Canadian Judges increasing make governmental decisions

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

he purpose of incarceration is to separate the individual from the opportunity to re-offend until such time as they are rehabilitated. It is not designed to be a tool for punishment. Punishment resides exclusively in the hands of God.

Wow!  You actually believe nobody should be punished for their crimes.  Do you know how nonsensical that sounds?  That must be liberal left ideology.

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As the supreme Lord and the perfect judge, God is the source of all justice. He loves what is good and is the giver of all blessings (Zeph 3:5; Matt 19:17; James 1:17). He also hates what is evil and requires just punishment on the sins that people commit (Ps 94:1-2; Rom 12:19; Heb 10:30).

Order in society

God desires that human society function justly and orderly. Therefore, he has given to human beings the responsibility to administer justice in society and to carry out fitting punishments on wrongdoers (Rom 13:1-4; 1 Peter 2:13-14; see GOVERNMENT). Such punishments must always be just. They must not be relaxed to favour people of power and influence such as the rich; nor must they be imposed rashly to take advantage of defenceless people such as the poor (Exod 23:3,6; cf. Rom 2:11; James 2:6). Always the punishment must be in proportion to the crime (Exod 21:22-25; Deut 25:1-13; Gal 6:7). Where the wrongdoing involves loss or damage, the wrongdoer should compensate the person who suffers the loss or damage (Exod 22:1-6; Luke 19:8). Punishment of wrongdoers should be carried out primarily because they deserve it, not because the ruling authorities want to use them to teach others a lesson (Deut 13:10; 19:19; 25:2; Luke 23:41; Heb 2:2). If, however, the punishment serves to warn others or reform the wrongdoer, so much the better (Deut 13:11;  19:20.   unquote

PUNISHMENT - King James Version Bible (kjvonline.org)

You really need to study the King James Bible.  Man is given the responsibility to punish evil and criminals.  

The primary purpose of justice in society is not rehabilitation.  That is not justice.  The primary purpose of the administration of justice must be punishment.  Nobody can argue that the liberal soft-on-crime approach has been a disaster for society.

Unfortunately Canada has become a victim to the liberal ideology and often has been soft-on-crime, often giving light sentences or no prison time.  Canada has a failing justice system that arrests the same offenders repeatedly and the judges immediately release them on bail.  Some offenders have had dozens or even over a hundred arrests, convictions, and are still out on the street committing crime.

 

 

Edited November 26, 2023 by blackbird

[TreeBeard]

On 11/24/2023 at 3:09 PM, blackbird said:

You are ignoring the fact that the Supreme Court already supports anti-Christian laws such as abortion, same-sex marriage, medical assistance in dying, etc.  We know how they rule on almost any questionable issue.  

Why would Canadian laws need to adhere to social conservative Christian values?  
 

The fact that we have a secular government and secular laws protects your right to worship as you wish.  

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, TreeBeard said:

The fact that we have a secular government and secular laws protects your right to worship as you wish.

The kind of laws you support like legalized, taxpayer funded abortions and medical assistance in dying denies the rights of the unborn to life.   Euthanasia kills thousands of people every year, many who think they should take it because they can't afford to live or are handicapped and have been led to believe they are worthless.   So much for rights under this heathen system.  Canada is a leader in killing unborn babies and MAID.  I don't see how that is protecting human rights.  It is the opposite.

You need to believe the King James Bible and repent of your sinful ways and attitude before it is too late.  Now is the day of salvation.

Edited November 26, 2023 by blackbird

[TreeBeard]

15 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The kind of laws you support like legalized, taxpayer funded abortions

Not a law.  
 

15 minutes ago, blackbird said:

medical assistance in dying

You are under no obligation to choose to die.  Feel free to suffer for your beliefs.  You don’t have the right to make others suffer.  
 

16 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I don't see how that is protecting human rights. 

That’s a flaw in your understanding, not a flaw in the rights.  
 

17 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You need to believe the King James Bible and repent of your sinful ways and attitude before it is too late.  Now is the day of salvation.

Religious propaganda doesn’t really scare anyone anymore.  

[I am Groot]

On 11/25/2023 at 5:37 PM, ExFlyer said:

As much as you like to think that, when a judge makes a judgment, they have to have the evidence,  documents and precedence to make that judgment.

A court is not like repolitics where rectal plucks rule LOL

They don't need a damned thing if they're the supreme court. There is no appeal to their decision. If they say it's unconstitutional to wear flannel because reasons that's that.

They can interpret every element of the charter any damned way they want to. They can twist themselves into pretzels trying to come up with a reason why extending parole for a mass murderer is somehow 'cruel and unusual' when the definition of 'cruel and unusual' requires a decision so over the top Canadians find it shocking.

 Gross disproportionality is a high threshold. A measure must be more than “merely excessive” or disproportionate: it must “outrage our society’s sense of decency” such that Canadians would find it “abhorrent or intolerable”

Do you think any substantial number of Canadians found this law abhorrent or intolerable?" 

Edited November 26, 2023 by I am Groot

[blackbird]

12 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Religious propaganda doesn’t really scare anyone anymore.  

Probably not.  That's about the only thing you're correct about.  Unfortunately for those that ignore the Biblical warnings, there is a day of reckoning coming.  So don't say somebody didn't warn you.  

" 27  And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: "  Hebrews 9:27 KJV

[blackbird]

Freedom is not about being free to do evil.  Anybody who thinks it is about being free to do evil is only fooling themselves.  Nobody is perfect and we are all sinners.  But the thing is this.  Some are forgiven by God because Jesus died and shed his blood and they believe in Him and His sacrifice for them.  Others reject it altogether and think they will be fine without God and his salvation which is offered. 

A Supreme Court, laws, government or politics cannot save a person from hell.  Putting trust in the world system cannot save anyone.  There are only two roads, one leading to heaven and the other leading to hell.  

Edited November 26, 2023 by blackbird

[blackbird]

23 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Not a law.

Not specifically a law.  But abortion is legal and funded by the government health care system because it is not illegal either.  Canada is one of the countries with no laws or regulations about abortion.  That means the unborn persons have no protection.

[TreeBeard]

10 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Probably not.  That's about the only thing you're correct about.  Unfortunately for those that ignore the Biblical warnings, there is a day of reckoning coming.  So don't say somebody didn't warn you.  

" 27  And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: "  Hebrews 9:27 KJV

As the great philosopher Sammy Hagar said:  “I’ll put it off until Judgement Day;  I’ll bear the cross on Judgement Day “.  
 

I’ll wait to see what this god character is all about before I commit to worship.  But if she’s anything like the god you worship, she’ll be getting an earful from me.  

[blackbird]

31 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

You are under no obligation to choose to die.  Feel free to suffer for your beliefs.  You don’t have the right to make others suffer.  

That's what you think without any understanding of the sanctity of human life and the fact humans do not have the right to end it.  This is a whole other debate so I won't go there right now except for a couple comments.  Natural dying is just that, natural.  It is not necessarily suffering.  Many people die peacefully, some even in their sleep.  They also have lots of means of relieving pain for people who need it.  The assumption that dying will always mean terrible suffering is a lie and meant to fool people like you.  Many people are jumping ahead and taking their own lives because of the lie.  They are literally being scared to death.

Edited November 26, 2023 by blackbird

[TreeBeard]

9 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Freedom is not about being free to do evil.

Your definition of evil is very different than mine.  

 

9 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Nobody is perfect and we are all sinners.

What are your sins?  Should Canada outlaw whatever you’re sinning at?  Send you to jail for your sins?

[blackbird]

4 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

 Should Canada outlaw whatever you’re sinning at?

Certain things should be outlawed.  We already know you believe in a free-for-all.  We don't live in a Christian country.  It is becoming more depraved as time goes on.  The world is sliding downhill.  The Bible predicts this would happen before the end.  

[TreeBeard]

8 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Natural dying is just that, natural. 

Would you take antibiotics to fight an infection to prolong your life?

1 minute ago, blackbird said:

Certain things should be outlawed.  We already know you believe in a free-for-all.  We don't live in a Christian country.  It is becoming more depraved as time goes on.  The world is sliding downhill.  The Bible predicts this would happen before the end.  

Right.  Not your sins.  But those other people’s sins you’d like to see them jailed for.  

[blackbird]

40 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

 Feel free to suffer for your beliefs.  You don’t have the right to make others suffer.  

Nobody has the right to take someone else's life except in certain circumstances, such as war, self-defence, police.  The command "thou shalt not kill" is a central command in the Bible.  Why do you not understand that?  Suffering is part of life too.  Nobody has the right to say it is time to end it because of suffering.  That is called "mercy killing" and is still against the commandment.  Once you say that mercy killing is ok, you have entered the same territory as the Nazis and you can justify anything.  It is a downward spiral after that.

5 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Would you take antibiotics to fight an infection to prolong your life?

That is just common sense.  Why would you want to end it?  Suicide is not right either.  

[blackbird]

7 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Right.  Not your sins.  But those other people’s sins you’d like to see them jailed for.  

Never said that.   There are some things that are serious and result in the death of innocent people, such as abortion and MAID, which should be illegal.  

[eyeball]

7 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Once you say that mercy killing is ok, you have entered the same territory as the Nazis

Yes, the Nazis were so merciful weren't they? ?

[TreeBeard]

12 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Nobody has the right to take someone else's life except in certain circumstances, such as war, self-defence, police. 

Actually, they do.  In the case of someone choosing to, it’s fine in some circumstances.   
 

12 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The command "thou shalt not kill" is a central command in the Bible. 

The bible doesn’t say police can kill.  Or soldiers can kill. You don’t even believe in that Commandment yourself!

 

12 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Nobody has the right to say it is time to end it because of suffering.

Everyone in Canada has that right under certain circumstances.  

 

12 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Once you say that mercy killing is ok, you have entered the same territory as the Nazis and you can justify anything.  It is a downward spiral after that.

LOL

nazis!  You know an argument is weak when they compare compassionate death to Nazis!  You’re hilarious.  
Gott mit uns ('God [is] with us').  Nazis had that on their belt buckles to remind them they were doing the work of the Christian god. 
 

12 minutes ago, blackbird said:

That is just common sense.  Why would you want to end it?  Suicide is not right either.  

You said death should be natural, and yet you take unnatural medications to stave it off.  That’s a contradiction.  

Edited November 26, 2023 by TreeBeard

[blackbird]

17 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Yes, the Nazis were so merciful weren't they? ?

Actually I heard the Nazis killed people with mental illness.  We are not far from that.  Next year MAID will be available to people with mental problems.

[TreeBeard]

3 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Actually I heard the Nazis killed people with mental illness.  We are not far from that.  Next year MAID will be available to people with mental problems.

If they have the mental capacity to choose for themselves to end their suffering, why should you get to tell them they must suffer?

Comparing that to Nazis rounding up mentally ill people and gassing them is absurd, dishonest and disgusting for you to try that. It is a disservice to all the actual victims of Nazis. 

[blackbird]

17 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

The bible doesn’t say police can kill.  Or soldiers can kill. You don’t even believe in that Commandment yourself

That is not correct.  

"6  Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man. " Genesis 9:6 KJV

"1  Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.  2  Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. 3  For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: 4  For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. "  Romans 13:1-4 KJV

Obviously if police are acting to stop a criminal from killing someone (including the policeman himself) he has the right to shot the criminal.  That is just common sense.  Not complicated.  The verses I quoted above demonstrate that the authorities have the right to kill in certain circumstances.  "he beareth not the sword in vain" is proof that the authorities have the power to use lethal force if required.

[blackbird]

1 minute ago, TreeBeard said:

If they have the mental capacity to choose for themselves to end their suffering, why should you get to tell them they must suffer?

Comparing that to Nazis rounding up mentally ill people and gassing them is absurd, dishonest and disgusting for you to try that. It is a disservice to all the actual victims of Nazis. 

I said we are not far from copying the Nazis.  When mentally ill people are allowed to take MAID, we have gone down a dark road.  That is exactly what Canada is doing.  It is dishonest for you to deny that.  That is disgusting.

3 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

If they have the mental capacity to choose for themselves to end their suffering, why should you get to tell them they must suffer?

Comparing that to Nazis rounding up mentally ill people and gassing them is absurd, dishonest and disgusting for you to try that. It is a disservice to all the actual victims of Nazis. 

How do mentally ill people have the capacity to choose death?  That is bizarre.

[TreeBeard]

1 minute ago, blackbird said:

I said we are not far from copying the Nazis.  When mentally ill people are allowed to take MAID, we have gone down a dark road.  That is exactly what Canada is doing.  It is dishonest for you to deny that.  That is disgusting.

I’m not denying it.  I think it’s great.  If they have the capacity to choose that, then why should it be denied?  

Do you understand what it means to have the mental capacity to consent?  I don’t think that you do…

[blackbird]

27 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Nazis had that on their belt buckles to remind them they were doing the work of the Christian god. 

Just proves they were an evil lot.  We know they were doing the work of the Devil. 

[TreeBeard]

Just now, blackbird said:

Just proves they were an evil lot.  We know they were doing the work of the Devil. 

Who created the Devil?

[blackbird]

1 minute ago, TreeBeard said:

I’m not denying it.  I think it’s great.  If they have the capacity to choose that, then why should it be denied?  

Do you understand what it means to have the mental capacity to consent?  I don’t think that you do…

IF you had a son or daughter with mental problems such as depression, would you approve of them receiving medical assistance in dying?