Biological sources of CO2 (like termites) DO NOT increase atmospheric concentrations of GHG which CAUSE CLIMATE CHANGE.

[Hodad]

20 minutes ago, Deluge said:

You receive an "F" - you didn't address the questions directly, and you failed to cite any sources for the irrelevant bullshit that you did post. 

Now it's your turn to ask me questions. 

 

You asked a question with an illogical premise based on assumptions about me. 

I gave you the correct information so that you could reformulate your question--and thinking--in the context of a free society. Remember, our entire constitution is a charter of negative rights. Law in this country isn't composed of specific activity permitted by an all powerful government. Quite the opposite. Our system of law is founded in what the government may not do. It presumes individual liberty, and prescribes the circumstances under which individual liberty may be compromised: harm to others. 

And I don't need to cite the color commentary. It's accurate, but quite beside the point. If you have idle curiosity about the various states of marriage in human history you're welcome to go learn. 

 

[Deluge]

31 minutes ago, Hodad said:

You asked a question with an illogical premise based on assumptions about me.

The only thing illogical is homosexuals acting like heterosexuals. Homosexual marriage is illogical. YOU are illogical. 

Assumptions about you? How do you figure? Are you saying that you're opposed to homosexual marriage too? 

[Aristides]

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

We lose trees like that every year, and every tree that we lose has the same "50-year setback".

Yes and in an ordinary carbon cycle they would renew and absorb the  carbon that has been emitted. However, we are adding billions of tons of carbon to the atmosphere in a short time that has been trapped in the earths crust for millions of years and the existing carbon cycle can't  handle the added load. It is not part of a natural cycle. How you can fail to grasp something so basic is beyond me.

Edited July 20, 2023 by Aristides

[WestCanMan]

9 minutes ago, Aristides said:

However, we are adding billions of tons of carbon to the atmosphere in a short time that has been trapped in the earths crust for millions of years and the existing carbon cycle can't  handle the added load. It is not part of a natural cycle.

That was happening in 1804 as well. How you can fail to grasp something so basic is not surprising at all, considering all the other crap that you post here.

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

That was happening in 1804 as well. How you can fail to grasp something so basic is not surprising at all, considering all the other crap that you post here.

What an odd post.  There were a billion people on Earth in 1804.  The industrial revolution was a recent memory.

You can't see how another 7 billion is going to make a difference?

[robosmith]

6 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

What an odd post.  There were a billion people on Earth in 1804.  The industrial revolution was a recent memory.

You can't see how another 7 billion is going to make a difference?

In 1804 there were no automobiles, electrical machines, nor aircraft of any kind. Factories that existed were powered mostly by hydro-motive power, which is why rivers were a popular location for them.

People burned LOGS in their fireplaces and candles or oil lamps for light, which were a biological source of CO2.

Not understanding the differences between then and now is VERY ODD.

[Aristides]

5 minutes ago, robosmith said:

In 1804 there were no automobiles, electrical machines, nor aircraft of any kind. Factories that existed were powered mostly by hydro-motive power, which is why rivers were a popular location for them.

People burned LOGS in their fireplaces and candles or oil lamps for light, which were a b

iological source of CO2.

Not understanding the differences between then and now is VERY ODD.

The industrial revolution was well under way by 1804 and much of it was powered by coal. Iron and steel production releases a lot of carbon into the air. Even today, almost two tons of CO2 emitted to produce  1 ton of steel.

Not understanding the difference between 1 billion and 8 billion is even odder, especially when we live in a society where a huge portion of the goods and food we consume is transported long distances using fossil fuels instead of locally. A society that thinks nothing of driving 20 miles to work and back every day instead of a society where 90% of people never travelled farther than 50 miles from where they were born in their entire lifetime.

[Hodad]

16 minutes ago, Deluge said:

The only thing illogical is homosexuals acting like heterosexuals. Homosexual marriage is illogical. YOU are illogical. 

Assumptions about you? How do you figure? Are you saying that you're opposed to homosexual marriage too? 

You said that I think homosexual marriage is good. Whether state sanctioned marriage is a good idea at all is the real question. But within the current structure, homosexual marriage is identical to heterosexual marriage. No better or worse--no different.  In both cases it's a shortcut legal process that allows consenting adults to merge certain interests, assets and obligations. That's the sum total of what state marriage is, and the sex of the two consenting adults doesn't matter one way or another.  

[robosmith]

23 minutes ago, Aristides said:

The industrial revolution was well under way by 1804 and much of it was powered by coal. Iron and steel production releases a lot of carbon into the air. Even today, almost two tons of CO2 emitted to produce  1 ton of steel.

Not understanding the difference between 1 billion and 8 billion is even odder, especially when we live in a society where a huge portion of the goods and food we consume is transported long distances using fossil fuels instead of locally. A society that thinks nothing of driving 20 miles to work and back every day instead of a society where 90% of people never travelled farther than 50 miles from where they were born in their entire lifetime.

The FIRST iron bridge was built in America in 1836.

The first steam locomotive Tom Thumb was built in America in 1829.

Coal was not used in America for iron production until 1827. Charcoal is a biological source from lumber.

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The movement away from charcoal in US iron smelting began in 1827, when a puddling furnace in Phoenixville, Pennsylvania started using anthracite coal.

Looks like there was not much use of coal in 1804

[Deluge]

14 minutes ago, Hodad said:

You said that I think homosexual marriage is good. Whether state sanctioned marriage is a good idea at all is the real question. But within the current structure, homosexual marriage is identical to heterosexual marriage. No better or worse--no different.  In both cases it's a shortcut legal process that allows consenting adults to merge certain interests, assets and obligations. That's the sum total of what state marriage is, and the sex of the two consenting adults doesn't matter one way or another.  

Well? Do you? lol 

state sanctioned marriage is NOT a good idea. It's why so many of us have been opposed to it this entire time. You said that the "current structure" allows for homosexual marriage and that is OK in your mind. I'm here to tell you that it is not OK in our minds and the current SC needs to reverse it. 

Marriage is between man and a woman. That is how it has always been (with a few very minor deviating exceptions) and that is how it needs to remain. I expect the SCOTUS to reverse the 2015 ruling within the next few years. 

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, bcsapper said:

What an odd post.  There were a billion people on Earth in 1804.  The industrial revolution was a recent memory.

You can't see how another 7 billion is going to make a difference?

So you want to cull the herd? What's your point?

A burned patch of forest in 1804 didn't start re-growing any sooner than a burned patch of forest in 2023. 

The main difference is that there weren't hundreds of climate alarmist intentionally starting fires back then. 

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

So you want to cull the herd? What's your point?

A burned patch of forest in 1804 didn't start re-growing any sooner than a burned patch of forest in 2023. 

The main difference is that there weren't hundreds of climate alarmist intentionally starting fires back then. 

Ah, so you're not making any kind of climate change point then.  Just saying that trees are still trees.

In case any of use were unsure. 

[WestCanMan]

13 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Ah, so you're not making any kind of climate change point then.  Just saying that trees are still trees.

In case any of use were unsure. 

You should know by now that all these stupid ideas like 'flood-fires' and 'slower-growing trees' come from the fertile dumpsters of the leftist hive-mind.

In this instance I was following up on Aristedes comment about how it takes 50 years for a forest to get back into the game, as if ths was the first ever year of forest fires.

I'm pretty sure that trees from the good ol' days didn't grow any faster than the new ones (don't listen to grandpa), and to be completely honest, vegetation grows faster in a CO2-rich environment, so if anything they'd re-grow faster now if atmospheric CO2 is higher.

You want me to make a climate change point? OK: the people who believe in climate change are the same ones who believe in mostly peaceful protests, Jussie Smollett, G Floyd, M Brown, Wussian cowusion, covid, the safe & effective jab, vax-naziism, etc. The people who say "Science says that global warming is real" also said "Science says that the covid jab is safe and it will prevent you from dying."

[robosmith]

Floods, fires and deadly heat are the alarm bells of a planet on the brink

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The world is hotter than it’s been in thousands of years, and it’s as if every alarm bell on Earth were ringing.

The warnings are echoing through the drenched mountains of Vermont, where two months of rain just fell in only two days. India and Japan were deluged by extreme flooding.

They’re blaring from the scorching streets of Texas, Florida, Spain and China, with a severe heat wave also building in Phoenix and the Southwest in coming days.

They’re burbling up from the oceans, where temperatures have surged to levels considered beyond extreme.

And they’re showing up in unprecedented, still-burning wildfires in Canada that have sent plumes of dangerous smoke into the United States.

Scientists say there is no question that this cacophony was caused by climate change — or that it will continue to intensify as the planet warms. Research shows that human greenhouse gas emissions, particularly from burning fossil fuels, have raised Earth’s temperature by about 1.2 degrees Celsius (2.2 Fahrenheit) above preindustrial levels. Unless humanity radically transforms the way people travel, generate energy and produce food, the global average temperature is on track to increase by more than 3 degrees Celsius (5.4 Fahrenheit), according to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change — unleashing catastrophes that will make this year’s disasters seem mild.

 

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NOTE: A study in Nature Medicine finds that more than 61,000 people died because of last year’s brutal summer heat waves across Europe.

 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-023-02419-z
 

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

The FIRST iron bridge was built in America in 1836.

The first steam locomotive Tom Thumb was built in America in 1829.

Coal was not used in America for iron production until 1827. Charcoal is a biological source from lumber.

Looks like there was not much use of coal in 1804

The Industrial Revolution started in Britain, not the US. Most common date 1760

The first major iron bridge was opened in Shropshire England in 1781.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Iron_Bridge

The first working steam locomotive was built by George Stephenson in 1814 and was used for hauling coal. The first railway hauling both freight and passengers was the Stockton to Darlington in 1821 using his engines. He is regarded as the father of railways. His son Robert built the Rocket.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Stephenson

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephenson's_Rocket#External_links

James Watt's steam engines were first used commercially in Britain in 1776.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Watt

The first coal fired furnaces used to melt pig iron were used in Britain in 1784.

https://www.britannica.com/technology/iron-processing

Maybe Americans should learn some history other than their own.

 

[robosmith]

2 minutes ago, Aristides said:

The Industrial Revolution started in Britain, not the US. Most common date 1760

The first major iron bridge was opened in Shropshire England in 1781.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Iron_Bridge

The first working steam locomotive was built by George Stephenson in 1814 and was used for hauling coal. The first railway hauling both freight and passengers was the Stockton to Darlington in 1821 using his engines. He is regarded as the father of railways. His son Robert built the Rocket.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Stephenson

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephenson's_Rocket#External_links

James Watt's steam engines were first used commercially in Britain in 1776.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Watt

The first coal fired furnaces used to melt pig iron were used in Britain in 1784.

https://www.britannica.com/technology/iron-processing

Maybe Americans should learn some history other than their own.

Everyone knows the Britain was the pioneer in steam engine technology.

That means use of coal WAS NOT widespread in 1784, it was mostly confined to one small island, which mostly used charcoal that time because they had large forests to exploit.

 

[Hodad]

1 hour ago, Deluge said:

Well? Do you? lol 

state sanctioned marriage is NOT a good idea. It's why so many of us have been opposed to it this entire time. You said that the "current structure" allows for homosexual marriage and that is OK in your mind. I'm here to tell you that it is not OK in our minds and the current SC needs to reverse it. 

Marriage is between man and a woman. That is how it has always been (with a few very minor deviating exceptions) and that is how it needs to remain. I expect the SCOTUS to reverse the 2015 ruling within the next few years. 

If the government is recognizing the contract between Pat and Chris, what does it matter to you if Pat and Chris are two men, two women, or one man and one woman-- or two non-binary people, for that matter?

No matter the composition, it has no ability to harm you, and indeed, no effect on you whatsoever.

So when you argue to legally recognize one contract but not the others, you are doing so because of your personal biases rather than any logic or principle. You're not preventing any harm. And that's not how laws are made in a free country.

Just because you don't like, say, red ties-or left-handed writing, doesn't mean you have any standing or cause to outlaw them. You want to take freedoms away from others for no cause whatsoever.

Edited July 20, 2023 by Hodad

[Aristides]

37 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Everyone knows the Britain was the pioneer in steam engine technology.

That means use of coal WAS NOT widespread in 1784, it was mostly confined to one small island, which mostly used charcoal that time because they had large forests to exploit.

 

Britain cut down most of its forests to build the Royal Navy's ships. It took about 6000 oak trees to build a first rate ship of the line like HMS Victory.

Edited July 20, 2023 by Aristides

[Deluge]

15 hours ago, Hodad said:

If the government is recognizing the contract between Pat and Chris, what does it matter to you if Pat and Chris are two men, two women, or one man and one woman-- or two non-binary people, for that matter?

No matter the composition, it has no ability to harm you, and indeed, no effect on you whatsoever.

So when you argue to legally recognize one contract but not the others, you are doing so because of your personal biases rather than any logic or principle. You're not preventing any harm. And that's not how laws are made in a free country.

Just because you don't like, say, red ties-or left-handed writing, doesn't mean you have any standing or cause to outlaw them. You want to take freedoms away from others for no cause whatsoever.

Because unlike you, I don't like the idea of Pat and Chris mimicking Janet and Steve at the altar of marriage. Tradition holds that marriage is between man and woman, and God has decreed it in the Old Testament. There is nothing good about homosexuals getting married, in fact it's bad. 

It doesn't matter whether it affects me directly or not. I'm interested in living in a stable, law abiding, Christian society and homosexual marriage is not conducive to that kind of setting. 

I argue that marriage is between a man and a woman and that's it - anything aside from that is just gaslighting.

[Deluge]

16 hours ago, robosmith said:

Floods, fires and deadly heat are the alarm bells of a planet on the brink

 

 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-023-02419-z
 

Oh dear, robosmith is crying again about a global crisis that doesn't exist. 

Can we get another diaper change for my whacked out global marxist friend, robosmith? 

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Deluge said:

Oh dear, robosmith is crying again about a global crisis that doesn't exist. 

Can we get another diaper change for my whacked out global marxist friend, robosmith? 

Thanks for AGAIN demonstrating ^YOUR LAME RESPONSE TO EVIDENCE.

INSULTS is ALL YOU GOT. Duh

Now cease and desist ALL OFF TOPIC POSTS about gay rights. This thread is about biological sources of CO2 and the FACT that they don't affect atmospheric concentrations. 

We understand WHY you want to CHANGE THE SUBJECT, so stop it.

Edited July 21, 2023 by robosmith

[Deluge]

19 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Thanks for AGAIN demonstrating ^YOUR LAME RESPONSE TO EVIDENCE.

INSULTS is ALL YOU GOT. Duh

Now cease and desist ALL OFF TOPIC POSTS about gay rights. This thread is about biological sources of CO2 and the FACT that they don't affect atmospheric concentrations. 

We understand WHY you want to CHANGE THE SUBJECT, so stop it.

You for sure don't have any evidence. 

Don't waste another amazing summer day, robo. Get your a$$ out there and enjoy that weather!

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Deluge said:

You for sure don't have any evidence. 

No, that is YOU and YOUR PROJECTION. I posted EVIDENCE from nature.com

ALL you have is your AMATEUR OPINIONS.

[Deluge]

45 minutes ago, robosmith said:

No, that is YOU and YOUR PROJECTION. I posted EVIDENCE from nature.com

ALL you have is your AMATEUR OPINIONS.

No, you posted climate scare propaganda. 

None of that shit you're talking about is doing what you think it's doing. Sure, isolated areas get hosed from time to time, but there isn't one f*cking thing that's happening to everyone at the same time. 

Everything is fine. Go outside and play. 

 

[robosmith]

32 minutes ago, Deluge said:

No, you posted climate scare propaganda. 

Nature.com is a reputable scientific publication. ^YOUR OPINIONS ARE NOT.

32 minutes ago, Deluge said:

None of that shit you're talking about is doing what you think it's doing. Sure, isolated areas get hosed from time to time, but there isn't one f*cking thing that's happening to everyone at the same time. 

Of course, there isn't. No one said the climate is the SAME everywhere on Earth simultaneously. Duh

But it is TRENDING in the SAME DIRECTION, as recent data PROVES.

The AVERAGE worldwide temperature set new record HIGHS for 4 days in a row THIS MONTH.

Yes, it gets a little cooler in SOME places, and MUCH WARMER in others.

Your FAILURE to understand that phenomenon is ONE FACTOR which completely disqualifies YOUR OPINIONS.

You're not close to the same league as actual climate scientists. Duh