HERE'S why gun control fails

reason10 · January 20, 2023

But the entire auto-response that criminals that won't obey laws won't obey laws is pretty moot. As is the gov't claim they will. So it's pretty obvious they can only rule against the supply and choice of guns for everyone. There are laws on the books for actual gun criminals, but they're the one always bargained away in plea deals.

You Nazi gun grabbers are the ones who claim there is such a thing as a law abiding criminal. You claim that if guns are outlawed, somehow that scumbag who was planning a car jacking or a home invasion will just get rid of his gun and get a real job. Do you not understand just how fcking STUPID you sound?

Put a NO GUN ZONE sign on your house and invite the animals. See how well your dumbass gun laws work.

Unfortunately the truth is that if there was an outright 100% ban on handguns, 3/4 of Canadians would support it and most people aren't going to change their votes over 'assault' style weapons if their normal hunting rifle isn't affected.
The entire issue boils down to lacking a consensus on what constitutes an 'assault style' weapon. Not too many are going to back the right to own Uzzis, M16s and A

This is why everybody says liberals are such delusional uneducated imbeciles. You want to ban certain weapons based on how they look. You goose steppers get frightened at a military style rifle like an AR 15, but the 22 long rifle slug has killed more people than any other caliber, (including those found in Uzi and M16.) You worry more about how a weapon LOOKS than its effectiveness. You think there's something comforting in hunting rifles, but a 12 gauge shotgun can complete REMOVE your torso and splatter it against the wall.

Put up that NO GUN IN THIS HOUSE sign and see if the animals to invade your home show up with an expensive and CONSPICUOUS LOOKING AR-15 or a simple Saturday Night Special 32 or 22 pistol.

America is the superior model here because of our Constitution and amendments. I don't ask that those limp wristed, maple syrup slathering (rhymes with Maggots) to accept the laws of another country. But don't get in our face about how somehow your (rhymes with baggy) laws are superior to those of the United States.

Half the world isn't trying to emigrate to your ice box of a country.

Edited January 20, 2023 by reason10

reason10 · January 20, 2023

On 1/17/2023 at 4:04 PM, herbie said:

Laws against murder are useless because murderers won't obey them. So we shouldn't have laws against murder either, eh?

Having laws on the books mean NOTHING if the population is too stupid to follow them.

I really enjoyed you admitting that....

I think you goose steppers are hearing that for the first time. You seem to think criminals will somehow decide to give up a life of crime and sing KUMBAYAH if guns are just outlawed.

Aristides · January 20, 2023

1 hour ago, reason10 said:

There's no control of private sales in Canada either. And we'll wait while you PROVE that ALL guns bought illegally in Canada were illegally smuggled from the United State.

PROVE it or admit you are a LIAR.

There sure as hell is when it comes to hand guns and other restricted weapons. All you need for proof is to ask any Canadian police officer.

https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/firearms/buying-and-selling-transferring-firearms

Edited January 20, 2023 by Aristides

reason10 · January 20, 2023

19 minutes ago, Aristides said:

There sure as hell is when it comes to hand guns and other restricted weapons. All you need for proof is to ask any Canadian police officer.

Like a police officer in the frozen north is going to have data on ALL illegal gun transactions in the United States.

You are making a fool of yourself, with this bull sheet.

Aristides · January 20, 2023

1 minute ago, reason10 said:

Like a police officer in the frozen north is going to have data on ALL illegal gun transactions in the United States.

You are making a fool of yourself, with this bull sheet.

You know shit. Ask any police chief then you twit.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/police-chiefs-handgun-ban-1.5247387

reason10 · January 20, 2023

You know shit. Ask any police chief then you twit.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/police-chiefs-handgun-ban-1.5247387

That link is full of shit. The United States is not the ONLY country shipping illegal items into Canada. And that bullshit link has not shown ANY actual documentation of the illegal guns "allegedly" coming only from the United States.

Those police chiefs are goose stepping lying HACKS.

Aristides · January 20, 2023

6 minutes ago, reason10 said:

You know shit. Ask any police chief then you twit.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/police-chiefs-handgun-ban-1.5247387

That link is full of shit. The United States is not the ONLY country shipping illegal items into Canada. And that bullshit link has not shown ANY actual documentation of the illegal guns "allegedly" coming only from the United States.

Those police chiefs are goose stepping lying HACKS.

Bullshit, we have a 3000 mile long undefended border and you have among the slackest gun laws on the planet.

The chiefs don't just pull things out of their ass like you.

Edited January 20, 2023 by Aristides

reason10 · January 20, 2023

4 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Bullshit, we have a 3000 mile long undefended border and you have among the slackest gun laws on the planet.

The chiefs don't just pull things out of their ass like you.

Those chiefs ARE pulling those lies out of their asses. They have offered ZERO proof of their OPINIONS.

Canada HAS violent gun crime even though it is illegal. Canada HAS illegal gun sales, even though there is a law against it.

And you can't blame the United States for Canada's FAILED policies.

Aristides · January 20, 2023

2 hours ago, reason10 said:

Prove that with a reliable link or admit you are a LIAR.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/homicide_mortality/homicide.htm

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm

Nor do I just pull things out of my ass like you.

You have been shown to be wrong time after time but you are too stupid to shut up.

Edited January 20, 2023 by Aristides

reason10 · January 20, 2023

1 minute ago, Aristides said:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/homicide_mortality/homicide.htm

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm

CDC for violent crime rates? The SAME CDC whose stupidity unleashed the OBAMA VIRUS on the world and let those UNTESTED ANIMALS IN FROM OUR LOWER BORDERS" The CDC that has LIED to America over and over again about Covid.

https://reason.com/2021/09/23/the-cdc-made-americas-pandemic-worse/

The CDC Made America's Pandemic Worse

The pandemic was a test of America's public health bureaucracy. It failed.

Those failures were legion, and they were spread across multiple officials, agencies, and layers of government. But no institution failed quite as abysmally as the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), which, through a combination of arrogance, incompetence, and astonishingly poor planning, wasted America's only chance to mitigate the effects of COVID-19 before it spread widely.

The CDC is supposed to be America's frontline institution in the fight against infectious disease. Its job is to analyze viral threats, track their spread and development, and provide the public with relevant information about how to respond to outbreaks. Not only did the agency do this job poorly in the early stages of the pandemic, but it actively hindered efforts that would have greatly improved America's response, and it made planning errors that were both predictable and avoidable. At nearly every stage of the pandemic, the CDC got things wrong and got in the way. Its failures almost certainly made America's pandemic worse.

And you trust those lying hacks?

When you grow a brain and find a RELIABLE link, try again.

Aristides · January 20, 2023

Your own government isn't a good enough source. You pull out a link to one of your conspiracy sites.

You have gone down your rabbit hole and are a lost cause.

Aristides · January 20, 2023

28 minutes ago, reason10 said:

Those chiefs ARE pulling those lies out of their asses. They have offered ZERO proof of their OPINIONS.

Canada HAS violent gun crime even though it is illegal. Canada HAS illegal gun sales, even though there is a law against it.

And you can't blame the United States for Canada's FAILED policies.

My kid is a police sergeant in a border city that covers over over 20 miles of the US border, most of it rural. His resume includes patrol, ERT (SWAT to you) and drug squad. He knows where the guns are coming from.

reason10 · January 20, 2023

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

My kid is a police sergeant in a border city that covers over over 20 miles of the US border, most of it rural. His resume includes patrol, ERT (SWAT to you) and drug squad. He knows where the guns are coming from.

How does he know? Is it just his OPINION? Does he watch PMSNBC, CNN or any other Nazi rags?

Does he have a track record of making illegal gun busts? Where is his evidence that ALL the guns originate from the United States?

As far as guns originating in the US, there is a list:

https://www.wideopenspaces.com/10-american-gun-companies-proving-the-u-s-makes-the-best-firearms/

While most gunmakers now have factories in the United States, some gun owners are likely looking for genuine American firearms. Here are prominent firearms industry members with roots in America. Each continues proving some of the best guns in the world come from the U.S.

Where is his evidence that the factories who MAKE those firearms are selling them ILLEGALLY to Canadian scumbags? Where is his documentation?

Where in the US Code does it say American criminals are authorized to sell guns to Canadian scumbags? Is your kid a legal scholar?

Bottom line, guns are EVERYWHERE. The ONLY ones who are at fault are those who are BREAKING THE LAW. The United States as a country is NOT responsible for Canadian scumbags getting their hands on American firearms, (although our unelected Racist Pedophile Joe certain spend a few BILLIONS arming countries on the other side of the earth.

Be thankful that Canada is not a terrorist state. swimming in oil. American Democrat presidents would be shipping all kinds of military hardware up your way.

Aristides · January 20, 2023

It's rare that you find someone who flys their ignorance flag so proudly.

My tolerance for fools has limits and you have stretched it farther than most.

Edited January 20, 2023 by Aristides

Aristides · January 20, 2023

https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/us-canada-establish-cross-border-task-force-disrupt-gun-smuggling-and-trafficking

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/25-handguns-hidden-in-gas-tank-seized-at-u-s-canada-border-1.4161604

https://www.borderreport.com/news/top-stories/us-canada-launch-task-force-to-dismantle-gun-smuggling-operations-at-northern-border/

https://www.cbc.ca/news/national-gun-trafficking-straw-buying-smuggling-firearms-1.5126228

https://www.canada.ca/en/border-services-agency/news/2021/11/cbsa-seizes-56-prohibited-firearms-and-makes-an-arrest-at-the-blue-water-bridge-port-of-entry2.html

And it isn't just a problem for Canada

https://warsawinstitute.org/illegal-firearms-flow-u-s-mexican-border/

https://insightcrime.org/news/analysis/2000-illegal-weapons-cross-us-mexico-border-every-day/

https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-21-322

herbie · January 20, 2023

7 hours ago, reason10 said:

PROVE that ALL guns bought illegally in Canada were illegally smuggled from the United State.

Of course ALL weren't. Some were stolen from legal gun owners in Canada. Only like 96% were smuggled across the border, if that makes you feel better.

They're trying to get rid of handguns and ALL the one that would scare a little old lady because they look like military grade weapons and most Canadians don't have an issue with that. So that if we do even see one, we'll stop and point and screech like the Pod People until the cops come and arrest you.

reason10 · January 21, 2023

15 hours ago, herbie said:

Of course ALL weren't. Some were stolen from legal gun owners in Canada. Only like 96% were smuggled across the border, if that makes you feel better.

They're trying to get rid of handguns and ALL the one that would scare a little old lady because they look like military grade weapons and most Canadians don't have an issue with that. So that if we do even see one, we'll stop and point and screech like the Pod People until the cops come and arrest you.

You have given ZERO proof. Just your LYING opinion.

You truly are pathetic.

Aristides · January 21, 2023

2 hours ago, reason10 said:

You have given ZERO proof. Just your LYING opinion.

You truly are pathetic.

I see you haven't changed.

reason10 · January 22, 2023

21 hours ago, Aristides said:

I see you haven't changed.

You haven't changed. You haven't grown any brains.

Aristides · January 22, 2023

2 hours ago, reason10 said:

You haven't changed. You haven't grown any brains.

It's interesting that you have no response to thousands of guns smuggled from the US into Canada and Mexico every year. Your guns laws are pathetic and that makes you the biggest gun runners in the world.

Just another day in Amurica.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/california-mass-shooting-1.6722345

FREEEEDUMM

Edited January 22, 2023 by Aristides

Deluge · January 23, 2023

On 1/17/2023 at 7:40 AM, Aristides said:

Americans certainly don't, they will sell them to anyone.

I don't sell guns, and neither does anyone I know.

Which Americans are you talking about?

Aristides · January 23, 2023

19 minutes ago, Deluge said:

I don't sell guns, and neither does anyone I know.

Which Americans are you talking about?

Any American who wants to. There is very little to stop them.

reason10 · January 23, 2023

On 1/17/2023 at 10:34 AM, Aristides said:

Not stupid at all. There is nowhere easier to legally obtain a gun and it shows in the firearms homicide rate.

All you know how to do is LIE. All you've done in this thread is LIE. You haven't provided ONE reliable link to support your LIES, (mostly because even THE VIEW is not that flagrant.)

reason10 · January 23, 2023

49 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Any American who wants to. There is very little to stop them.

You are a LIAR.

That statement is a LIE.

Gun laws are on the books in every state in the union. ANY American?

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/922

(a) It shall be unlawful—

(1) for any person—

(A)

except a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer, to engage in the business of importing, manufacturing, or dealing in firearms, or in the course of such business to ship, transport, or receive any firearm in interstate or foreign commerce; or

(B)

except a licensed importer or licensed manufacturer, to engage in the business of importing or manufacturing ammunition, or in the course of such business, to ship, transport, or receive any ammunition in interstate or foreign commerce;

(2) for any importer, manufacturer, dealer, or collector licensed under the provisions of this chapter to ship or transport in interstate or foreign commerce any firearm to any person other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector, except that—

(A)

this paragraph and subsection (b)(3) shall not be held to preclude a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector from returning a firearm or replacement firearm of the same kind and type to a person from whom it was received; and this paragraph shall not be held to preclude an individual from mailing a firearm owned in compliance with Federal, State, and local law to a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector;

(B)

this paragraph shall not be held to preclude a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer from depositing a firearm for conveyance in the mails to any officer, employee, agent, or watchman who, pursuant to the provisions of section 1715 of this title, is eligible to receive through the mails pistols, revolvers, and other firearms capable of being concealed on the person, for use in connection with his official duty; and

And that's just the U.S. Code. It doesn't cover what individual states prohibit.

Admit you are a LIAR. We all know you're a stupid teenager.

But now your lies are all over the place.

Aristides · January 24, 2023

Window dressing.

Your laws are pathetic. Federal background checks reject 2% of applicants. The federal data base depends on states and the military supplying the data and it is very spotty. Less than a third of state warrants are on the federal data base. If the feds don't answer a background check within 3 days, the gun can be sold anyway. Unless the data base flags a buyer nothing happens. No real check is done, it can't be in 3 days.

In Canada, you have to take a course and pass a test before you can even apply to get a possession permit (PAL) and you need one to own any firearm. It takes and average of 45 days to be approved while they do a real check of your history. To get a possession permit for a restricted weapon (handgun etc) is more difficult and takes longer. You cannot get a permit to carry one. All restricted weapons are registered and you cannot sell any firearm to a person that doesn't have a valid PAL. At any time, the police can come to your door and ask you to account for any weapons that you have bought and should be in your possession. If you sold a firearm you better have a bill of sale and the person you sold it to better have a valid PAL. I think that is very rare unless a gun has been used in a crime but it is always a possibility.

Your firearms laws are largely window dressing.

https://www.thetrace.org/2015/07/gun-background-check-nics-guide/

Edited January 24, 2023 by Aristides