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[Aristides]

15 minutes ago, Deluge said:

I say what? That I disapprove of most life choices? Where did I say that?

I said I disapprove of the homosexual agenda. I don't disapprove of homosexuals or their lifestyle choices, but I do disapprove of their agenda, and part of that agenda has been to redefine lawful marriage - I disapprove of that, and will fight it as long as it exists. 

It's fine to disapprove of some life choices, it is quite another thing to try and control them. Why do you care who gets married? Why do you think you have the right to tell others what they can and cannot do based on your own predjudices? 

[Deluge]

9 minutes ago, Aristides said:

It's fine to disapprove of some life choices, it is quite another thing to try and control them. Why do you care who gets married? Why do you think you have the right to tell others what they can and cannot do based on your own predjudices? 

I see, so what you're really saying is that once the LGBT community gets everything they want, then the rest of society can do what it needs to do, but only if they work around LGBT. That's absurd, and it's also selfish. 

No, marriage is between man and woman and it needs to stay that way. I expect the SC to overturn the 2015 ruling as well.

Edited July 16, 2023 by Deluge

[CdnFox]

10 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Why do you think you have the right to tell others what they can and cannot do based on your own predjudices? 

Have you asked the drag-queen-storytime people that question?  

[Aristides]

Just now, Deluge said:

I see, so what you're really saying is that once the LGBT community gets everything they want, then the rest of society can work around that. That's absurd, and it's also selfish. 

No, marriage is between man and woman and it needs to stay that way. I expect the SC to overturn the 2015 ruling as well.

What are you having to work around? Who decides to get married is none of your business and has no impact on you.

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

Have you asked the drag-queen-storytime people that question?  

What about them? If you don't want your kids listening to drag queens telling stories, don't take them.

[Hodad]

15 minutes ago, Deluge said:

1. You've got it all backwards. Abortion is legal in anti-freedom Marxist states and so is homosexual marriage. SCOTUS did the right thing in allowing red states (normal states) to make abortion illegal. 

2. The correct, traditional definition of marriage is between man and woman. I expect the SC to overturn that God awful 2015 ruling as well. 

Oh, and there's no bigger shithole than Tenderloin, San Francisco, and that's in the heart of wokejob country.

 

Ah, so your conception of freedom is freedom of the state to incentivize, prescribe and proscribe the behavior of individuals, rather than freedom of the individual. 

It's a very, er, unusual application of the word, but at least we will know what you intend when you use it.

[Aristides]

1 minute ago, Hodad said:

Ah, so your conception of freedom is freedom of the state to incentivize, prescribe and proscribe the behavior of individuals, rather than freedom of the individual. 

It's a very, er, unusual application of the word, but at least we will know what you intend when you use it.

And yet he calls other people Marxists.

[Deluge]

1 minute ago, Aristides said:

What are you having to work around? Who decides to get married is none of your business and has no impact on you.

Surely you're smoking crack. lol

OK, let's get into it: We have to work around the mainstreaming of queers. You know, work around things like homosexual marriage, LGBT books in libraries, Pride displays throughout America's stores, drag queen story hour and drag queens dancing in front of children, gender affirmation in schools, gender reassignment surgeries etc..

Homosexual marriage impacts EVERYONE - it shows that as a nation we really don't give a shit about what works, just about what homosexuals want. I know this is difficult for a stunted pervert like you to understand, but have you noticed that wrong behaviors beget more wrong behaviors? It might be the single worst thing about the democrat party: you can't have just ONE wrong behavior, you have to have them all. 

[Aristides]

9 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Surely you're smoking crack. lol

OK, let's get into it: We have to work around the mainstreaming of queers. You know, work around things like homosexual marriage, LGBT books in libraries, Pride displays throughout America's stores, drag queen story hour and drag queens dancing in front of children, gender affirmation in schools, gender reassignment surgeries etc..

Homosexual marriage impacts EVERYONE - it shows that as a nation we really don't give a shit about what works, just about what homosexuals want. I know this is difficult for a stunted pervert like you to understand, but have you noticed that wrong behaviors beget more wrong behaviors? It might be the single worst thing about the democrat party: you can't have just ONE wrong behavior, you have to have them all. 

So you don't have to work around anything other than your own bigotry. 

[Deluge]

10 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Ah, so your conception of freedom is freedom of the state to incentivize, prescribe and proscribe the behavior of individuals, rather than freedom of the individual. 

It's a very, er, unusual application of the word, but at least we will know what you intend when you use it.

We've seen what your idea of freedom brings, and it doesn't work. Let's check it out, again.

 

1 minute ago, Aristides said:

So you don't have to work around anything other than your own bigotry. 

There is no bigotry over here. 

There is, however, shitloads of wrong behaviors over there, and we're going to help you fix it.

[Hodad]

20 minutes ago, Aristides said:

And yet he calls other people Marxists.

Eh, for most Americans the vocabulary of political philosophy are just "words" in a binary glossary. Some are bad and should be pointed at things with which you disagree, and some are good, and must be appended to the things with which you agree. The meanings are irrelevant, because they have no intention of employing them in actual thoughtful discourse. Details, details.

[Deluge]

30 minutes ago, Aristides said:

What about them? If you don't want your kids listening to drag queens telling stories, don't take them.

I don't want drag queens in public places. If they want to gyrate in front of kids or read them stories, then they and the kids' abusive parents can do that in privately owned places - though we should probably make that shit illegal too. 

Edited July 16, 2023 by Deluge

[Aristides]

3 minutes ago, Deluge said:

I don't want drag queens in public places. If they want to gyrate in front of kids or read them stories, then they and the kids' abusive parents can do that in privately owned places - though we should probably make that shit illegal too.

You want to dictate morality to others according to your own religious beliefs. You want a theocracy, a fundamentalist Christian Iran.

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[Deluge]

9 minutes ago, Aristides said:

You want to dictate morality to others according to your own religious beliefs. You want a theocracy, a fundamentalist Christian Iran.

You want to dictate immorality to others according to your own anti-religious beliefs. You want a third world, dystopian nightmare with homosexual rulers. 

Look, it's obvious that we're in the middle of a culture war, and it won't be long before the freedom loving individuals, like me, will have to expel the freedom hating degenerates, like you, from the US. 

Edited July 16, 2023 by Deluge

[Aristides]

1 minute ago, Deluge said:

You want to dictate immorality to others according you your own anti-religious beliefs. You want a third world, dystopian nightmare with homosexual rulers. 

Look, it's obvious that we're in the middle of a culture war, and it won't be long before freedom loving individuals, like me, will have to expel the freedom hating degenerates, like you. 

You  are so freedom loving that you want to take the freedoms of others away and impose your own religious ideology.

[Deluge]

Just now, Aristides said:

You  are so freedom loving that you want to take the freedoms of others away and impose your own religious ideology.

Freedom doesn't mean you do whatever the f*ck you want, when you want. San Francisco is already in the middle of that experiment and it isn't working. 

You have to have rules; you have to have laws. If you don't follow the rules and the laws of decent society then the whole thing blows up like it is in shitholes like Portland and San Francisco. 

[Aristides]

1 minute ago, Deluge said:

Freedom doesn't mean you do whatever the f*ck you want, when you want. San Francisco is already in the middle of that experiment and it isn't working. 

You have to have rules; you have to have laws. If you don't follow the rules and the laws of decent society then the whole thing blows up like it is in shitholes like Portland and San Francisco. 

Explain the relationship between gay marriage and homelessness O Wise One. Explain the relationship between homelessness and homosexuality in general. Enquiring minds want to know.

[Deluge]

Just now, Aristides said:

Explain the relationship between gay marriage and homelessness O Wise One. Explain the relationship between homelessness and homosexuality in general. Enquiring minds want to know.

They both facilitate wrong behaviors. Did I not instruct you that wrong behaviors beget more wrong behaviors? Where one wrong behavior is established, the rest are sure to follow.

[Aristides]

1 minute ago, Deluge said:

They both facilitate wrong behaviors. Did I not instruct you that wrong behaviors beget more wrong behaviors? Where one wrong behavior is established, the rest are sure to follow.

So you can't. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

What about them? If you don't want your kids listening to drag queens telling stories, don't take them.

If you don't take them you'll be shamed by the schools and supporters and so will your kids. If they refuse to wear pride gear your kid may even be suspended.

They are ALL ABOUT forcing their beliefs and prejudices on people.

Funny how you're kind of ok with it when it's people you want to support.

Frankly i'm normally quite supportive of gays etc, and happy to let them do their thing and i'll do mine and we can share the stuff we have in common.

But these days - that is NOT what's happening.

[Aristides]

15 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

If you don't take them you'll be shamed by the schools and supporters and so will your kids. If they refuse to wear pride gear your kid may even be suspended.

They are ALL ABOUT forcing their beliefs and prejudices on people.

Funny how you're kind of ok with it when it's people you want to support.

Frankly i'm normally quite supportive of gays etc, and happy to let them do their thing and i'll do mine and we can share the stuff we have in common.

But these days - that is NOT what's happening.

I think those things are worthy of discussion but passing laws to prevent them is not.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

I think those things are worthy of discussion but passing laws to prevent them is not.

You don't believe in laws to preserve people's rights?

I should have the right to say if my kids do or do not participate in pride without fear or hatred or bigotry turned against me.  Frankly - if it wasn't for the nudity and serialization of children i'd be fine with it entirely, but that should be my choice.

I woudln't have thought it necessary a few years ago but nowadays - i'm beginning to see that we DO need some laws to protect people against prejudice and bigotry and hatred if they don't want to participate in the celebration of these things

[Deluge]

2 hours ago, Aristides said:

So you can't. 

I already have. 

Edited July 16, 2023 by Deluge

[BeaverFever]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

If you don't take them you'll be shamed by the schools and supporters and so will your kids. If they refuse to wear pride gear your kid may even be suspended.

I’ve never known a single person who took their kids to pride and I never plan to myself. I’ve never heard of a single person who was “shamed” for not doing so either.   I’ve also never heard of anyone getting a suspended for not wearing pride gear. I know there are some anecdotes out there that we’ve discussed on this board but they’re entirely different than what is described here. 

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

I’ve never known a single person who took their kids to pride and I never plan to myself. I’ve never heard of a single person who was “shamed” for not doing so either.  

Well that sounds like a nice cozy rock you're living under   Several stories were posted here about it.  And that's what's sparking the blow back against pride where parents are letting their kids stomp on the pride flag in demonstrations. If your kid is in school they have to participate, and the only way to avoid that is keep them home.  Some ontario schools saw 40 -60 percent of the students kept home.  So those kids are chased out of their school because gay people want their own day where everyone has to participate. Is there a hetero day where gay children and children of gay parents have to wear "Thank a heterosexual that you're here" paraphernalia?   No? Hmm.

It's not anecdotes.  It's a serious issue that has parents up in arms and is creating very serious rfits  that WERE NOT THERE before.

Gays were accepted. Now- that's not enough. They want the right to waive their penises in the face of children in public and they want to force people to participate in their activities and celebrate them, not just accept them.  That's wrong.

 

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Well that sounds like a nice cozy rock you're living under   Several stories were posted here about it.  And that's what's sparking the blow back against pride where parents are letting their kids stomp on the pride flag in demonstrations. If your kid is in school they have to participate, and the only way to avoid that is keep them home.  Some ontario schools saw 40 -60 percent of the students kept home.  So those kids are chased out of their school because gay people want their own day where everyone has to participate. Is there a hetero day where gay children and children of gay parents have to wear "Thank a heterosexual that you're here" paraphernalia?   No? Hmm.

It's not anecdotes.  It's a serious issue that has parents up in arms and is creating very serious rfits  that WERE NOT THERE before.

Gays were accepted. Now- that's not enough. They want the right to waive their penises in the face of children in public and they want to force people to participate in their activities and celebrate them, not just accept them.  That's wrong.

 

No you’re being dishonest. Your original comment was about parents supposedly being admonished for not taking kids to drag queen story time (and presumably other pride events). That is not a thing happens.  
 

Now you’re talking about kids skipping school assemblies which is something totally different than your original point. Kids are not allowed to skip class or school assemblies without parental permission, that’s nothing new. I’ve never heard about parents being admonished for choosing to keeping their kids home  - it’s only been an issue where kids are skipping without parental permission. 
 

Your “hetero day” question is ridiculous. Pride days are about including gay people as equals and combating homophobia and discrimination   What would a “hetero day” be about except about promoting homophobia and discrimination?

Your suggestion that were no rifts before is ridiculous (something you’ve also hilariously suggested about racial tensions also). Racism and Homophobia didn’t magically disappear the day these marginalized people won legal protections in court despite conservative attempts to invoke the notwithstanding clause. There were always rifts, what has changed is that the latest generation of activists are bolder and more vocal than previous generations. One reason is that the older generations of gay people, blacks immigrants etc who won the fist wave of rights grew up in an era where blatant overt discrimination and mistreatment was permissible and “normal” attitudes of the day did not consider them equal citizens. Therefore they have a different baseline expectation and tolerance for ongoing discrimination compared to later generations who were born with the understanding that they were free equal and equal citizens in every respect   Whereas the older generation would say “things haven’t fully improved but they’re better than they used to be” the younger generation says “F this, I’m a citizen just like anyone else and don’t have to stand for this sh1t”