The 'far right' only exists in the minds of paranoid progressives (Liberals, not conservatives, are the true heirs of European fascism)

Moonbox · August 25, 2023

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

Absolutely false. That’s like saying Osama bin Landen was a Jew or that Trump is Antifa. Hitler and Nazism were fundamentally and unapologetically overtly anti-socialist. It was literally a core part of their identity and it was official Nazi policy to jail and/or execute socialists.

This muppet is a treasure trove of clueless bullshit and easily-quoted faceplants.

"Hitler was a left-of-centre socialist". My God. ?

eyeball · August 25, 2023

5 hours ago, CdnFox said:

You said you've never heard a conservative talk about anyone left of them without mentioning commies - if you're hearing it that much, it's definitely the voices in your head

No, go look again. I said I don't know of very many that can't talk about anything left of them without making a reference to commies.

I realize there's exceptions, just not very many in this case.

CdnFox · August 25, 2023

2 hours ago, Moonbox said:

This sort of lashing out is like a window into your soul. ?

I assume you're talking to the mirror You were the one who followed me around because your ego got bruised.

CdnFox · August 25, 2023

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Only one of the 4+ paragraphs you posted mentioned PP or the CPC the rest of what you posted, included the article title and subheading, was baseless diatribe.

Only 4 paragraphs! oh well then it definitely wasn't about them ROFLMAO!!

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LOL ok bub.

No argument against it i see. well there you go,

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Absolutely false. That’s like saying Osama bin Landen was a Jew or that Trump is Antifa. Hitler and Nazism were fundamentally and unapologetically overtly anti-socialist. It was literally a core part of their identity and it was official Nazi policy to jail and/or execute socialists.

Pay attention - they were market socialists and they absolutely were. They were against socialists who believed in controlling the means of production. They believed in having a market. But - they believed in a VERY VERY HIGHLY regulated market and society and they believed firmly that the market and industry and society should be forced by law to serve the interests of the state. Which at the time was expansion.

This is well documented. He hated traditional socialists but he loved the idea of market socialism. And in fact at the time most of the 'socalist' political types felt he was an excellent example till the war started. It wasn't till after the war that they started to say he was 'right'.

And the article explained this.

Not all socialists are traditional socialists. Read a book.

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The problem here is that you don’t have an accurate definition of “right wing”. The term is not synonymous with freedom. There’s are and have been right wing dictatorships.

Ahhh - so you'll redefine it for me until it matches your echo chamber How very leftist of you.

How about those of us on the right decide what right wing means? And generally right wing in 2023 means more freedoms, smaller gov't, freeer markets and less regulation.

Hitler was less freedom, strict regulation, controlled markets and massive gov't.

Not conservative BUT - definitely left wing or market socialist.

50 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

This muppet is a treasure trove of clueless bullshit and easily-quoted faceplants.

"Hitler was a left-of-centre socialist". My God. ?

ROFL - market socialist . the article explains that but the important thing for you right now is to lie your ass off in a desperate attempt to massage your ego over looking stupid yet again

Was there a part of the article which explained this that you disagree with? Or were you just full of shit?

CdnFox · August 25, 2023

47 minutes ago, eyeball said:

No, go look again. I said I don't know of very many that can't talk about anything left of them without making a reference to commies.

Oh - you edited it after i called you on it i see. Well if you're changing your tune again that's nothing surprising, carry on

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I realize there's exceptions, just not very many in this case.

Sure. In fact hardly anyone mentiones commies every post or even every other post or even every thread or even every other thread.

People will talk about the left, and sometimes socialists because it's a political forum. But commies don't come up much out side of threads about actual commies. In fact - you were the one who mentioned commies in this thread.

Moonbox · August 25, 2023

8 hours ago, CdnFox said:

ROFL - market socialist . the article explains that but the important thing for you right now is to lie your ass off in a desperate attempt to massage your ego over looking stupid yet again

Your precise words were, "Hitler was a left of centre socialist". That's not a lie, but I realize you can't help but project. Whenever you get caught saying something retarded, the other person is LYING. Whenever you go off on one of your angry muppet rants, it's the other person worried about their ego. ?

8 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Was there a part of the article which explained this that you disagree with? Or were you just full of shit?

You mean other than it was an opinion piece written by the comments section editor (a glorified forum moderator) for a dying newspaper that few take seriously?

eyeball · August 25, 2023

9 hours ago, CdnFox said:

People will talk about the left, and sometimes socialists because it's a political forum. But commies don't come up much out side of threads about actual commies.

?

CdnFox · August 25, 2023

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

?

Awww - are you crying again? Is it because you're a commie and we don't talk about you enough? There there, we all still love you little guy ... what else would we have to laugh at every morning if you weren't here? LOLOL!

eyeball · August 25, 2023

17 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

... what else would we have to laugh at every morning if you weren't here?

You.

CdnFox · August 25, 2023

6 minutes ago, eyeball said:

You.

LOL - awwww kid.. was that really the best you could do? Not even something more intelligent like 'i'm rubber you're glue"? LOL

You can dance better than that little monkey!

Moonbox · August 25, 2023

27 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

LOL - awwww kid.. was that really the best you could do? Not even something more intelligent like 'i'm rubber you're glue"?

Literally nobody on his forum does that more automatically than you.

27 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You can dance better than that little monkey!

Yet you're the one performing for everyone. ?

CdnFox · August 25, 2023

3 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Literally nobody on his forum does that more automatically than you.

ROFLMAO? does that more 'automatically'? Wow. Both of you are really phoning it in today I see the "cdnfox made me cry" support group is just not having a good day

Listen - if you're going to follow me around like a lost puppy and try to jump in whenever eyeball whimpers every time you wind up looking stupid in an argument with me then at the very least you can try to be entertaining I know you're not the smartest kid in class but surely you can at least manage THAT much?

Moonbox · August 25, 2023

16 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

ROFLMAO? does that more 'automatically'? Wow. Both of you are really phoning it in today I see the "cdnfox made me cry" support group is just not having a good day

Phoning it in is all the attention you merit, muppet, and even then it's often good enough to get multi-paragraph, sometimes page-long responses. ?

CdnFox · August 25, 2023

56 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Phoning it in is all the attention you merit, muppet, and even then it's often good enough to get multi-paragraph, sometimes page-long responses. ?

HA - So you take all the time to chase after me, the time to read my posts, the time to attack out of the blue on a thread you're not even involved with .... but i'm not worth the time

So what you're saying is i live rent free in your head at this point

And yes - i know - reading more than 2 lines gives you a headache. That's why you always wind up failing in our debates

Moonbox · August 25, 2023

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

HA - So you take all the time to chase after me, the time to read my posts, the time to attack out of the blue on a thread you're not even involved with .... but i'm not worth the time

You spam 40+ posts a day. Nobody is following you. You're impossible to avoid, stinking the place up with your clueless and belligerent spam. The only thing that's more impressive than your ability to start and subsequently derail your own threads daily is your apparent lack of anything better to do with your time.

This forum has never seen a bigger no-life than you, and that's no even hyperbole. ?

Edited August 25, 2023 by Moonbox

CdnFox · August 25, 2023

2 hours ago, Moonbox said:

You spam 40+ posts a day. Nobody is following you.

What really pisses you off is that they are following And when you screw up during one of our discussions, as you so often do, people notice.

Which is why you take the time and energy to follow me around when that happens and try to massage your ego by randomly attacking me LOL!

Loving those salty tears kiddo !

suds · August 25, 2023

17 hours ago, CdnFox said:

How about those of us on the right decide what right wing means? And generally right wing in 2023 means more freedoms, smaller gov't, freeer markets and less regulation.

Hitler was less freedom, strict regulation, controlled markets and massive gov't.

Not conservative BUT - definitely left wing or market socialist.

I agree. Stalin brought in American industrialists to plan and run his factories during the USSR's period of industrialization. Does that make Stalin a capitalist? Of course not. So what are Hitler and Mussolini supposed to do? Shoot the capitalists running their factories and then have nobody left to run them? Again, of course not. I see no evidence of Mussolini or Hitler being capitalists. It just made perfect sense to keep the capitalists running things (and keeping them happy) while exercising almost total control over them. Whatever works. To put it another way..... what's the difference between allowing capitalists to run things and take their profits, or paying people appointed by the state to run things and pay them generous bonuses and better living conditions? Sure Hitler executed communists, he also executed liberals or anyone else who stood in his way to total power. He simply got rid of all opposition.

impartialobserver · August 25, 2023

what makes someone far right, far left, radical.... is highly subjective. In today's political world.. if someone does not align with you 100%.. they are not only right/left but far right or far left

CdnFox · August 25, 2023

4 minutes ago, suds said:

I agree. Stalin brought in American industrialists to plan and run his factories during the USSR's period of industrialization. Does that make Stalin a capitalist? Of course not. So what are Hitler and Mussolini supposed to do? Shoot the capitalists running their factories and then have nobody left to run them? Again, of course not. I see no evidence of Mussolini or Hitler being capitalists. It just made perfect sense to keep the capitalists running things (and keeping them happy) while exercising almost total control over them. Whatever works. To put it another way..... what's the difference between allowing capitalists to run things and take their profits, or paying people appointed by the state to run things and pay them generous bonuses and better living conditions? Sure Hitler executed communists, he also executed liberals or anyone else who stood in his way to total power. He simply got rid of all opposition.

Absolutely. And this thinking is still prevelant today. In europe it's often called "Democratic socialism". It's reflected in the ideas of the market socialists, etc.

It's a simple concept - free markets work very well and create wealth and innovative solutions - so we should harness that. BUT we can put so much regulation on the market that it'll support our socialist agenda and fund it as well.

So modern socialists and even communistic gov'ts have moved to having "Free" markets that are run pretty much entirely at the direction of the state and often involve heavy state participation in ownership. I mean - why own the market when you can lease it? LOL

Hitler was such a socialist. He hated the traditional socialists with a passion, but he loved the idea of a socialist free market

2 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

what makes someone far right, far left, radical.... is highly subjective. In today's political world.. if someone does not align with you 100%.. they are not only right/left but far right or far left

There's truth to that. But the left takes it to extremes, and i think that's what the article was touching on. Everyone who's right of castro is 'far right' these days

impartialobserver · August 25, 2023

3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Absolutely. And this thinking is still prevelant today. In europe it's often called "Democratic socialism". It's reflected in the ideas of the market socialists, etc.

It's a simple concept - free markets work very well and create wealth and innovative solutions - so we should harness that. BUT we can put so much regulation on the market that it'll support our socialist agenda and fund it as well.

So modern socialists and even communistic gov'ts have moved to having "Free" markets that are run pretty much entirely at the direction of the state and often involve heavy state participation in ownership. I mean - why own the market when you can lease it? LOL

Hitler was such a socialist. He hated the traditional socialists with a passion, but he loved the idea of a socialist free market

There's truth to that. But the left takes it to extremes, and i think that's what the article was touching on. Everyone who's right of castro is 'far right' these days

I see it on both sides. I am fairly centrist and so when I do not align with someone... by default.. I must be far left/hippie or far right/religious.

CdnFox · August 25, 2023

Just now, impartialobserver said:

I see it on both sides. I am fairly centrist and so when I do not align with someone... by default.. I must be far left/hippie or far right/religious.

Left doesn't like the right, and the right doesn't like the left. But EVERYONE hates the centrist LOL! (bastard.)

eyeball · August 26, 2023

4 hours ago, impartialobserver said:

I see it on both sides. I am fairly centrist and so when I do not align with someone... by default.. I must be far left/hippie or far right/religious.

I can't help but feel for the way so many old right wingers around here get left behind and relegated to the left at the drop of a hat these days. Amused more than sympathetic mind you, sorry guys ?

But it really does underscore how the right wing has become less of a place and more of a direction.

CdnFox · August 26, 2023

4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I can't help but feel for the way so many old right wingers around here get left behind and relegated to the left at the drop of a hat these days. Amused more than sympathetic mind you, sorry guys ?

But it really does underscore how the right wing has become less of a place and more of a direction.

Virtually all of that was stupid. Yeash dude. No 'right wingers' are being relegated to the 'left'. I'm an old right winger ?

the right wing is neither a place or a direction and its' dumb to say either.

eyeball · August 26, 2023

16 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Yeash dude. No 'right wingers' are being relegated to the 'left'

Really? Go tell it to Moonbox, Spanky or Queenmandy. Lol!

20 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I'm an old right winger

No, you're in a peculiar little wing all of your own.

20 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

the right wing is neither a place or a direction and its' dumb to say either.

Actually I think it's a pretty nuanced observation myself.

CdnFox · August 26, 2023

25 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Really? Go tell it to Moonbox, Spanky or Queenmandy. Lol!

LOL - moonbox and queen are FIRMLY on the left I don't recall moonbox even suggesting otherwise. You'd have been better off going with mike harding

A lot of people who are left wing are ashamed of the left these days. They try to claim a 'red tory' flag but they're not. And for some reason they all desperately want to vote for Michael Cheong Given what the left wing looks like it's no surprise that the semi-moderate ones dont' want to be associated with it

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Actually I think it's a pretty nuanced observation myself.

The jokes there pretty much write themselves.

There's nothing nuanced about it. It's pseudo-intellectual clap-trap that is beneath even you, it's the political equivalent of "i know we're on a quest for gold but the REAL treasure is the friends we made along the way". It's both cheezy and corny and makes you look like you learned everything you know about politics from a fortune cookie.

But if you feel that look suits you then by all means