Iteration Posted October 24, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2022 @TreeBeard No, no, you will not dodge the question. Yes the question is a hypothetical, and this does not matter so long as the situation is logically possible, because it is an extension of your own argument. If a woman were to randomly transport your mom into her body for fun, should she be allowed to kill her, yes or no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeBeard Posted October 24, 2022 Report Share Posted October 24, 2022 15 minutes ago, Iteration said: @TreeBeard No, no, you will not dodge the question. Yes the question is a hypothetical, and this does not matter so long as the situation is logically possible, because it is an extension of your own argument. If a woman were to randomly transport your mom into her body for fun, should she be allowed to kill her, yes or no? It’s an asinine question and I am avoiding it. Let’s talk about abortion directly without the stupidity. Can you do that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iteration Posted October 24, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2022 @TreeBeard No, you will NOT dodge the question. You don't get to run away just because you are in a corner. You stated that "yes," a woman be allowed to place someone who has rights into her body, and kill them.If a woman were to randomly transport your mom into her body for fun, should she be allowed to kill her, yes or no? Stop dodging the question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeBeard Posted October 24, 2022 Report Share Posted October 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, Iteration said: @TreeBeard No, you will NOT dodge the question. You don't get to run away just because you are in a corner. You stated that "yes," a woman be allowed to place someone who has rights into her body, and kill them.If a woman were to randomly transport your mom into her body for fun, should she be allowed to kill her, yes or no? Stop dodging the question. Your premise is bullshit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iteration Posted October 24, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2022 @TreeBeard Stop. Do not dodge the question. You know you are in a corner and you are embarrassing yourself. Answer the question. You stated that "yes," a woman be allowed to place someone who has rights into her body, and kill them.If a woman were to randomly transport your mom into her body for fun, should she be allowed to kill her, yes or no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeBeard Posted October 24, 2022 Report Share Posted October 24, 2022 Just now, Iteration said: @TreeBeard Stop. Do not dodge the question. You know you are in a corner and you are embarrassing yourself. Answer the question. You stated that "yes," a woman be allowed to place someone who has rights into her body, and kill them.If a woman were to randomly transport your mom into her body for fun, should she be allowed to kill her, yes or no? Woman are not allowed to randomly transport my mom anywhere. Transporting without consent is illegal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iteration Posted October 24, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2022 @TreeBeard I will just repeat the question. You will not dodge it. You stated that "yes," a woman be allowed to place someone who has rights into her body, and kill them.If a woman were to randomly transport your mom into her body for fun, should she be allowed to kill her, yes or no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeBeard Posted October 24, 2022 Report Share Posted October 24, 2022 1 minute ago, Iteration said: You will not dodge it. Already done and dodged. Now, let’s talk about abortion in reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iteration Posted October 24, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2022 (edited) @TreeBeard I will give you three chances to answer the question. If you continue to run away you will subsequently be ignored as I will conclude you are a dishonest coward. Chance #1 to answer the question: You stated that "yes," a woman be allowed to place someone who has rights into her body, and kill them.If a woman were to randomly transport your mom into her body for fun, should she be allowed to kill her, yes or no? Edited October 24, 2022 by Iteration Spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeBeard Posted October 24, 2022 Report Share Posted October 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Iteration said: @TreeBeard I will give you three chances to answer the question. If you continue to run away you will subsequently be ignored as I will conclude you are a dishonest coward. Chance #1 to answer the question: You stated that "yes," a woman be allowed to place someone who has rights into her body, and kill them.If a woman were to randomly transport your mom into her body for fun, should she be allowed to kill her, yes or no? Teleporting my mom should be illegal without my mom’s consent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iteration Posted October 25, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 @TreeBeard Chance #2 to answer the question: You stated that "yes," a woman be allowed to place someone who has rights into her body, and kill them.If a woman were to randomly transport your mom into her body for fun, should she be allowed to kill her, yes or no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeBeard Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Iteration said: @TreeBeard Chance #2 to answer the question: You stated that "yes," a woman be allowed to place someone who has rights into her body, and kill them.If a woman were to randomly transport your mom into her body for fun, should she be allowed to kill her, yes or no? I’m giving you 37 chances to answer the following question. Don’t avoid it. Or else. Are you capable of making an argument on the actual topic, or is this nonsensical attempt at a “gotcha” question your only schtick? Edited October 25, 2022 by TreeBeard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iteration Posted October 25, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 (edited) @TreeBeard Chance #3 to answer the question: You stated that "yes," a woman be allowed to place someone who has rights into her body, and kill them.If a woman were to randomly transport your mom into her body for fun, should she be allowed to kill her, yes or no? If you do not answer the question after this, you will be ignored, you dishonest, weaselly coward. Edited October 25, 2022 by Iteration Formatting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted October 26, 2022 Report Share Posted October 26, 2022 (edited) This whole abortion debate always quickly degrades to basic levels. The FACT is...that abortion IS NOT ever mentioned in the US Constitution. THUS...as per the US Constitution, the management of such a subject becomes, by default, the domain of the STATES. That happens to be the FACT of the matter and why Roe was over turned. I know very few, if any, who would force a 10 year old to give birth under any circumstances. But when this debate kicks in, this extreme example is tossed about as some sort of trophy point. IT IS NOT! IMO...abortion has its place in extreme cases. Other than that, any abortion after 15 weeks is plain old murder. This happens to be a widely accepted view point all over Europe and indeed in many states. Some states have a moratorium on all abortions. This is their right as set out in the US Constitution. Should that not be acceptable to the folks who live in these states...do what I would and use your vote to send that message to the state government.! Now...can we all just calm down and try to live within the bounds of REALITY please? Edited October 26, 2022 by Nationalist Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iteration Posted October 26, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2022 @Nationalist I don't care what the constitution mentions, just because something is currently legal does not mean it ought be the case. What is he argument that an unborn should not have rights, but the born should? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted October 26, 2022 Report Share Posted October 26, 2022 33 minutes ago, Iteration said: @Nationalist I don't care what the constitution mentions, just because something is currently legal does not mean it ought be the case. What is he argument that an unborn should not have rights, but the born should? Well...the courts DO care. Look...I sense your concern and I will always defend your right to your point of view. IMO...the argument would be that the "born" are well into their lives where as the "unborn" have hardly started yet. I know that's a weak argument but...it is what it is. To be "fair", we really do have to consider both sides of this debate. Its called "compromise" and it seems to work out rather well. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iteration Posted October 26, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2022 @Nationalist As I stated, I don't care what the constitution mentions, just because something is currently legal does not mean it ought be the case. Quote ...the argument would be that the "born" are well into their lives where as the "unborn" have hardly started yet. Okay, so is wrong to stab a 1 day old child because their lives have hardly started? If not, then what defines "hardly started?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted October 26, 2022 Report Share Posted October 26, 2022 13 minutes ago, Iteration said: @Nationalist As I stated, I don't care what the constitution mentions, just because something is currently legal does not mean it ought be the case. Okay, so is wrong to stab a 1 day old child because their lives have hardly started? If not, then what defines "hardly started?" It is abhorrent to stab a 1 day old child. It is also COMPLETELY illegal. Lets not be silly. The reasoning, as I said, is weak. The question of late term abortions is one we should not have be having. IMO...anyone who aborts a baby, including a fetus of 15 weeks or more, better have a life or death reason. The baby's birth better assuredly kill the mother or some wildly extenuating circumstance. I would be willing to compromise like this, but I would still consider the practice monstrous. In fact, I consider every abortion to be monstrous. But again...there's that thing called "compromise". BTW...the law is the law. Banging your head against it will not help anyone. Especially you. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iteration Posted October 26, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2022 (edited) Quote BTW...the law is the law. Wait... So if you woke up the next day, and it turned out all this was a dream, and you lived in a United States where the constitution reserves enslaving black people as a state power, and establishes that raping women is legally permissible, would you believe this should be legal: yes or no? Edited October 26, 2022 by Iteration Emphasis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted October 26, 2022 Report Share Posted October 26, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Iteration said: Wait... So if you woke up the next day, and it turned out all this was a dream, and you lived in a United States where the constitution reserves enslaving black people as a state power, and establishes that raping women is legally permissible, would you believe this should be legal: yes or no? The Declaration of Independence states: Quote We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. ALL MEN. Now lets look at the Constitution: Quote We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. Now...the only way, between these 2 documents, to justify slavery, would have been to argue that black folks are not "men" or even "human". That was and is an obvious lie. Thus...the law of the land eventually prevailed. In other words...the law did NOT require changing. Thus none of what you've said was never legal. Edited October 26, 2022 by Nationalist Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iteration Posted October 26, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2022 (edited) @Nationalist You may not know me too well, but when I see someone go on an incoherent ramble to avoid my question, I don't let them run way, I press the question. So lets try and repeat the question that you dodged. Suppose you woke up the next day and your current reality was just a dream. Instead, you lived in a United States where the constitution reserves enslaving black people as a state power, and establishes that raping women is legally permissible, would you believe this should be legal: yes or no? Edited October 26, 2022 by Iteration Directness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted October 26, 2022 Report Share Posted October 26, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Iteration said: @Nationalist You may not know me too well, but when I see someone go on an incoherent ramble to avoid my question, I don't let them run way, I press the question. So lets try and repeat the question that you dodged. OK I'll be as plain as I possibly can...for you. You asked: Quote So if you woke up the next day, and it turned out all this was a dream, and you lived in a United States where the constitution reserves enslaving black people as a state power, and establishes that raping women is legally permissible, would you believe this should be legal: yes or no? My answer is NO. My reason for that answer, as I tried in vain to explain, is that neither was EVER LEGAL. They were both completely ILLEGAL. Do you comprehend now? Edited October 26, 2022 by Nationalist Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iteration Posted October 26, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2022 @Nationalist Okay, so you agree that just because something is currently legal, that does not mean you believe it should be legal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted October 26, 2022 Report Share Posted October 26, 2022 Just now, Iteration said: @Nationalist Okay, so you agree that just because something is currently legal, that does not mean you believe it should be legal? OMG you misunderstood completely. Dude...SLAVERY WAS NEVER LEGAL! NOR WAS BEATING WIVES! THE LAWS DID NOT NEED TO CHANGE! Very much like...the abortion laws. They were never IN the Constitution and the same Constitution stipulates that anything not given expressly to the feds, goes by default to the states.! THERE IS NO LAW TO BE CHANGED AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL...Do you understand this? Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iteration Posted October 26, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2022 @Nationalist If slavery was perfectly legal and permissible in the United States, would you have supported it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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