Biden breaks the law, concerning classified documents, and it's TRUMP'S FAULT?

[reason10]

You can't make this schit up, boys and girls.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/biden-aides-blame-trump-making-them-feel-weird-about-transition-as-documents-mishandled-report

Biden aides blame Trump for making them feel 'weird' about transition as documents were mishandled: report

Another set of classified documents were found in the garage of Biden's Wilmington, Delaware home on Wednesday

According to CNN, the documents seemed to be misplaced amid the chaos of the transition from the Obama to Trump presidencies. The report noted, "Partly to wrap up his policy portfolios, partly to tout his accomplishments, and partly to occupy himself following the death of his son a year earlier, Biden thrust himself into work in a final sprint to mark what then appeared to be the end of a four-decade run at the highest levels of government."

With Biden’s office being occupied until the last minute, the piece stated, "Aides scrambled to pack up his workspaces in the West Wing, the Eisenhower Executive Office Building and at his official residence, the Naval Observatory."

CNN spoke to some unnamed sources familiar with the last days, one of which admitted, "It was just a really, really weird time for everyone."

The report further described the transition as such: "The looming arrival of Trump to the White House left many of Obama and Biden’s aides wary of the future and eager to cement many of their accomplishments." Sources said it was "an uneasy moment."

It declared, "Those competing objectives – to use his office until the final minutes even as it was obliged to shut down – made for a muddled and hurried process that left aides packing boxes of documents and papers late into the night, even as more material kept arriving."

And just to bring you up to speed on Unelected Joe's exposure to legal issues:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1924

(a)

Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both.

(b)

For purposes of this section, the provision of documents and materials to the Congress shall not constitute an offense under subsection (a).

(c)

In this section, the term “classified information of the United States” means information originated, owned, or possessed by the United States Government concerning the national defense or foreign relations of the United States that has been determined pursuant to law or Executive order to require protection against unauthorized disclosure in the interests of national security.

 

Yes, Unelected Joe is a criminal. He has committed a crime.

 

 

[TreeBeard]

Investigate him and prosecute.  The steps aren’t that confusing.  

 

When it was Trump, you sure didn’t think he did anything wrong.  

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, reason10 said:

You can't make this schit up, boys and girls.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/biden-aides-blame-trump-making-them-feel-weird-about-transition-as-documents-mishandled-report

 

According to CNN, the documents seemed to be misplaced amid the chaos of the transition from the Obama to Trump presidencies. The report noted, "Partly to wrap up his policy portfolios, partly to tout his accomplishments, and partly to occupy himself following the death of his son a year earlier, Biden thrust himself into work in a final sprint to mark what then appeared to be the end of a four-decade run at the highest levels of government."

With Biden’s office being occupied until the last minute, the piece stated, "Aides scrambled to pack up his workspaces in the West Wing, the Eisenhower Executive Office Building and at his official residence, the Naval Observatory."

CNN spoke to some unnamed sources familiar with the last days, one of which admitted, "It was just a really, really weird time for everyone."

The report further described the transition as such: "The looming arrival of Trump to the White House left many of Obama and Biden’s aides wary of the future and eager to cement many of their accomplishments." Sources said it was "an uneasy moment."

It declared, "Those competing objectives – to use his office until the final minutes even as it was obliged to shut down – made for a muddled and hurried process that left aides packing boxes of documents and papers late into the night, even as more material kept arriving."

And just to bring you up to speed on Unelected Joe's exposure to legal issues:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1924

(a)

Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both.

(b)

For purposes of this section, the provision of documents and materials to the Congress shall not constitute an offense under subsection (a).

(c)

In this section, the term “classified information of the United States” means information originated, owned, or possessed by the United States Government concerning the national defense or foreign relations of the United States that has been determined pursuant to law or Executive order to require protection against unauthorized disclosure in the interests of national security.

 

Yes, Unelected Joe is a criminal. He has committed a crime.

 

 

YOU NOT KNOWING HOW TO READ the BOLDED is the CRIME HERE.

The BOLDED is why Trump has NOT been charged YET. 

㊙️ it is difficult, but not impossible, to PROVE INTENT and KNOWINGLY.

Edited January 13, 2023 by robosmith

[robosmith]

6 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

There is a special counsel which went to Harvard and Stanford (not in Florida), that will investigate the allegations.

And if he broke the law, very good, let the process be the same. Trump and Biden. 

Anyhow, the Real American, he is not a fake one which supports insurrectionists, his name is Robert K. Hur, he served under Trump by the way, but he is a professional indeed:

"The process be the same" means Biden cannot be charged until he is out of office.

[robosmith]

2 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

Yah well, robo, let's hope this is the rest of them (issues with Biden's not remembering what else he did). Your party has issues finding a strong centrist candidate so they run a 81 year old man that keeps CLASSIFIED documents in a locked garage beside a Corvette. The star of your party is AOC in terms of Marketing. She is unelectable. 

Pelosi might have kept the progressive wing not to become mainstream as Trumpism became on the Republican side but she never promoted any younger centrist Democrats to step forward.  

This whole situation made the presidential elections even more unpredictable. Biden with this scandal, Kamala Harris is not doing anything, this administration seems weakened.  

^STILL NO EVIDENCE that Biden knew there were classified documents in those boxes (since he obviously didn't pack them).

This is not really a scandal, because of ^this FACT and the probability that NO INTENT will be provable.

Do you know ANYTHING about US LAW? Like why it's taken so long to charge Trump even after his INTENT has become OBVIOUS.

[reason10]

52 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Investigate him and prosecute.  The steps aren’t that confusing.  

 

When it was Trump, you sure didn’t think he did anything wrong.  

No wrongdoing was ever even close to being proved. Trump was illegally impeached TWICE for ZERO wrongdoing, so obviously there was no case to be made.

[reason10]

41 minutes ago, robosmith said:

YOU NOT KNOWING HOW TO READ the BOLDED is the CRIME HERE.

The BOLDED is why Trump has NOT been charged YET. 

㊙️ it is difficult, but not impossible, to PROVE INTENT and KNOWINGLY.

Earth to knucklehead: The thread is not about anybody being charged. How about growing a brain and sticking to the subject of the thread, or make another thread with the subject you want?

You REALLY would flunk Third Grade reading comprehension in Florida, for sure.

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Contrarian said:

Listen, please, don't play the lawyer game with me. 

Why not? This a legal issue and being indicted carries far more weight than RUMORS.

1 hour ago, Contrarian said:

I am talking strictly from a marketing, visual effect (FOR THE NEXT ELECTION), this has gotten to the every day folk in front of their TV.

Sure it has. But only those who listen to Fox blowhards lying don't know the details.

1 hour ago, Contrarian said:

 

Don't tell me people aren't starting to ask themselves questions about the reliability of keeping an 81 year old man in the office that keeps CLASSIFIED documents beside his Corvette and when asked by a report he says: "But it was locked!"

I'll give you  a pass for misquoting Biden cause you were CLOSE. 

The CONTRAST was with Trump's documents which weren't even locked and many people had access to them.

Did you pick up on that?

1 hour ago, Contrarian said:

Try to think politically, not just like a soldier defending your side only. He lost more than a few % with this scandal in my opinion.

IMO, the ONLY people he "lost" were Fox "News" viewers who likely would not vote for him anyway.

They are the ones who hear only half of the story like you.

1 hour ago, Contrarian said:

---> I hope the republicans don't try something dumb to try to impeach a President during wartime. 

You can bet they will. Dumb is their favorite play right now.

Edited January 13, 2023 by robosmith

[robosmith]

32 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

Of course you believe that, because you are a left wing idealist, probably part of the Bernie Sanders fanbase that does not see the big picture. Was I close? ?

Nope, I voted for Warren and then Joe cause I am a PRAGMATIST and Liz established the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, which has helped me deal with big Banks' fraud.

32 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

So of course in your bubble, you think this is not a big deal, but highly doubt the overall perception is like that for the average voter. 

It all depends on where they get their news. The more sources, the better.

Fox will never tell them the details about the differences between Trump's and Joe's handling of classified documents because they are "all the lies, all the time" propaganda source, NOT NEWS.

32 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

Be positive, your Governor has a chance to be the next President now. 

He always had a chance and still does.

32 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

You are correct about the quote: 

“My Corvette is in a locked garage, OK? So it’s not like they’re sitting out on the street,” Biden replied. 

Did you understand the reference before I explained it?

Edited January 13, 2023 by robosmith

[Rebound]

5 hours ago, reason10 said:

You can't make this schit up, boys and girls.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/biden-aides-blame-trump-making-them-feel-weird-about-transition-as-documents-mishandled-report

Biden aides blame Trump for making them feel 'weird' about transition as documents were mishandled: report

Another set of classified documents were found in the garage of Biden's Wilmington, Delaware home on Wednesday

According to CNN, the documents seemed to be misplaced amid the chaos of the transition from the Obama to Trump presidencies. The report noted, "Partly to wrap up his policy portfolios, partly to tout his accomplishments, and partly to occupy himself following the death of his son a year earlier, Biden thrust himself into work in a final sprint to mark what then appeared to be the end of a four-decade run at the highest levels of government."

With Biden’s office being occupied until the last minute, the piece stated, "Aides scrambled to pack up his workspaces in the West Wing, the Eisenhower Executive Office Building and at his official residence, the Naval Observatory."

CNN spoke to some unnamed sources familiar with the last days, one of which admitted, "It was just a really, really weird time for everyone."

The report further described the transition as such: "The looming arrival of Trump to the White House left many of Obama and Biden’s aides wary of the future and eager to cement many of their accomplishments." Sources said it was "an uneasy moment."

It declared, "Those competing objectives – to use his office until the final minutes even as it was obliged to shut down – made for a muddled and hurried process that left aides packing boxes of documents and papers late into the night, even as more material kept arriving."

And just to bring you up to speed on Unelected Joe's exposure to legal issues:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1924

(a)

Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both.

(b)

For purposes of this section, the provision of documents and materials to the Congress shall not constitute an offense under subsection (a).

(c)

In this section, the term “classified information of the United States” means information originated, owned, or possessed by the United States Government concerning the national defense or foreign relations of the United States that has been determined pursuant to law or Executive order to require protection against unauthorized disclosure in the interests of national security.

 

Yes, Unelected Joe is a criminal. He has committed a crime.

 

 

“knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials..”

Can a prosecutor prove that Biden KNEW the documents were being removed and, since Biden returned them immediately upon their discovery, prove that Biden INTENDED to keep the documents?  No way, UNLESS a credible witness comes forward to that effect.
 

OTOH: Did Trump KNOW that the three palettes of documents were being removed? YES. Some were right in his desk drawer. He KNEW he had the documents.  Did Trump INTEND TO KEEP the documents? YES. Clearly, because the Archives asked him to return them many times, got a court order seeking their return, we’re lied to, and then he even sued to keep the classified documents which weren’t his.  That is INTENT. 

Edited January 13, 2023 by Rebound

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, reason10 said:

Earth to knucklehead: The thread is not about anybody being charged. How about growing a brain and sticking to the subject of the thread, or make another thread with the subject you want?

You REALLY would flunk Third Grade reading comprehension in Florida, for sure.

IRONIC that you post ^this DEFLECTION AFTER not understanding what YOUR OWN CITE SAYS. LMAO

You're the one who made this about the LAW YOU POSTED. Grow up.

[Moonbox]

2 hours ago, Contrarian said:

Don't tell me people aren't starting to ask themselves questions about the reliability of keeping an 81 year old man in the office that keeps CLASSIFIED documents beside his Corvette and when asked by a report he says: "But it was locked!"

If his opposition is a 78 year old man who still uses spray-tanner, the question is moot.  

[reason10]

7 hours ago, Rebound said:

“knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials..”

Can a prosecutor prove that Biden KNEW the documents were being removed and, since Biden returned them immediately upon their discovery, prove that Biden INTENDED to keep the documents?  No way, UNLESS a credible witness comes forward to that effect.
 

OTOH: Did Trump KNOW that the three palettes of documents were being removed? YES. Some were right in his desk drawer. He KNEW he had the documents.  Did Trump INTEND TO KEEP the documents? YES. Clearly, because the Archives asked him to return them many times, got a court order seeking their return, we’re lied to, and then he even sued to keep the classified documents which weren’t his.  That is INTENT. 

You are trying to spin this. And you are full of schitt. Biden is a criminal. He is on video admitted to international extortion, threatening to withhold American tax dollars to Ukraine if they refuse to fire the prosecutor who was investigating the company that hired his son.

Unelected Joe is a criminal. PERIOD.

Trump is the best president of the 21st Century. He committed NO crime whatsoever.