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I’ve asked and been given permission to post this:

I'm a high school student from Toronto. Right now, I'm conducting a survey that will determine the most significant factors shaping political support among Canadians aged 18-35 with right-wing and/or populist views. If you fit these criteria and are open to discussing your political outlook in an anonymous setting, I would love to hear your opinion.

The survey will be conducted entirely online through Google Forms and will take approximately 15-20 minutes to complete. It consists of both multiple-choice and open-ended questions about participants' political views. The survey responses will be kept completely confidential and will not collect any personal information.

If you need additional proof that this is a real research project, or have any questions about my survey, I would be happy to provide info in the comments or at [email protected]!

Link to my survey: https://forms.gle/CK1mpfkFpJi878SK6 

Thanks for your time and consideration!

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What about left wing populist, liberal "for the greater good" "always know better than you what is good for you" beliefs projects?

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If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant

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Yeah, just be governable. Governments simply love it!

You're being governed, they govern (out of your pocket and who do you think else's?) A perfect harmony even idyll.

If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant

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The goal of this research is to determine the most significant factors contributing to right-wing populist political support among Canadians aged 18–35. This could provide insight into current and future Canadian youth voting behaviour. Please read this form carefully, take all the time you need, and ask any questions you may have. 

You make it sound like there's something wrong with the fact that young voters are rejecting the turd. 

Shouldn't you be happy when the student surpasses the master?

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If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed.

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On 2/8/2023 at 6:54 AM, Contrarian said:

I wish you great luck with your project.  ? Consider doing one opposite as well and maybe read this article too: 

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/09/psychological-dimensions-authoritarianism/620185/

From your article;

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Although right-wing authoritarianism is well documented, social psychologists do not all agree that a leftist version even exists. In February 2020, the Society for Personality and Social Psychology held a symposium called “Is Left-Wing Authoritarianism Real? Evidence on Both Sides of the Debate.”

I also view things a little more mechanically and I think power and wealth are much like space and time - one and the same thing.  When broken down into two discrete things and the left is taken to be more concerned about the distribution of wealth it implies the right is more interested in the distribution of power, which seem to be born out in the observations about authoritarianism and the right.  IMO what something does says more about what it is than anything else about it and we use other identifiers like liberal and conservative, to describe how the the left and right do things.  

This being the case I'd have to say there's nothing the least bit liberal about authoritarians who distribute their power so conservatively to others and if there's an argument to be made that Stalin for example is a liberal I'm betting it will be a convoluted one. 

And if the identifiers we use also describe what we are, what are we to make of the term progressive?  The argument has certainly be made that conservatives can be progressive but it seems to have been forgotten by a lot of right-wingers. In the wake of the SNC Lavalin affair I think it's clear that Trudeau is more right-wing than left-wing when it comes to his power.

I think Canadians and North Americans are too easily distracted by issues peculiar to wealth and we need to spend more time considering issues that are peculiar to the other half of the equation.  Something is out of balance and perhaps something more symmetrical is called for.

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I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical,
a liberal, oh fanatical criminal

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20 hours ago, eyeball said:

“Is Left-Wing Authoritarianism Real? Evidence on Both Sides of the Debate.”

"Debate", really? With the factual reality?

Stalin; Mao; Lenin; Cambodia guy; Castro, Maduro; that Nikaragua Sandinista guy, typing not stop right out of my head.

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If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant

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1 hour ago, myata said:

"Debate", really? With the factual reality?

Stalin; Mao; Lenin; Cambodia guy; Castro, Maduro; that Nikaragua Sandinista guy, typing not stop right out of my head.

So you're suggesting these were progressive liberal minded folks - like regular lefties in other words?

I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical,
a liberal, oh fanatical criminal

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1 hour ago, Contrarian said:

will not find reason with me.

Why would you say that?

1 hour ago, Contrarian said:

I know the fringes from the left have better programming/marketing than neo-nazi criminals,

Programming...that's usually for computers. You don't mean brainwashing I hope because that's not actually a real thing.

I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical,
a liberal, oh fanatical criminal

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47 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

the police is available.

That depends on what "is" is.

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18 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

---> I can rant like above all day, to confirm again that you will never find reason on topic, only superficial division the way the fringes do it too, can play this game daily. 

That's okay, I'm pretty sure we're ranting about completely different things. In any case I completely agree that nothing good usually ever comes when anyone has full control - there's certainly no reason to give progressives a pass.

All of the monsters listed above would have me shot on the spot for the measures I'd impose on legislators to force greater accountability and especially transparency  - which would be penetrating and public enough to make Orwell himself blush.

I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical,
a liberal, oh fanatical criminal

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10 hours ago, eyeball said:

So you're suggesting these were progressive liberal minded folks

Suggesting nothing, just trying to understand the meaning of this:

12 hours ago, myata said:

“Is Left-Wing Authoritarianism Real? Evidence on Both Sides of the Debate.”

in the factual perspective of that:

12 hours ago, myata said:

Stalin; Mao; Lenin; Cambodia guy; Castro, Maduro; that Nikaragua Sandinista guy, ...

or was a part of the question left out somehow, "in our alternative Universe"?

If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant

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All I'm saying is that Stalin, Mao et al are about the farthest thing from being the other things they're said to be - progressive or liberal. 

I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical,
a liberal, oh fanatical criminal

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3 hours ago, eyeball said:

progressive or liberal. 

Stalin, a liberal? Is that what professor (with no evidence of left-wing authoritarianism) said? Has to be a fun Universe!

If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant

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1 hour ago, myata said:

Stalin, a liberal? Is that what professor (with no evidence of left-wing authoritarianism) said? Has to be a fun Universe!

According to many people liberals are commies but one look at how conservative Stalin was about sharing his power certainly puts the lie to that misnomer don't you think?

I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical,
a liberal, oh fanatical criminal

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9 hours ago, eyeball said:

certainly puts the lie to that misnomer don't you think?

See, if we forget about the reality (or raise ourselves above it) we can say just about anything (without any connection to it - not necessary, anymore. In our Universe).

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If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant

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1 hour ago, myata said:

See, if we forget about the reality (or raise ourselves above it) we can say just about anything (without any connection to it - not necessary, anymore. In our Universe).

This reminds me of the single word repetition trick.

Pick any word and repeat it over and over again and before you know it you temporarily forget what the word means - your connection to it is literally severed. It's a neat trick that leaves you with the sense that changing your mind is easier than you might think. 

I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical,
a liberal, oh fanatical criminal

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3 hours ago, eyeball said:

changing your mind is easier than you might think

Bah... that was the greatest discovery of humanity that changing mind is easier (and more fun) than the reality around.

If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant

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