Have You Listened Lately to What Trump Is Saying? He is becoming frighteningly clear about what he wants.

robosmith · December 17, 2023

On 12/15/2023 at 8:00 AM, ironstone said:

I was of the opinion that mail-in ballots were used much more by the Democrats than the Republicans.

Democrats took a risk to push mail-in voting. It paid off | US elections 2020 | The Guardian

So is it not logical to assume that most of these people admitting to and knowing about others committing fraud would be Democrats?

ONLY if you ASSUME that both groups are equally dishonest. It's pretty clear that MAGA Republicans have no respect for the law, because Trump has told them the law is no longer respected by anyone and they believe EVERYTHING Trump says. ?

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robosmith · December 17, 2023

20 hours ago, Nationalist said:

And sonny.. most people would relish watching it happen.

And by "most people," you mean YOU. Because you believe the fantasies you post here, that you heard on FOS LIES.

After them losing $800M for LYING, rational people would stop believing them.

Just remember, Trump LOST the election because he LOST 60+ court cases where he TRIED to prove FRAUD, and FAILED.

CdnFox · December 17, 2023

27 minutes ago, robosmith said:

ONLY if you ASSUME that both groups are equally dishonest. It's pretty clear that MAGA Republicans have no respect for the law, because Trump has told them the law is no longer respected by anyone and they believe EVERYTHING Trump says. ?

Wow - I haven't seen anyone stretch that much since elastigirl in the "incredibles"

And its pretty obvious democrat supporters are willing to do anything to keep trump out of power. They say as much regularly. So voter fraud is absolutely not a stretch for them.

Caswell Thomas · December 18, 2023

On 12/15/2023 at 8:32 PM, CdnFox said:

Sure they do. That happens all the time. It's often called punishment by process. That's why a lot of the current action is causing people to say the US is like a banana republic.

And 'm sorry but it's demonstrably true. That attempt in new york to claim he committed a felony by compressing a whole bunch of misdemeanors together like making a bar of soap out of leftover little slivers? Never been done before. Only reason the did it was trump.

The civil fraud stuff? When was the last time ANYONE was charged with that with zero complaints from any other participant or source that many years later after the loans had been paid off? never. It's a technical violation with no actual crime. Etc etc etc.

There are only one or two legit serious charges. The rest are witchhunts.

And if he wins, then maybe the dems will be subject to a few witch hunts, and a few fake dossiers and a few investigations looking for the slightest possible technical infraction and we'll see at that point what you have to say about how it's 'not weaponizing the courts' to prosecute people.

Actually quite a few companies who dud business with Trump and his organization over the years are now filing their own charges but it is likely unless they are state agencies and the crimes in notation are ones with specific different findings on different litigation paths that the States Suits against Trump will encompass all if them and extinguish separate remedies and suits except as noted. Nothing is going to be swept under the Old News Carpet , these were criminal acts...tax fraud, insurance fraud, investor fraud, money I laundering of campaign funds and of business funds which cannot be combined, nor can campaign funds be considered part of an independents net worth .

Caswell Thomas · December 18, 2023

On 12/15/2023 at 8:36 PM, CdnFox said:

There is but it's not very likely to be this one.

If he's not in jail by july, then he's not going till after the election and then only if he loses. If he wins that's the end of it. And i just don't see him going to jail by july. Even if they some how managed to get a conviction on a real crime there'd be an appeal. and dragging a trial out 6 lousy months should be 101 for any decent lawyer.

He's already extinguished his appeals in New York and Jack Smith already saw through Trump's " eternal litigation" type defense and jyst asked the U. S. Supreme Court to rule on ALL of Trump's current And FUTURE attempts to claim any kind of immunity, and Smith has rightfully done to Trump just exactly v what Trump had been doing, but much faster...that of forcing the issue directly to the Court Body in Lineum, that is the Court will rule now as though it was forced to wait a year through lots of appeals and instead will rule ONCE . Now, the U. S. Supreme Court is currently composed of a majority of Justices Trump got appointed but...they have not followed in their rulings so far very much.f what Trump has wanted or the ultra Far Fringe Right either. In fact Metric Garland has demonstrated time and again he cares more for the rule of Law not the rules of Scoflaw embodied by Trump. Trump, like his heroes the Nazi's, is on his way right into federal.prison. He can crow all he wants but he knows he won't be flying out of this one in his private plane. In fact, take a good look at his face lately, particularly his eyes. He is running scared, he has brought down his whole organization but in effect plastering its financial crimes on every billboard in America and he knows that even his attorneys can't white wash him in the end. Make it to the Presidency again? Ha, what a laugh! But he will drag it out and collect money from the suckers who follow him, promise them anything, blame everyone but him or his cronies, throw Americans at each mothers throats and laugh all the way to his private bank account from Putin. He thinks that Americas investigators will just ignore that connection but they won't, Putin's hand has been in this since Trump first tried to build a resort in Moscow.

CdnFox · December 18, 2023

2 hours ago, Caswell Thomas said:

Actually quite a few companies who dud business with Trump and his organization over the years are now filing their own charges

But didn't with this one. or about this subject. Which doesn't mean there aren't legit concerns someone out there might bring forward - but this wasn't one of them. This was a witch hunt. Zero victims, much time has passed, and no chance ot defend himself at all regarding the basis for the fine. It would be like me coming up to you and saying "We've already decided you raped a girl without a trial - we'd like to hold a sentancing hearing to decide how much time you'll spend behind bars now. " Not exactly due process. But thats why they didn't bring any criminal charges - they'd go nowhere. SO they rigged up this little scam to tick him off.

And he's bound to remember that and look for payback where he can get it if he wins. THey talked him out of going after hilllary.. there will not likely be any talking to him this time.

Caswell Thomas · December 19, 2023

20 hours ago, CdnFox said:

But didn't with this one. or about this subject. Which doesn't mean there aren't legit concerns someone out there might bring forward - but this wasn't one of them. This was a witch hunt. Zero victims, much time has passed, and no chance ot defend himself at all regarding the basis for the fine. It would be like me coming up to you and saying "We've already decided you raped a girl without a trial - we'd like to hold a sentancing hearing to decide how much time you'll spend behind bars now. " Not exactly due process. But thats why they didn't bring any criminal charges - they'd go nowhere. SO they rigged up this little scam to tick him off.

And he's bound to remember that and look for payback where he can get it if he wins. THey talked him out of going after hilllary.. there will not likely be any talking to him this time.

You see, you think because Trump says he got away with defrauding insurance companies and financial investors in banks he lied to to get better terms even while presenting a great deal more Rusk for those entities if he cheated on his income ...then it's okay? No.....its not. You see Insurance Companies run in what's known as Rusk Assessment and Analysis and they insure companies against losses in business transactions which are intentional frauds because it drives up the costs they assign to other companies to make up those losses and Trumps properties, particularly his many golf resorts, did consistently lose money, so the insurance companies that covered those companies losses took it in Their financial shorts, shelling out billions to cover those losses so Trump could claim he was " uber wealthy" ? No, Trump CHEATED the insurers and they lost a lot of money, money that was due to their investors, not Trump's ass .Trump has had 5 business bankruptcies, because he's a lousy businessman and cheats and lies to insurance companies and banks. So him saying no ONE was hurt, was a huge lie because many others were.

CdnFox · December 19, 2023

4 hours ago, Caswell Thomas said:

You see, you think because Trump says he got away with defrauding insurance companies and financial investors in banks he lied to to get better terms even while presenting a great deal more Rusk for those entities if he cheated on his income ...then it's okay?

I think the problem is he didn't defraud them, and even moreso that THEY don't think he defrauded them. And in fact - the prosecution has never claimed that they were put at more risk in any way. Lets get real - if the banks were actually dependant on those valuations they would have sent an appraiser.

All experts agree on this. This is a 'technical' violation at best. So yeah - he's ok.

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No.....its not.

Sure it is.

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You see Insurance Companies run in what's known as Rusk Assessment and Analysis and they insure companies against losses in business transactions which are intentional frauds because it drives up the costs they assign to other companies

You see - banks don't take other peoples' words for what the property is worth. If they care, they look into it.

But if someone with trumps record says his property is worth, lets say 10 million. And he wants to borrow 1 million and will include the property as part of his net worth - remembering he is NOT securing the loan with it, just stating his net worth, then the bank says "close enough, even if he's wrong a little we can still get our money.

So you're entirely 100 percent wrong.

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No, Trump CHEATED the insurers and they lost a lot of money, money that was due to their investors,

Nope, they didn't lose a dime. ALL loans were paid in full, and nobody has even claimed that the loans didn't have enough collateral. That was never a claim made.

So again you're 100 percent wrong.

This was an utterly victimless civil violation (wasn't even a crime). What you're trying to pretend is that some sort of CRIMINAL fraud occurred. This is a CIVIL fraud case - NOBODY is claiming he actually defrauded or stole anything from anyone, this is a fineable offense not a criminal one. And it's based on technicality, not actual harm.

This is a complete witch hunt were someone in the legal departments dug around LOOKING for something they could charge him with as any sort of technical bylaw violation and they found this so they went after him.

And YOU should think that's horrible as much as I do. It's not ok. And i bet you'll suddenly see the light and have a change of heart if he wins and starts doing this to others

robosmith · December 19, 2023

4 hours ago, Caswell Thomas said:

You see, you think because Trump says he got away with defrauding insurance companies and financial investors in banks he lied to to get better terms even while presenting a great deal more Rusk for those entities if he cheated on his income ...then it's okay? No.....its not. You see Insurance Companies run in what's known as Rusk Assessment and Analysis and they insure companies against losses in business transactions which are intentional frauds because it drives up the costs they assign to other companies to make up those losses and Trumps properties, particularly his many golf resorts, did consistently lose money, so the insurance companies that covered those companies losses took it in Their financial shorts, shelling out billions to cover those losses so Trump could claim he was " uber wealthy" ? No, Trump CHEATED the insurers and they lost a lot of money, money that was due to their investors, not Trump's ass .Trump has had 5 business bankruptcies, because he's a lousy businessman and cheats and lies to insurance companies and banks. So him saying no ONE was hurt, was a huge lie because many others were.

Despite being shown the NYS Law which was violated, CdnLiar continues LYING about there being no crime.

He's STILL pretending his amateur legal eagle OPINION means something in a NYS court. LMAO

I'm now thinking he is a paid Trump shill, though probably not getting much cause he's so bad at it.

CdnFox · December 19, 2023

40 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Despite being shown the NYS Law which was violated, CdnLiar continues LYING about there being no crime.

He's STILL pretending his amateur legal eagle OPINION means something in a NYS court. LMAO

I'm now thinking he is a paid Trump shill, though probably not getting much cause he's so bad at it.

Aww muffin - you still too scared to talk to me huh LOL

Sorry kiddo - it's not a crime, this is not a criminal case.

From CNN - you know how much they love trump...

Though it is not a criminal case, Trump took the allegations in the civil fraud allegations personally,

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/14/politics/takeaways-trump-civil-fraud-trial/index.html

NOT... a criminal case. A CIVIL case. No crime. Sorry.

You know - you're wrong so often that statistically if all i do is just disagree with you i have an 89 percent chance of being right

Caswell Thomas · December 20, 2023

18 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I think the problem is he didn't defraud them, and even moreso that THEY don't think he defrauded them. And in fact - the prosecution has never claimed that they were put at more risk in any way. Lets get real - if the banks were actually dependant on those valuations they would have sent an appraiser.

All experts agree on this. This is a 'technical' violation at best. So yeah - he's ok.

Sure it is.

You see - banks don't take other peoples' words for what the property is worth. If they care, they look into it.

But if someone with trumps record says his property is worth, lets say 10 million. And he wants to borrow 1 million and will include the property as part of his net worth - remembering he is NOT securing the loan with it, just stating his net worth, then the bank says "close enough, even if he's wrong a little we can still get our money.

So you're entirely 100 percent wrong.

Nope, they didn't lose a dime. ALL loans were paid in full, and nobody has even claimed that the loans didn't have enough collateral. That was never a claim made.

So again you're 100 percent wrong.

This was an utterly victimless civil violation (wasn't even a crime). What you're trying to pretend is that some sort of CRIMINAL fraud occurred. This is a CIVIL fraud case - NOBODY is claiming he actually defrauded or stole anything from anyone, this is a fineable offense not a criminal one. And it's based on technicality, not actual harm.

This is a complete witch hunt were someone in the legal departments dug around LOOKING for something they could charge him with as any sort of technical bylaw violation and they found this so they went after him.

And YOU should think that's horrible as much as I do. It's not ok. And i bet you'll suddenly see the light and have a change of heart if he wins and starts doing this to others

I AM sorry, clearly you feel my over 25 years of personal work experience in actuarial insurance and the fact that my family founded and owned four insurance companies makes you more qualified in determining bank is right in this matter! If my family had conducted business this way, Trumps way, we, not Trump would have had the FIVE business Bankruptcies Trump declared when he FAILED by using these methods. His cheating, lying, money laundering, RICO violating, tax law violations not to mention banking law and financial agency laws, his violations of U. S. Treasury and multiple State Agency laws as well in accumulating his "assets" when in fact he did so by entirely unlawful means, we should just sweep under the table? No, he and everyone involved are criminals including whatever bank and lending officials he bribed or threatened to force them to take such a risk on their depositors money . So no harm done? Bull!

Caswell Thomas · December 20, 2023

17 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Aww muffin - you still too scared to talk to me huh LOL

Sorry kiddo - it's not a crime, this is not a criminal case.

From CNN - you know how much they love trump...

Though it is not a criminal case, Trump took the allegations in the civil fraud allegations personally,

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/14/politics/takeaways-trump-civil-fraud-trial/index.html

NOT... a criminal case. A CIVIL case. No crime. Sorry.

You know - you're wrong so often that statistically if all i do is just disagree with you i have an 89 percent chance of being right

You misunderstand U. S. Law, clearly there Were LAWS broken. That's why NYS could issue subpoenas, because there ARE grounds to charge CRIMINAL behavior. You seem to think " criminal crimes" are only federal code violations. That us entirely bogus.

CdnFox · December 20, 2023

7 minutes ago, Caswell Thomas said:

I AM sorry, clearly you feel my over 25 years of personal work experience in actuarial insurance and the fact that my family founded and owned four insurance companies makes you more qualified in determining bank is right in this matter!

I AM sorry your reading skills are so poor. Which bank are you claiming is "right' in this matter? no banks were involved.

My deepest sympathies to the poor saps you took money from - they probably thought you knew how to read.

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If my family had conducted business this way, Trumps way, we, not Trump would have had the FIVE business Bankruptcies Trump declared when he FAILED by using these methods.

He's still a hell of a lot richer than you so if that's your measure, you're still a failure in comparison. Kind of an odd flex.

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His cheating, lying, money laundering, RICO violating, tax law violations not to mention banking law and financial agency laws, his violations of U. S. Treasury and multiple State Agency laws as well in accumulating his "assets" when in fact he did so by entirely unlawful means, we should just sweep under the table?

None of that is what this court case was all about.

Ohhhh - i get it. They coudn't actually charge him with any of that. So... because they couldn't prove he was guilty of any of those offences which YOU "know" he's guilty of without trial or the like, you now feel if they jack up some technicality charges to try to go after him for non crimes to 'punish' him by process.

Yeah - that's pretty much a witch hunt. He did nothing wrong with regards to what this court case is about.

Guess that whole "judicial process' thing wasn't working for you

well fine -but don't complain when trump gets even later.

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No, he and everyone involved are criminals including whatever bank and lending officials he bribed or threatened to force them to take such a risk on their depositors money . So no harm done? Bull!

Dude. Your obsession has made you mentally unstable. You have done 'trumped' yourself re-tarded.

Now on top of it he BRIBED the banks?!!? How - by paying them all their money back with interest?

Listen to yourself. You sound like a foaming lunatic. If he's committed a crime then charge him for the crime, don't pull this crap or fake 'bribes' that nobody's even alleged.

Good god man. Get a grip and some perspective while you're at it. He didn't commit a crime here at all and that has never been claimed, they're fining him for a technicality that nobody but the prosecution cares about.

CdnFox · December 20, 2023

11 minutes ago, Caswell Thomas said:

You misunderstand U. S. Law, clearly there Were LAWS broken.

Not at all - there are no criminal charges here. And you can issue a subpeona for a parking ticket.

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That's why NYS could issue subpoenas, because there ARE grounds to charge CRIMINAL behavior.

Nope - as i said, not how it works. Subpeonas are not only for criminal cases. It says in every single article about this that it's not a criminal case, your weird case of denial is your own problem. No crime - none at all - alleged or committed. Sorry.

Caswell Thomas · December 20, 2023

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

Not at all - there are no criminal charges here. And you can issue a subpeona for a parking ticket.

Nope - as i said, not how it works. Subpeonas are not only for criminal cases. It says in every single article about this that it's not a criminal case, your weird case of denial is your own problem. No crime - none at all - alleged or committed. Sorry.

No, see that's what you do not understand...he DID commit CRIMES . It us being held in an Administrative Court but they also rule on CRIMES, and just because Trump says its not a crime does not make it so! After my time in actuarial insurance I worked in the Fraud Divisions if Insurance Companies, retiring eventually as an Expert Witness in several fields of it in insurance. People I took to Court committed Crimes and were fined heavily and fraud sentences even then were " punishable by fines up to $50,000 and up to 5 years in prison or both. " That amount was for the early 2000's and I have no doubt today that it us much higher. Note..A Criminal Court for those kinds of crimes such as Tax Evasion of FEDERAL taxes, RICO violations, Money Laundering which crosses any state line and goes into any other state is a federal crime and therefore also held under FEDERAL jurisdiction unless the feds feel the State it first occurred in is levying sufficient penalties to prevent it happening again and the State if New York is doing exactly that, they are divesting Trump of EVERY Business he engages in in New York State, seizing all those assets, and throwing the Trump family business entirely.out of the state if New York AND levying very high fines for EACH crime committed and they have a list if 8 such CRIMES. So to say Trump us not a CRIMINAL is WRONG.

Caswell Thomas · December 20, 2023

On 12/17/2023 at 12:06 AM, CdnFox said:

Wow - I haven't seen anyone stretch that much since elastigirl in the "incredibles"

And its pretty obvious democrat supporters are willing to do anything to keep trump out of power. They say as much regularly. So voter fraud is absolutely not a stretch for them.

I see...so, really you aren't a Canadian citizen observing this impartially as you have implied heretofore but just another MAGA shill of Donald Trump..who are you really? Is that you Eric?

CdnFox · December 20, 2023

7 minutes ago, Caswell Thomas said:

No, see that's what you do not understand...he DID commit CRIMES . It us being held in an Administrative Court but they also rule on CRIMES, and just because Trump says its not a crime does not make it so!

Dude. Get a grip. It's not a crime. The judge says so. The laywers say so. The papers say so. There is no crime here at all.

This is a CIVIL - CIVIL fraud case.

What criminal code violation is he being charged with? none!

You are so far out in left field here it's actually starting to genuinely concern me. Take a moment, take a breath, and go look it up.

There's no crime here. At all. There was never any evidence presented about whether he was guilty of anything. The state claims he broke a civil code - not criminal law -and the only thing the court case is to examine is what his penalty should be for this civil violation.

Caswell Thomas · December 23, 2023

On 12/19/2023 at 6:26 PM, CdnFox said:

Dude. Get a grip. It's not a crime. The judge says so. The laywers say so. The papers say so. There is no crime here at all.

This is a CIVIL - CIVIL fraud case.

What criminal code violation is he being charged with? none!

You are so far out in left field here it's actually starting to genuinely concern me. Take a moment, take a breath, and go look it up.

There's no crime here. At all. There was never any evidence presented about whether he was guilty of anything. The state claims he broke a civil code - not criminal law -and the only thing the court case is to examine is what his penalty should be for this civil violation.

Civil fraud ...that's a new one...fraud is a crime. Period. In every jurisdiction in the country, if you defraud someone that involves money and you knew it was fraudulent when you Saud it, its a CRIME.

Just now, Caswell Thomas said:

Civil fraud ...that's a new one...fraud is a crime. Period. In every jurisdiction in the country, if you defraud someone that involves money and you knew it was fraudulent when you Saud it, its a CRIME.

Saud...for some reason kindle cannot spell S A I D!

CdnFox · December 23, 2023

9 minutes ago, Caswell Thomas said:

Civil fraud ...that's a new one...fraud is a crime.

No. It's not. Civil fraud is not new, and it's not a crime. I'm not going to argue with a child - go read and learn. No crime - this is a parking ticket.

Caswell Thomas · December 23, 2023

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

No. It's not. Civil fraud is not new, and it's not a crime. I'm not going to argue with a child - go read and learn. No crime - this is a parking ticket.

Untrue, unless you are used to paying $50,000 parking tickets and/or spending 5 years in jail for it. Look up Law, Fraud, in the Cornell law library online. Any type of intentional fraud involving money is s crime.

CdnFox · December 23, 2023

Just now, Caswell Thomas said:

Untrue, unless you are used to paying $50,000 parking tickets and/or spending 5 years in jail for it. Look up Law, Fraud, in the Cornell law library online. Any type of intentional fraud involving money is s crime.

He can't go to jail. You're insane.

WHAT CONSEQUENCES COULD TRUMP FACE?

Trump does not face any criminal penalties in the civil case but could suffer substantial financial and business consequences.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/whats-stake-civil-fraud-case-against-trump-2023-10-02/

And yes - the fines are stiff in this case, that's why threre's a court case over it. The court case is about the fine, not any criminal issue.

Caswell Thomas · December 28, 2023

On 12/22/2023 at 6:54 PM, CdnFox said:

He can't go to jail. You're insane.

WHAT CONSEQUENCES COULD TRUMP FACE?

Trump does not face any criminal penalties in the civil case but could suffer substantial financial and business consequences.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/whats-stake-civil-fraud-case-against-trump-2023-10-02/

And yes - the fines are stiff in this case, that's why threre's a court case over it. The court case is about the fine, not any criminal issue.

Georgia has the federal crime case. New York has the civil crime case. Regardless of you thinking insurance fraud and tax fraud will not end in felony convictions , too many in prison who also.paid huge restitution, who lost their entire business organization, and their freedom would disagree with you. These kinds of crimes are prosecuted every week. Perpetrators go to jail. Perpetrators lose every cent they have. Perpetrators pay restitution , its a fact. Beyond running for public office, Trump ran, for decades, an organization based on fraud, and in running he exposed too much , stepped on too many, and some of the stepped on are disclosing a lot in how that organization ran, and who else was involved.

CdnFox · December 28, 2023

3 minutes ago, Caswell Thomas said:

Georgia has the federal crime case. New York has the civil crime case.

Not regarding fraud they didn't.

Kid - you blew your credibility so hard on insisting that the new york case was a criminal case that i'm really not interested in any of your made up grade 7 education level responses on this particular subject. Didn't bother reading beyond the first line or so.

Next time learn to read before you insist on something that you clearly know nothing about a dozen times in a row. Making a mistake ONCE is understandable, twice makes you look a little stupid - but when you hit double digits then you've basically made yourself a joke that people have heard too often.

Edited December 28, 2023 by CdnFox

robosmith · December 28, 2023

2 hours ago, Caswell Thomas said:

Georgia has the federal crime case. New York has the civil crime case. Regardless of you thinking insurance fraud and tax fraud will not end in felony convictions , too many in prison who also.paid huge restitution, who lost their entire business organization, and their freedom would disagree with you. These kinds of crimes are prosecuted every week. Perpetrators go to jail. Perpetrators lose every cent they have. Perpetrators pay restitution , its a fact. Beyond running for public office, Trump ran, for decades, an organization based on fraud, and in running he exposed too much , stepped on too many, and some of the stepped on are disclosing a lot in how that organization ran, and who else was involved.

The FACT is, convicting Trump in the civil case could easily lead to a DIFFERENT criminal case. Maybe in another state like NJ.

CdnFox · December 28, 2023

4 hours ago, robosmith said:

The FACT is, convicting Trump in the civil case could easily lead to a DIFFERENT criminal case. Maybe in another state like NJ.

ROTFLMAO!!!! No it could not!!! Not even a little bit

That's like saying a speeding ticket could easily lead to drunk driving charges in another province LOL!!!

You two are certainly always good for a chuckle