Correcting ideology:

[reason10]

I put up with this because I'm convinced so many left wingers here are teenagers who have never experienced anything other than THE VIEW and MSNBC. It seems like few people here even understand liberals and conservatives.

Terms like Conservative and LIberal have evolved over at least a 90 year period of time.

The original LIBERAL ideology was one of laiseez-faire free market capitalism, with very limited government. The great economists of our time (Ludwig Von Mises, Milton Friedman, Friedrich Hayek, etc) referred to themselves as liberals.

An original libertarian by the name of Ayn Rand was very critical of conservatism, believing the ideology was very stubborn, very backward looking and never wanting to make any changes. That was about right.

In the early Sixties (and my source for a lot of this was Slouching Towards Gommorrah, by Judge Robert Bork), an incident happened that completely flipped the liberal script. It was called the Port Huron Statement. It created the legions of radical left wingers (Abbie Hoffman, Jerry Rubin, Bobby Seale, et al) Over the years since that incident liberalism has moved further and further to the planks of the Communist Manifest. (Liberals, give it a read. You'll like it. Only sixty pages and there's a lot there you'll agree with.)

Modern day conservatism came by way of William F. Buckley, (arguably the most intelligent man of the Twentieth Century) He pioneered this merger of liberty, free market capitalism and the rule of law. It was Ronald Reagan (one of the greatest presidents in history) who became almost the figurehead for modern conservatism, as he utilized the ideas of some of the most brilliant economists of their day to craft an economic plan that would raise the American economy from the misery index he inherited from Jimmy Carter, and produce the best and fastest growing economy of the 20th Century.

By the late 80s, some journalist figures took great risks to their careers by embracing conservatism, including Rush Limbaugh, who became a multi millionaire with a simple AM radio talk show that reached more markets than any other. 

Close to the turn of the century, liberalism was REALLY going off the rails in the realm of the ridiculous. Two terms of Barak Obama (who had about as much business in the Oval Office as a hospital janitor would have performing open heart surgery) pushed the most extremist, socialist left wing agenda of all time. Backlash to that extremism led to the landslide electoral victory of Donald Trump, someone conservatives were afraid might be too liberal for that office.

They were wrong. Trump's brilliant ideology, business sense and leadership gave America the greatest economy of all, secure shores, domestic energy independence and PEACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST.

How did liberals respond?

Riots in major cities. Calls to defund the police. Calls for gender reassignment surgery in children. Open borders.

Thus we have the evolution of liberalism and conservatism.

Right now, most of America is mainstream conservative, not necessarily because most people have done the research I've done, but because, according to brilliant journalist/pundit Ben Shapiro "Democrats have lost their f..ing minds."

If you'd like to go down the list of issues that define conservatism versus far left woke-ism, that's what I'm here for.

[herbie]

You're American. You don't even have a party of the left. You gotta yap endlessly among yourselves to convince yourselves one is.

[Michael Hardner]

14 hours ago, reason10 said:

 Trump's brilliant ideology, business sense and leadership gave America the greatest economy of all, secure shores, domestic energy independence and PEACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST. 

You're new here.  Your posts are interesting, because you seem to (mostly) understand a bit of American history - with exceptions -- and yet you have embraced Trump who is not someone that true conservatives embrace without reservation. 

In fact, the best Conservative poster on here, and my friend on other boards, Argus summarized Trump's business acumen for those of us who DO understood business, who didn't learn it from watching that game show Trump hosted "The Apprentice":

Yeah, I can. I know something about the stock market. I know something about investment and I know something about business. Trump is famous for operating on his 'gut'. That's not how businessmen operate. Businessmen operate on numbers. It was the fact Trump didn't give a damn about numbers which got his casinos into bankruptcy, which put his airline into bankruptcy, which put his other businesses into bankruptcy. During the negotiations with the bankers over what to do with his businesses, whether to bankrupt everything and take what they could get or try to eke out more money, the bankers decided to let Trump stay in charge for only one reason; he was a great sales guy and promoter. But one of them also said he'd never seen a CEO who had less understanding of or familiarity with the numbers. How much his business cost to operate, how much profit or loss they made, what the margins were, how much he owed, how much his payments were on it, etc. etc. He was a big stupid suit just sitting there while smarter people did the negotiation.

 

Argus was here for YEARS, was intellectually honest and posted with curiosity and without ego.  He would (unlike you, at least so far) admit mistakes.  He finally left in disgust when the populist swarm at MLW infested the forum.  It was a departure similar to how Paul Ryan left the Republican party when Trump "cucked" the Tea Party movement out of existence by overseeing MASSIVE budget deficits in good time to no opposition from them.

Of COURSE times will be good if government continues to spend AND also cuts taxes.  But this is why the Tea Party was created in the term of Obama.  That was all forgotten when Dear Leader appeared.  They were silent.

That's nothing to say of his moral failings (infidelity and payoffs to prostitutes), his inability to understand trade or deal with the massive China trade deficit, his belittling of fellow Republicans, and his general unplanned chaos of mismanagement. 

One of the many insiders caught up in this revolving door mess was John Bolton who described it as "living inside a pinball machine"
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/06/22/bolton-interview-trump-white-house-like-living-pinball-machine/3192006001/

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If we weren't in a Culture War then conscientious conservatives would eschew loyalty and just point these things out, but sadly we are in one.  I believe conservatism is, at its core, adherence to morality, principles and institutions and as such I won't play the game of praising Dear Leader just because Biden is himself a bad president.

Let's see if you turn out to be another egotistical poster who insults, belittles and scoffs at our collective values.  If so, you will find plenty of company here and on my ignore list.

All the best.
 

[Nationalist]

As a Canuck...I'd like to apologize for herbie.

We indulge our kids way too much here...

[reason10]

19 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

You're new here.  Your posts are interesting, because you seem to (mostly) understand a bit of American history - with exceptions -- and yet you have embraced Trump who is not someone that true conservatives embrace without reservation. 

In fact, the best Conservative poster on here, and my friend on other boards, Argus summarized Trump's business acumen for those of us who DO understood business, who didn't learn it from watching that game show Trump hosted "The Apprentice":

Yeah, I can. I know something about the stock market. I know something about investment and I know something about business. Trump is famous for operating on his 'gut'. That's not how businessmen operate. Businessmen operate on numbers. It was the fact Trump didn't give a damn about numbers which got his casinos into bankruptcy, which put his airline into bankruptcy, which put his other businesses into bankruptcy. During the negotiations with the bankers over what to do with his businesses, whether to bankrupt everything and take what they could get or try to eke out more money, the bankers decided to let Trump stay in charge for only one reason; he was a great sales guy and promoter. But one of them also said he'd never seen a CEO who had less understanding of or familiarity with the numbers. How much his business cost to operate, how much profit or loss they made, what the margins were, how much he owed, how much his payments were on it, etc. etc. He was a big stupid suit just sitting there while smarter people did the negotiation.

 

Argus was here for YEARS, was intellectually honest and posted with curiosity and without ego.  He would (unlike you, at least so far) admit mistakes.  He finally left in disgust when the populist swarm at MLW infested the forum.  It was a departure similar to how Paul Ryan left the Republican party when Trump "cucked" the Tea Party movement out of existence by overseeing MASSIVE budget deficits in good time to no opposition from them.

Of COURSE times will be good if government continues to spend AND also cuts taxes.  But this is why the Tea Party was created in the term of Obama.  That was all forgotten when Dear Leader appeared.  They were silent.

That's nothing to say of his moral failings (infidelity and payoffs to prostitutes), his inability to understand trade or deal with the massive China trade deficit, his belittling of fellow Republicans, and his general unplanned chaos of mismanagement. 

One of the many insiders caught up in this revolving door mess was John Bolton who described it as "living inside a pinball machine"
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/06/22/bolton-interview-trump-white-house-like-living-pinball-machine/3192006001/

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If we weren't in a Culture War then conscientious conservatives would eschew loyalty and just point these things out, but sadly we are in one.  I believe conservatism is, at its core, adherence to morality, principles and institutions and as such I won't play the game of praising Dear Leader just because Biden is himself a bad president.

Let's see if you turn out to be another egotistical poster who insults, belittles and scoffs at our collective values.  If so, you will find plenty of company here and on my ignore list.

All the best.
 

A left wing rag's OPINION of the Trump business miracle. What's next? THE VIEW?

In a lot of ways, Trump shares a distinction with Ronald Reagan. The Republican country club establishment didn't like either one of these amazing individuals. And they BOTH gave America great economies and a safer world.

And all USA Today can do is lie about the Trump past?

[reason10]

21 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

You're new here.  Your posts are interesting, because you seem to (mostly) understand a bit of American history - with exceptions -- and yet you have embraced Trump who is not someone that true conservatives embrace without reservation. 

In fact, the best Conservative poster on here, and my friend on other boards, Argus summarized Trump's business acumen for those of us who DO understood business, who didn't learn it from watching that game show Trump hosted "The Apprentice":

Yeah, I can. I know something about the stock market. I know something about investment and I know something about business. Trump is famous for operating on his 'gut'. That's not how businessmen operate. Businessmen operate on numbers. It was the fact Trump didn't give a damn about numbers which got his casinos into bankruptcy, which put his airline into bankruptcy, which put his other businesses into bankruptcy. During the negotiations with the bankers over what to do with his businesses, whether to bankrupt everything and take what they could get or try to eke out more money, the bankers decided to let Trump stay in charge for only one reason; he was a great sales guy and promoter. But one of them also said he'd never seen a CEO who had less understanding of or familiarity with the numbers. How much his business cost to operate, how much profit or loss they made, what the margins were, how much he owed, how much his payments were on it, etc. etc. He was a big stupid suit just sitting there while smarter people did the negotiation.

 

Argus was here for YEARS, was intellectually honest and posted with curiosity and without ego.  He would (unlike you, at least so far) admit mistakes.  He finally left in disgust when the populist swarm at MLW infested the forum.  It was a departure similar to how Paul Ryan left the Republican party when Trump "cucked" the Tea Party movement out of existence by overseeing MASSIVE budget deficits in good time to no opposition from them.

Of COURSE times will be good if government continues to spend AND also cuts taxes.  But this is why the Tea Party was created in the term of Obama.  That was all forgotten when Dear Leader appeared.  They were silent.

That's nothing to say of his moral failings (infidelity and payoffs to prostitutes), his inability to understand trade or deal with the massive China trade deficit, his belittling of fellow Republicans, and his general unplanned chaos of mismanagement. 

One of the many insiders caught up in this revolving door mess was John Bolton who described it as "living inside a pinball machine"
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/06/22/bolton-interview-trump-white-house-like-living-pinball-machine/3192006001/

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If we weren't in a Culture War then conscientious conservatives would eschew loyalty and just point these things out, but sadly we are in one.  I believe conservatism is, at its core, adherence to morality, principles and institutions and as such I won't play the game of praising Dear Leader just because Biden is himself a bad president.

Let's see if you turn out to be another egotistical poster who insults, belittles and scoffs at our collective values.  If so, you will find plenty of company here and on my ignore list.

All the best.
 

As far as scoffing at collectivist values, that's precisely what they are. And included in that little Final Solution is a thing called Cancel Culture. I posted about mainstream conservatism, it's roots and how it is shared by most of America. Your immediate reaction was a left wing opinion rag's LIES about President Trump. Most of that post is a lie.

 

But hey, I'm on IGNORE. So you've canceled me. Hope you feel safe. There will be no more dangerous notions designed to actually make you THINK, in your future.

[reason10]

On 10/16/2022 at 7:24 AM, Michael Hardner said:

You're new here.  Your posts are interesting, because you seem to (mostly) understand a bit of American history - with exceptions -- and yet you have embraced Trump who is not someone that true conservatives embrace without reservation. 

In fact, the best Conservative poster on here, and my friend on other boards, Argus summarized Trump's business acumen for those of us who DO understood business, who didn't learn it from watching that game show Trump hosted "The Apprentice":

Yeah, I can. I know something about the stock market. I know something about investment and I know something about business. Trump is famous for operating on his 'gut'. That's not how businessmen operate. Businessmen operate on numbers. It was the fact Trump didn't give a damn about numbers which got his casinos into bankruptcy, which put his airline into bankruptcy, which put his other businesses into bankruptcy. During the negotiations with the bankers over what to do with his businesses, whether to bankrupt everything and take what they could get or try to eke out more money, the bankers decided to let Trump stay in charge for only one reason; he was a great sales guy and promoter. But one of them also said he'd never seen a CEO who had less understanding of or familiarity with the numbers. How much his business cost to operate, how much profit or loss they made, what the margins were, how much he owed, how much his payments were on it, etc. etc. He was a big stupid suit just sitting there while smarter people did the negotiation.

 

Argus was here for YEARS, was intellectually honest and posted with curiosity and without ego.  He would (unlike you, at least so far) admit mistakes.  He finally left in disgust when the populist swarm at MLW infested the forum.  It was a departure similar to how Paul Ryan left the Republican party when Trump "cucked" the Tea Party movement out of existence by overseeing MASSIVE budget deficits in good time to no opposition from them.

Of COURSE times will be good if government continues to spend AND also cuts taxes.  But this is why the Tea Party was created in the term of Obama.  That was all forgotten when Dear Leader appeared.  They were silent.

That's nothing to say of his moral failings (infidelity and payoffs to prostitutes), his inability to understand trade or deal with the massive China trade deficit, his belittling of fellow Republicans, and his general unplanned chaos of mismanagement. 

One of the many insiders caught up in this revolving door mess was John Bolton who described it as "living inside a pinball machine"
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/06/22/bolton-interview-trump-white-house-like-living-pinball-machine/3192006001/

-------

If we weren't in a Culture War then conscientious conservatives would eschew loyalty and just point these things out, but sadly we are in one.  I believe conservatism is, at its core, adherence to morality, principles and institutions and as such I won't play the game of praising Dear Leader just because Biden is himself a bad president.

Let's see if you turn out to be another egotistical poster who insults, belittles and scoffs at our collective values.  If so, you will find plenty of company here and on my ignore list.

All the best.
 

 Most of what has been said about Trump has been a lie. But the Never Trumper movement has proven that when Democrats circle the wagons, Republicans circle the firing squad. Conservatives like Ben Shapiro vote AGAINST Trump, worrying he would move too far to the left. Then Shapiro had to admit that President Trump's policies were Reaganesque to the letter. His record was close as well, (meaning better than any Democrat.)

But conservatives are funny that way. We can't even agree on lunch.

Those who bash Trump and make up those  "bankruptcy" lies about him probably have no idea that he is the one who created THIS international empire, largely on his own.

https://www.trump.com/

Trump has been the ultimate turd in the elitist swimming pool. He has upset the establishment on both ends of the rope. He has shaken up the status quo like none other. And he's made a lot of enemies in the process.

 

[Michael Hardner]

22 minutes ago, reason10 said:

 

https://www.trump.com/

Trump has been the ultimate turd...

 

Agreed.  Historians rank him amongst the worst presidents:
https://www.businessinsider.com/historians-rank-trump-among-worst-presidents-us-history-c-span-2021-6

Thanks for providing the Trump.com reference that was really helpful.

[reason10]

1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said:

Agreed.  Historians rank him amongst the worst presidents:
https://www.businessinsider.com/historians-rank-trump-among-worst-presidents-us-history-c-span-2021-6

Thanks for providing the Trump.com reference that was really helpful.

Business Insider? What about THE VIEW? How about Democrat Underground, or maybe PMSNBC?

Seriously?

Trump was the REAGAN of the 21st Century. He EASILY has a better record as president than ANY Democrat.

https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefings-statements/president-donald-j-trump-delivered-record-breaking-results-american-people-first-three-years-office/

Not one Democrat has come close to that amazing record.

[herbie]

So the Red Wave turned out to be a fart in a bathtub, yet he still rants the same song. The guy who can't or won't lurn at all now praises the politicizing of School Boards...

We don't need no ejja kayshun
Duhhh.... dumbd dumb. Duhhh dumb, dumb

Edited November 10, 2022 by herbie

[reason10]

15 hours ago, herbie said:

So the Red Wave turned out to be a fart in a bathtub, yet he still rants the same song. The guy who can't or won't lurn at all now praises the politicizing of School Boards...

We don't need no ejja kayshun
Duhhh.... dumbd dumb. Duhhh dumb, dumb

Can't account for stupid voters and voter fraud.