The election prospects

[myata]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

No it isn't - it's a Horse! You decide! What? Because we can!!!!

The true self speaking? Thrilled to help you find it.. another good deed for the day.

[CdnFox]

53 minutes ago, myata said:

In their mansions? What potholes?

Because they can! What?

[Guest]

6 hours ago, myata said:

In their mansions? What potholes?

Ah.  A change in the discussion.  I said potholes.

What mansions?

[Army Guy]

On 8/17/2023 at 7:33 PM, Queenmandy85 said:

The problem is PP says he will “fix things” without any substantive viable plan on how he is going to do that. He will cut the carbon tax but what is he going to do to cut emissions? What will he do differently to reduce inflation? He says he will cut spending but Defence, transfers to provinces to deal with underfunded education and healthcare, Veteran’s Affairs, the transition off fossil fuels to nuclear power, and the restructuring of transportation infrastructure are all urgently needing more funding. I have repeatedly asked him for answers and all I get in response is crickets. I am a Conservative not a Socred. But if the socialist credit CPC could give me a reason to support them, I would. But I don’t vote for vague slogans. So far, I don’t see any difference between Mr. Trudeau and Mr Poilievre. All flash and no bang.

 

One could take your entire augment and change PP to Justin, In the last 8 years Justin has done nothing but broke things, he has done NOTHING to lower emissions, His economical policies have done nothing but create high inflation, his massive debt load is lowered the value of our dollar, added fuel to inflation, pumped out billions to they don't know they were not tracking....Justin promised to fix vet affairs, instead they are still taking the feds to court to get basic care...WE already know what Justin is going to give us we have had 8 years of it....

Look around you we have two parties worth any vote, Liberals and conservatives.... NDP are a joke...and the greens well might as well vote for my hamster....if i could afford the fees to have him registered....Since we already know what your getting with Justin. there is not much of a choice to make... PP platform is out there for anyone to see, take a look and tell me whats so scary.

If you can't see the difference now, between Justin and PP, i mean come on man your smarter than that...PP has for the most part a clean slate... Justin slate is a mile high pile of shi*.... Can we afford another 4 years of Justin... you tell me... can we afford 4 years of PP, well it could not get any worse can it ... 

[Army Guy]

On 8/16/2023 at 7:10 PM, WestCanMan said:

Ditto for the Greens. I don't even know what they really do. 

In the last election the environment was theoretically the top issue and they still couldn't get 3 MPs. 

I'd describe the Greens as a bunch of low-IQ Karens with a hobby who are in way over their heads. 

The fact that Elizabeth May is their leader again tells you everything that you'll ever need to know about them: 

You could ffwd to the 9:00 mark for a brief glimpse of who she is, or even watch the whole sad thing. Ohhhh noooo Canada....

What a twat... Omar Khadr is a terrorist, him and his entire family nothing more, Canadians should be ashamed to call this garbage Canadian ..

And this bag of wind is a Canadian embarrassment, and the green party nothing more than Karen's with to much time on their hands, all of them should be dropped off in the middle of Afghanistan and then should be shot with a huge ball of their own shi*.

[myata]

13 hours ago, bcsapper said:

I said potholes.

What mansions?

The potholes can be in the public streets and in the governing mansions. They are not the same potholes though the word is the same. Are these statistics related? Should they be?

Guess what, the answer is relative.

Responsible democratic government: obviously.

Third world: why should there be any relation? What responsibility, we are only employees here. And while we're at it, how about that automatic annual rise?

Edited August 19, 2023 by myata

[Guest]

19 minutes ago, myata said:

The potholes can be in the public streets and in the governing mansions. They are not the same potholes though the word is the same. Are these statistics related? Should they be?

Guess what, the answer is relative.

Responsible democratic government: obviously.

Third world: why should there be any relation? What responsibility, we are only employees here. And while we're at it, how about that automatic annual rise?

Ah, I had no idea.  Carry on!

[myata]

18 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Ah, I had no idea.

I can see that. You would be living in the first world otherwise.

[Guest]

12 minutes ago, myata said:

I can see that. You would be living in the first world otherwise.

I meant that I had no idea I wouldn't be able to make head nor tails of what you were trying to say.

 

[myata]

7 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

I wouldn't be able to make head nor tails of what you were trying to say.

I can see that. You think that democracy just happens. You don't need to do anything, to think even or ever, just push a button once every so many years, doesn't really matter which one et voila... like from a bottle in the supermarket. Where would the notions like: accountability; responsibility; real visible and measurable results fit in this picture? In what fantasy world?

[Guest]

Just now, myata said:

I can see that. You think that democracy just happens. You don't need to do anything, to think even or ever, just push a button once every so many years, doesn't really matter which one et voila... like from a bottle in the supermarket. Where would the notions like: accountability; responsibility; real visible and measurable results fit in this picture? In what fantasy world?

What the hell is it with people on this site making up arguments for the people they are talking to?

I said:

In a democracy of three, someone's going to be peeved... 

The point of which, taken in relation to the comment of yours to which I was responding, is obvious.

And from then you never provided a comprehensible response, eventually degenerating into telling me what I think.

That's bad enough, but the argument you made up for me is has nothing to with the point I was making.

 

[myata]

1 hour ago, bcsapper said:

In a democracy of three, someone's going to be peeved...

You think that comment somehow related to the matter of responsible, accountable and representative in the reality, democratic governments that was discussed? I only tried to remind what it was about.

[myata]

This is how the greatest system works. A summary, for the record.

1. You hire or "elect" a corporation to manage your home, except: no obligations to fulfill any contracts; no audits; no budgets or expenses approved by you; no formal responsibility to deliver any results.

2. You wait couple of terms until it grows arrogant; entrenched; non-responsive; greedy and lazy; generous to the point of frivolous with your money; doesn't deliver you much or anything; and p*sses you off in any number of other ways;

3. Then you "elect" a different corporation to manage you home on exactly the same terms but with a landslide.

Question: how smart is that? I mean, how intelligent is this behavior and on what basic level?

Edited August 19, 2023 by myata

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, myata said:

You think that comment somehow related to the matter of responsible, accountable and representative in the reality, democratic governments that was discussed? I only tried to remind what it was about.

Your comment was the first one in the thread that I read.  (It was bolded)

You seemed to be saying that democracy, somehow, had to take you, personally, into account.  It doesn't.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, myata said:

I can see that. You think that democracy just happens. You don't need to do anything, to think even or ever, just push a button once every so many years, doesn't really matter which one et voila... like from a bottle in the supermarket. Where would the notions like: accountability; responsibility; real visible and measurable results fit in this picture? In what fantasy world?

Pot - meet kettle.  Kettle, pot.

You literally think that it's other people's jobs to create a bunch of parties so you have a 'buffet choice' and can sit on your ass and do nothing and then vote once every 4 years.

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

You seemed to be saying that democracy, somehow, had to take you, personally, into account.  It doesn't.

Exactly/  The primary purpose of democracy is that  people participate fully and all walk away equally unhappy

[myata]

7 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Your comment was the first one in the thread that I read.  (It was bolded)

Ah you misunderstood the meaning of "we, the citizens", it had to be about specific Ann, Joe and Jill? Got it. Yes, these do happen.

[myata]

10 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You literally think that

What's the deal with the politicians who can't read (or get a simplest message)?

The right for a real, unrestricted choice;

And to have it represented accurately and fairly.

Like, how difficult is that?

For example: if your "party" got 33% of the votes, it has to have the same fraction of representation in a real (not picturebook) Parliament, not a "landslide". Is it really so hard to get?

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, myata said:

Ah you misunderstood the meaning of "we, the citizens", it had to be about specific Ann, Joe and Jill? Got it. Yes, these do happen.

No, I didn't.  I understood the meaning of "I, a citizen" fairly well though.

Edited August 19, 2023 by bcsapper

[myata]

5 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

I understood the meaning of "I, a citizen" fairly well though.

OK. So you, a citizen do not think that your vote merits and deserves fair representation? You've got it. And the best of it, nothing to be done here!

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, myata said:

OK. So you, a citizen do not think that your vote merits and deserves fair representation? You've got it. And the best of it, nothing to be done here!

Why did you try and misrepresent your quote, and then, when I pointed that out to you, ignore it?

My vote deserves to be counted fairly. 

[CdnFox]

35 minutes ago, myata said:

What's the deal with the politicians who can't read (or get a simplest message)?

The right for a real, unrestricted choice;

And to have it represented accurately and fairly.

Like, how difficult is that?

For example: if your "party" got 33% of the votes, it has to have the same fraction of representation in a real (not picturebook) Parliament, not a "landslide". Is it really so hard to get?

So - that whole 'sanity' thing... just wasn't working for you i take it?

[myata]

29 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

and misrepresent your quote

Or you misunderstanding it? "I, a citizen"; "we, the citizens"; the grammar implies that it should apply to all votes. And if you place essentially different meanings here then it's your problem, not mine.

[myata]

10 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

So - that whole 'sanity' thing... just wasn't working for you i take it?

Of course. Accuracy and fairness, all that was asked have to be not sane in your world.

Accurate? Fair? No no anathema! insane! In our world. Because we can.

[CdnFox]

9 minutes ago, myata said:

Of course. Accuracy and fairness, all that was asked have to be not sane in your world.

Accurate? Fair? No no anathema! insane! In our world. Because we can.

Well that clears it up nicely, thanks