your best friends, you talk about your problems. Even if you just had a big fight that someone else caused.

The US and UK have been using these waters for years while the Liberals sat by and stuffed envelopes at semi-sketchy Italian restaurants in Montreal.

I am sure Harper will talk to Wilkins. No doubt Wilkins would rather do that.

[Black Dog]

What a guy. Babies on the menu. Trying to decry us as insensitive and social neaderthals, and making comments like that.

Looks like hypocracy is on the menu too.

Satire and you are barely passing aquaintances, hey? "Eating babies" has become a lexiconal way of saying someone is evil. Now, I happen to think Dick Cheney is quite possibly the evilest motherf**ker in North America, which places him high in the rankings worldwide. But i do not actually think he eats babies. But I digress.

The only way your 80% of all Canadians live in *urban centres* works is if you count the GTA, not just the City of Toronto and the Lower Mainland, not just the City of Vancouver.

Sooo uh no, the Conservatives weren't shout out of either of those areas....

Or do you want to backtrack on the 80% figure?

Now why would I want to backtrack on a statistical fact? 80 per cent of Canada's population is concentrated in urban areas. The cities in the Lower Mainland and GTA are considered urban areas, which are defined as "(an area with) a population of at least 1,000 and a density of at least 400 persons per square kilometre, based on the previous census."

[tml12]

What a guy. Babies on the menu. Trying to decry us as insensitive and social neaderthals, and making comments like that.

Looks like hypocracy is on the menu too.

Satire and you are barely passing aquaintances, hey? "Eating babies" has become a lexiconal way of saying someone is evil. Now, I happen to think Dick Cheney is quite possibly the evilest motherf**ker in North America, which places him high in the rankings worldwide. But i do not actually think he eats babies. But I digress.

The only way your 80% of all Canadians live in *urban centres* works is if you count the GTA, not just the City of Toronto and the Lower Mainland, not just the City of Vancouver.

Sooo uh no, the Conservatives weren't shout out of either of those areas....

Or do you want to backtrack on the 80% figure?

Now why would I want to backtrack on a statistical fact? 80 per cent of Canada's population is concentrated in urban areas. The cities in the Lower Mainland and GTA are considered urban areas, which are defined as "(an area with) a population of at least 1,000 and a density of at least 400 persons per square kilometre, based on the previous census."

In that case, then Harper DOES have MPs in urban areas...

I agree Cheney is quite self-centred, wouldn't call him the evilest mf in North America, but quite arrogant.

[I miss Reagan]

Now, I happen to think Dick Cheney is quite possibly the evilest motherf**ker in North America, which places him high in the rankings worldwide. But i do not actually think he eats babies. But I digress.

You are truly losing it BD. Obviously this conservative win has left you even more bitter than you were before.

Now why would I want to backtrack on a statistical fact? 80 per cent of Canada's population is concentrated in urban areas. The cities in the Lower Mainland and GTA are considered urban areas, which are defined as "(an area with) a population of at least 1,000 and a density of at least 400 persons per square kilometre, based on the previous census."

There you go again, trying to win an argument by shifting the debate to some trivial point...

[fellowtraveller]

toadying to the urban East is the order of the day

Arctic sovereignty is about #93 on the priority list of the 'Urban East' in Canada, just ahead of choosing the location of the Lacrosse League All Star game. 7 out of 10 Torontonians could not identify any landmass on a map that was outside their long distance area code. For 9 out of 10, the only map they have ever seen is a TTA routemap.

Really, lets get serious here, this is far removed from any urban dweller suckup campaign.

But Harper has pointedly confounded his critics who see him as a Bushbot, a Bush clone and obedient to Yankee imperialism. And it only took a few minutes on his first day at work. That should be what worries them.

[Black Dog]

In that case, then Harper DOES have MPs in urban areas...

Where did I say otherwise???

You are truly losing it BD. Obviously this conservative win has left you even more bitter than you were before.

Not possible. I acheived my absolute zenith of bitterness ages ago.

There you go again, trying to win an argument by shifting the debate to some trivial point...

I don't think addressing someone who is claiming I said something I did not is "shifting the debate". But then I don't really care what you think anyway.

But Harper has pointedly confounded his critics who see him as a Bushbot, a Bush clone and obedient to Yankee imperialism. And it only took a few minutes on his first day at work. That should be what worries them.

Convenient, that.

[I miss Reagan]

Not possible. I acheived my absolute zenith of bitterness ages ago.

No it's been clouding your judgement. Ever since the CPC made the big jump in the polls you haven't been your rational bitter self I think all that Alberta blue has you seeing nothing but red.

But then I don't really care what you think anyway.

Said Mr. Clinton to Mr. Jennings....

[Madman]

Conservatives have no presence in the GTA.

Atlas of Canada Map of Election Results

[Black Dog]

Ever since the CPC made the big jump in the polls you haven't been your rational bitter self sad.gif I think all that Alberta blue has you seeing nothing but red.

What, you think the Conservative dominance of Alberta come as some sort of shock to me? Player, please. Not to mention the fact I've been at my usual awesomeness alll week...

[cybercoma]

Conservatives have no presence in the GTA.

Atlas of Canada Map of Election Results

Southwestern Ontario looks so confused on that map.

[YankAbroad]

How does Canada defend claims over ocean which is further than 12 miles from its shores?

That would be like the USA claiming the Atlantic ocean all the way up to Bermuda or something.

[BubberMiley]

I don't think they're confused because they elect more than one party. They're just not lemmings.