The Christmas Holiday is Religious Intolerance

[Guest]

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"Discrimination against religious minorities in Canada is grounded in Canada’s history of colonialism” 

[Michael Hardner]

2 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Here.

"Discrimination against religious minorities in Canada is grounded in Canada’s history of colonialism” 

So the OP has zero to say on the discussion paper... I mean, who can't see a point there.  Paul Magder was famous for fighting for the right to open on the Lord's Day for years...

 

Even the FP article doesn't disagree and calls official holidays a 'glaring exception to Canada’s record on religious tolerance '.

 

Most of the rest of the article just cites the paper...

[Guest]

Would one have a point considering, if offended at one saying Merry Christmas?

Is this disrespectful, somehow?

Or to avoid providing someone say, Hannukah holidays?

Is there any truth to that statement?

Christmas in itself obviously isn't racist. But considering how multicultural that we are, isn't the fact that it's the only thing being pushed onto the masses telling?

[Michael Hardner]

32 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

1. Would one have a point considering, if offended at one saying Merry Christmas?

2. Is this disrespectful, somehow? Or to avoid providing someone say, Hannukah holidays? Is there any truth to that statement?

3. Christmas in itself obviously isn't racist. But considering how multicultural that we are, isn't the fact that it's the only thing being pushed onto the masses telling?

1.  Sentence is hard to understand but the point was made apart from individuals being "offended".  If you're asking if the point would stand if it were only based on people being "offended" I would say not.
2. Some *might be offended but I don't think it's disrespectful or offensive in any way.  Again, that's not the point of the opinion piece.
3. I'm not sure what you are saying is pushed onto the masses.  Christmas ?  I would have to understand specifically what is being "pushed".  The context of the opinion in the discussion piece is individual rights, ie. rights to the same time off as everyone else.  If I'm a practicing Jew (which I am not) then my religious holidays are not automatically mandated by the state so I am unequal in the eyes of the law.  That's the point there.

I disagree with the point because nations don't evolve from nothing, they inherit cultural traditions of the past.  These can be preserved or allowed to deteriorate to a degree but "Christmas" has about as much to do with religion as St. Valentine's Day does lately.  Maybe "Good Friday" would be a good idea to make a floating Holiday to address the concerns in the letter.

Let's call things as they plainly are: religion is dying if not dead and some identitarian academics posing questions is not relevant, except as cannon fodder for the Maxime Berniers of the world who want to get mouth-breathing Chuds angry about the next thing.

BTW what happened to "woke" ?  They're not talking about it anymore !

[Guest]

4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

"pushed"

Marketing. Fact that Christmas is almost literally started to be celebrated right after Halloween. Its a pressure most families face, and why so many deal with having to recover from their Christmas spending every year.

There is a social pressure, akin to buying a woman a diamond ring when you want to make her your wife. Its seen as an investment, even though diamonds are one of the worst things you can invest into.

[Legato]

I blame Coca-Cola.

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, Perspektiv said:

1. Marketing. Fact that Christmas is almost literally started to be celebrated right after Halloween. Its a pressure most families face, and why so many deal with having to recover from their Christmas spending every year.

2 There is a social pressure, akin to buying a woman a diamond ring when you want to make her your wife. Its seen as an investment, even though diamonds are one of the worst things you can invest into.

1. Well I agree that the commerical aspect is both a hindrance to happy family life and an indispensable economic force.

2. I bought my lady a diamond, but I'd love to have the money ?

[Guest]

14 hours ago, Legato said:

I blame Coca-Cola.

If they push Christmas, easter only and omit all others, IE Hannukkah, Ramadan etc. 

How is it not discriminatory? 

[Michael Hardner]

2 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

If they push Christmas, easter only and omit all others, IE Hannukkah, Ramadan etc. 

How is it not discriminatory? 

[TreeBeard]

On 11/25/2023 at 6:52 AM, Perspektiv said:

Would one have a point considering, if offended at one saying Merry Christmas?

Is this disrespectful, somehow?

Or to avoid providing someone say, Hannukah holidays?

Nowhere in the discussion paper does it consider someone saying “Merry Xmas” is discrimination.  You’ve created a straw-man to argue against, rather than arguing against what it actually said. 

 

On 11/25/2023 at 6:52 AM, Perspektiv said:

But considering how multicultural that we are, isn't the fact that it's the only thing being pushed onto the masses telling?

Is there any denying that Xmas is part of our colonial past?  

However, it’s certainly not a religious holiday any longer.  Ask people what they associate Xmas with and it will be presents, Santa, elves, etc.  I bet Baby Jesus is way down the list.  

9 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

If they push Christmas, easter only and omit all others, IE Hannukkah, Ramadan etc. 

How is it not discriminatory? 

Are you talking about Coke being discriminatory?   They’re simply pandering to the cultural holiday for money, regardless of what that holiday is.  If they could make money by selling Coke666 to Satanists, they would.  
 

 

Edited November 26, 2023 by TreeBeard

[Guest]

2 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

They’re simply pandering to the cultural holiday for money

At the expense of other cultures. Wouldn't this be discriminatory?

[TreeBeard]

Just now, Perspektiv said:

At the expense of other cultures. Wouldn't this be discriminatory?

In a legal sense?  Of course not.  Private companies aren’t required to market their product evenly across all demographics.  

[Guest]

10 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

I haven't seen heavy marketing in our neck of the woods for  Ramadan, Hanukkah, etc. Why is this?

1 hour ago, TreeBeard said:

Private companies aren’t required to market their product evenly across all demographics.  

Then why are such companies virtue signaling for one cause, and being hypocritical for another?

[Michael Hardner]

8 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

1. I haven't seen heavy marketing in our neck of the woods for  Ramadan, Hanukkah, etc. Why is this?

1. Advertising is narrowly targeted nowadays.  Unless you live in a heavily Muslim/Jewish neighbourhood I doubt you'd see billboards and the like.

I lived in a mostly Jewish hood for 15 years or so and saw ads for Israel Bonds, UJA etc.  

 

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Advertising is narrowly targeted nowadays

One can't virtue signal about being about helping others, if its cherry picked to the LGBTQ community, and your highest demographic of customers.

Its no longer about marketing, but pushing an agenda.

 

[TreeBeard]

40 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Then why are such companies virtue signaling for one cause, and being hypocritical for another?

Because they think it will make them more money.  Why is this even a question?

[Guest]

17 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Because they think it will make them more money

Its no longer about pushing for money--its pushing an agenda.

[TreeBeard]

27 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Its no longer about pushing for money--its pushing an agenda.

That sounds like a conspiracy. 

[herbie]

Just as most Christian holidays were moved to replace former pagan holidays, the Spectacle of Consumerism has replaced the former Christian holiday of Christmas.

Should you ever encounter someone who is offended by you wishing them a Merry Christmas, do slap their face hard as they're such arseholes they were offended by you saying the contemporary equivalent of "may you have a good day".

So have a Merry Christmas and buy, buy, buy until it hurts.

[Guest]

On 11/26/2023 at 9:50 PM, TreeBeard said:

That sounds like a conspiracy. 

Conspiracy is the new "crazy" of the English language. Easy to dismiss an opinion you don't agree with, if the person is a conspiracy theorist.

Now you no longer have to prove what they said that is conspiracy.

Its lazy.

[Guest]

On 11/26/2023 at 10:46 PM, herbie said:

Should you ever encounter someone who is offended by you wishing them a Merry Christmas

I don't honestly think anyone is genuinely offended by it. 

Its more about the control of speech.

If everything is offensive and say, the government sets the moral parameters, you literally are leaving them to set the levels of "acceptable" speech socially.

Anyone else is shamed and shunned with a collective dunce hat.

[Michael Hardner]

38 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

I don't honestly think anyone is genuinely offended by it. 

Its more about the control of speech.

If everything is offensive and say, the government sets the moral parameters, you literally are leaving them to set the levels of "acceptable" speech socially.

Anyone else is shamed and shunned with a collective dunce hat.

It's not about that, it's about the holiday.

[herbie]

If Non Christians want to associate Christmas with a religion they can look around and associate all the promotions with the Ferengi Rules of Acquisition

[TreeBeard]

On 12/4/2023 at 5:09 AM, Perspektiv said:

Now you no longer have to prove what they said that is conspiracy.

You completely reversed the burden of proof. 
 

If you make the claim that lizard-people control the government, why would it be up to me to prove they don’t?

[Guest]

49 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

You completely reversed the burden of proof. 
 

If you make the claim that lizard-people control the government, why would it be up to me to prove they don’t?

Maybe.