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Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov made the startling suggestion that Nazi Germany leader Adolf Hitler had Jewish roots — prompting Israel’s prime minister to issue a rebuke accusing the official of using the Holocaust as a “battering ram.”

Lavrov made the comments Sunday when he was questioned by Italian media about how Russia could claim it intended to “denazify” Ukraine when President Volodymyr Zelensky is Jewish. 

“When they say, ‘What sort of nazification is this if we are Jews,’ well, I think that Hitler also had Jewish origins, so it means nothing,” Lavrov said.

“For a long time now, we’ve been hearing the wise Jewish people say that the biggest anti-Semites are the Jews themselves,” the Russian foreign minister said.

Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett blasted Lavrov’s claims as “lies” Monday."

There seems to be a burst of new popularity in Jew-hater conspiracy myths lately. And not just from Russians.

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Ya the Jews get a raw deal. They're an easy target for any number of reasons. 

I think Hitler picked on them because he needed a scapegoat of sorts and in Europe at that time, Jews were easy pickins.

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Did you hear the one about how the Khazarian Jewish mafia forced Putin to invade the Ukraine?

If you're wondering what the Khazarian Jewish mafia is you could ask that Russian Propaganda guy that hangs out here lately but here's one from a different tin foil stylist. I'm pretty sure it's not the onion:

Khazarian Jewish Mafia will Eliminate All the Human Beings

 

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I understood that Hitler DID have a Jewish connection. Is this being denied? This originally was pointed out BY Jews and others pointing out his hypocritical 'hate' based upon some assumption about one's genetic inferiority. I don't trust Israel's own involvement here given they are inappropriately advocationg for ALL Jews elsewhere. While they are welcome to presume their own superiority in judgement, it disgusts me more how others, like our PM, are granting it more relevance as 'hate' in a literal hateful way! 

We are also likely censoring out AND in information with more likely subterfuge than the Russians. Our own world capitalizes on granting virtue to the skills of deception with PRIORITY! We have the world's best professional entertainment industry that creates actors and fakes as a norm. We promote deception in our use of advertising, more now than ever before. I think we need to be skeptical of the noise from our side regarding other's words. We lack sufficient evidence to trust interpretations by those who themselves believe in censorship as a means of deceiving the 'weak' minded individuals as though we need a matriarchal babysitter for society.

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33 minutes ago, Scott Mayers said:

I understood that Hitler DID have a Jewish connection. Is this being denied? This originally was pointed out BY Jews and others pointing out his hypocritical 'hate' based upon some assumption about one's genetic inferiority. I don't trust Israel's own involvement here given they are inappropriately advocationg for ALL Jews elsewhere. While they are welcome to presume their own superiority in judgement, it disgusts me more how others, like our PM, are granting it more relevance as 'hate' in a literal hateful way! 

We are also likely censoring out AND in information with more likely subterfuge than the Russians. Our own world capitalizes on granting virtue to the skills of deception with PRIORITY! We have the world's best professional entertainment industry that creates actors and fakes as a norm. We promote deception in our use of advertising, more now than ever before. I think we need to be skeptical of the noise from our side regarding other's words. We lack sufficient evidence to trust interpretations by those who themselves believe in censorship as a means of deceiving the 'weak' minded individuals as though we need a matriarchal babysitter for society.

I'm not sure but...I think I actually agree with this?

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To claim that Hitler was Jewish and imply that Jews were responsible for Nazism[.] and the Holocaust is an antisemitic lie of extraordinaty proportions.  [Stuart E. Eianestat, Chairman, U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum]

This is a quote that I copied from CNN just now. It points out the logical assumption of an implication itself 'misinforming'. The actual history regarding Hitler's stance against the Jews regards the fact that they actually thought they were embracing a model OF the Jews and that their purpose of ridding them was akin to Israel's own present fascist constitution that hypocritically just proves the case. As such, without context, we have to not assume that the Russian comment was 'implying' that the Jews were responsible for the Holocaust but could be an argument against the STATE of Israeli influence and their own foundation in National Socialism throughout history. 

The German' National Socialism ("Nazi") was only signficant due to HOW they chose to vengefully annihilate the Jews. But the logic of the idea is literally modelled on what they would have interpreted was Jewish. And given their Social Darwinism popularly apexed in those time, the choice to annihilate them was intented to DISPLACE which 'Nationality' get to reign. Both extremes prefer a govnerning system that prioritizes some extreme EXCLUSIVITY from all others. But where German national socialism was relatively 'novel', the Jews had much more experience at how they 'exterminate' the undesirables. The difference is that the National Semitic who embrace their facism use INDIRECT means of harming their targeted hate. When you have power on the basis of some belief in one's genetic class who are unrepresentative percentage-wise of the most wealthiest positions as the Jews, they don't NEED a "holocaust" form of abuse to nevertheless abuse regardless. 

This is not a comment against Semitic people but against those Jewish Supremacists who embrace a hypocritical stance of BEING National Socialist fascists in which places like Israel represents. ['Nationalism', in National Socialism refers to ones' Nationality being recognized regardless of boundaries, not the mere 'pride' of one's Country that modern propaganda has redefined past defeated people's believed.]

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58 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Did you hear the one about how the Khazarian Jewish mafia forced Putin to invade the Ukraine?

If you're wondering what the Khazarian Jewish mafia is you could ask that Russian Propaganda guy that hangs out here lately but here's one from a different tin foil stylist. I'm pretty sure it's not the onion:

Khazarian Jewish Mafia will Eliminate All the Human Beings

 

The story about the Khazar king adopting Judaism is true I think. But the way I understand it, the Ashkenazi were eventually turfed from there and ventured north. Hence the Yidish Jews...more or less.

I don't pay close attention to a lot of the noise and wild shit. GaterPeople is a bit much. 

Deeds define a person or people. Unfortunately for this particular tribe, they dont seem to mix well with others and some of their impositions are...suspect.

For instance the silly idea that Jews are both a religious sect and an actual race. Judaism is a religion...Askenazi are a hodge-podge of ethnicities rooted in semitic origins.

On the other hand, Christians worship a dead guy tacked to a crucifix so...ya...there is that...

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Just now, Nationalist said:

I'm not sure but...I think I actually agree with this?

Thank you. I'm not an enemy of yours, just a critic of your particular arguments. This is not to assert it is 'true' that Hitler had some Jewish parent but that it should not be judged as irrational by the Russians in light of Israel's own political bias. It could be the case that the comment was merely insulting Zelenski as being akin to the National Socialism as defined. If he literally used, "Nazi", this would be rhetorically intended to draw out the negative interpretation of the hypocrisy of Jews to cry foul. And yet, Israel stupidly responded in defence of a false flag of their own design: to promote any association to the National socialism they themselves contributed to defining of the Germanic version that lead to the Holocaust. The logical political ideology is the same. 

Our Liberal governent also supports this (I..E. promoting distinct Nations within Nations that promote a rise in fascism). Their ideal "muliticulturalism' is more like Multi-National-Socialism. They don't disagree with fascism in essence for supporting flawed thinking regarding some belief in genetic associaton to culture. So Trudeau is being extreme in his own counter-support against behavior that he is contributing to entrenching literally here in our own country.

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27 minutes ago, Scott Mayers said:

This is a quote that I copied from CNN just now. It points out the logical assumption of an implication itself 'misinforming'. The actual history regarding Hitler's stance against the Jews regards the fact that they actually thought they were embracing a model OF the Jews and that their purpose of ridding them was akin to Israel's own present fascist constitution that hypocritically just proves the case. As such, without context, we have to not assume that the Russian comment was 'implying' that the Jews were responsible for the Holocaust but could be an argument against the STATE of Israeli influence and their own foundation in National Socialism throughout history. 

The German' National Socialism ("Nazi") was only signficant due to HOW they chose to vengefully annihilate the Jews. But the logic of the idea is literally modelled on what they would have interpreted was Jewish. And given their Social Darwinism popularly apexed in those time, the choice to annihilate them was intented to DISPLACE which 'Nationality' get to reign. Both extremes prefer a govnerning system that prioritizes some extreme EXCLUSIVITY from all others. But where German national socialism was relatively 'novel', the Jews had much more experience at how they 'exterminate' the undesirables. The difference is that the National Semitic who embrace their facism use INDIRECT means of harming their targeted hate. When you have power on the basis of some belief in one's genetic class who are unrepresentative percentage-wise of the most wealthiest positions as the Jews, they don't NEED a "holocaust" form of abuse to nevertheless abuse regardless. 

This is not a comment against Semitic people but against those Jewish Supremacists who embrace a hypocritical stance of BEING National Socialist fascists in which places like Israel represents. ['Nationalism', in National Socialism refers to ones' Nationality being recognized regardless of boundaries, not the mere 'pride' of one's Country that modern propaganda has redefined past defeated people's believed.]

There are a few stories about the infamous Holocaust that make little to no sense. I think the biggest being the 6 million slaughtered claim.

But its...you know...illegal to say so. Funny that...

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22 minutes ago, Scott Mayers said:

Thank you. I'm not an enemy of yours, just a critic of your particular arguments. This is not to assert it is 'true' that Hitler had some Jewish parent but that it should not be judged as irrational by the Russians in light of Israel's own political bias. It could be the case that the comment was merely insulting Zelenski as being akin to the National Socialism as defined. If he literally used, "Nazi", this would be rhetorically intended to draw out the negative interpretation of the hypocrisy of Jews to cry foul. And yet, Israel stupidly responded in defence of a false flag of their own design: to promote any association to the National socialism they themselves contributed to defining of the Germanic version that lead to the Holocaust. The logical political ideology is the same. 

Our Liberal governent also supports this (I..E. promoting distinct Nations within Nations that promote a rise in fascism). Their ideal "muliticulturalism' is more like Multi-National-Socialism. They don't disagree with fascism in essence for supporting flawed thinking regarding some belief in genetic associaton to culture. So Trudeau is being extreme in his own counter-support against behavior that he is contributing to entrenching literally here in our own country.

Lol...your prose are difficult to follow but I think you're alluding to the Azov forces in the Ukrainian military and primarily in Donbas.

I'm pretty sure that's what the Russians have been howling about. The Azov forces are real and are really the ones who started the fighting in that region after the Russian majority there voted for independence from Ukraine. 

It's a nasty situation and I'm no fan of this idea of the "poor poor Ukrainians of Donbas". Nor do I like arming self proclaimed Neo-Nazis.

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5 hours ago, Scott Mayers said:

I understood that Hitler DID have a Jewish connection. Is this being denied?

Only by historians and other rational investigators.

There are some conspiracy style theories with a lot of 'may haves' but no smoking gun evidence.

 

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5 hours ago, Nationalist said:

There are a few stories about the infamous Holocaust that make little to no sense. I think the biggest being the 6 million slaughtered claim.

I'll play the game. How many Jews were slaughtered then?

5,999,999?

4,765,223?

50?

None?

When does it start or stop mattering?

What is your actual point? If the number is different it's no big deal?

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5 hours ago, Nationalist said:

 

For instance the silly idea that Jews are both a religious sect and an actual race. Judaism is a religion...Askenazi are a hodge-podge of ethnicities rooted in semitic origins.

I think if you want to get into ethnicity, religion and such there's a little more to the story.

There's a large section on Ashkenazi genetics at the Wikipedia Ashkenazi page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews

The science starts to get a little gobbledy gooky but this paragraph will give you the gist:

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In an ethnic sense, an Ashkenazi Jew is one whose ancestry can be traced to the Jews who settled in Central Europe. For roughly a thousand years, the Ashkenazim were a reproductively isolated population in Europe, despite living in many countries, with little inflow or outflow from migration, conversion, or intermarriage with other groups, including other Jews. Human geneticists have argued that genetic variations have been identified that show high frequencies among Ashkenazi Jews, but not in the general European population, be they for patrilineal markers (Y-chromosome haplotypes) and for matrilineal markers (mitotypes).[141] Since the middle of the 20th century, many Ashkenazi Jews have intermarried, both with members of other Jewish communities and with people of region

So tell me then. How would that differ from a race.

Why would say Arabs be a race but Ashkenazi Jews not be?

Let's try some definitions:

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race
 
rās

noun

  1. A group of people identified as distinct from other groups because of supposed physical or genetic traits shared by the group. Most biologists and anthropologists do not recognize race as a biologically valid classification, in part because there is more genetic variation within groups than between them.
  2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution.
  3. A genealogical line; a lineage.

Show me why Ashkenazi Jews would not apply to those.

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5 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

I'll play the game. How many Jews were slaughtered then?

5,999,999?

4,765,223?

50?

None?

When does it start or stop mattering?

What is your actual point? If the number is different it's no big deal?

I just don't believe 6 million Jews were slaughtered. That's all.

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4 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

I think if you want to get into ethnicity, religion and such there's a little more to the story.

There's a large section on Ashkenazi genetics at the Wikipedia Ashkenazi page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews

The science starts to get a little gobbledy gooky but this paragraph will give you the gist:

So tell me then. How would that differ from a race.

Why would say Arabs be a race but Ashkenazi Jews not be?

Let's try some definitions:

Show me why Ashkenazi Jews would not apply to those.

The ashkenazi are Arabs that moved first west then north.

Jews are found in China and India. 

And...the original Jews were African. 

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1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

LOL...thank you Peanut Gallery.

You're welcome

The Jews are now the new Nazis and responsible for the Holocaust. How predictable.

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If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."

Joseph Goebbels

 

 

This is exactly what Putin and his merry band of gangsters is doing. Only one UN member country recognized the Donbas referendum. Russia.

Even Belarus wouldn't recognize it because they know it is only a matter of time before Putin uses the same pretext to move in on them.

Fuck some people are stupid.

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38 minutes ago, Aristides said:

You're welcome

The Jews are now the new Nazis and responsible for the Holocaust. How predictable.

 

 

This is exactly what Putin and his merry band of gangsters is doing. Only one UN member country recognized the Donbas referendum. Russia.

Even Belarus wouldn't recognize it because they know it is only a matter of time before Putin uses the same pretext to move in on them.

Fuck some people are stupid.

Yes some people are...you for instance.

Donbas held the same referendum as Crimea did. The results were the same as in Crimea. Then the Neo-Nazi Azov forces, under the guise of Ukrainian military, began to bomb the shit outta Donbas.

So...we have self-proclaimed Neo-Nazis bombing the shit outta people in a region that followed the same path as Crimea.

Should Russia have "invaded"? Probably not. Should the Ukrainian government sent Neo-Nazis to bomb the shit out of 'em? Definitely not.

Q: Where's your Libbie morals at Bub? This is cut and dry. Russia should have stayed out of the fray and the Ukrainian government should not have sicked Neo-Nazis on them.!

As far as I'm concerned...this is not a battle the west has any business in.

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1 minute ago, Nationalist said:

Yes some people are...you for instance.

Donbas held the same referendum as Crimea did. The results were the same as in Crimea. Then the Neo-Nazi Azov forces, under the guise of Ukrainian military, began to bomb the shit outta Donbas.

So...we have self-proclaimed Neo-Nazis bombing the shit outta people in a region that followed the same path as Crimea.

Should Russia have "invaded"? Probably not. Should the Ukrainian government sent Neo-Nazis to bomb the shit out of 'em? Definitely not.

Q: Where's your Libbie morals at Bub? This is cut and dry. Russia should have stayed out of the fray and the Ukrainian government should not have sicked Neo-Nazis on them.!

There are Nazi's everywhere, even in Canada. Closet Nazis even on this forum. I'm old enough to have known camp survivors and have visited a Polish concentration camp. As far as I'm concerned you are full of shit.

Not one UN country other than Russia recognized the Donbas referendum, not even Russias closest allies.

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49 minutes ago, Aristides said:

There are Nazi's everywhere, even in Canada. Closet Nazis even on this forum. I'm old enough to have known camp survivors and have visited a Polish concentration camp. As far as I'm concerned you are full of shit.

Not one UN country other than Russia recognized the Donbas referendum, not even Russias closest allies.

This answer of yours only reinforces the old saying...

"Ya can't fix stupid".

Oh and...there are not nazis everywhere. There are a bunch of Neo-Nazis in the Ukrainian army. You should put more effort into holding onto reality Bub.

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5 hours ago, Nationalist said:

The ashkenazi are Arabs that moved first west then north.

The Jewish diaspora is a complicated thing that happened over centuries for varied reasons. It began before the first Milennia in Babylon and Assyria and continued through Roman and Holy Roman times. Around the middle ages a coalescence of wandering Jews appeared in Northern Europe identifying as Ashkenazi.

DNA evidence shows the larger evidence begins in the Levant (middle east.)

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Jews are found in China and India. 

Good for them. The ones in China better be careful.

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And...the original Jews were African. 

No. The first archeological mention of them confirms the captivity in Egypt mentioned in the Bible. The Bible also tells of a history that happened long before that.

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1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

So...we have self-proclaimed Neo-Nazis bombing the shit outta people in a region that followed the same path as Crimea.

I don't know if the "neo nazi" label still applies to the Azov battalion. Depends on who you believe. They and Ukrainian officialdom claim they've changed.

"Since 2017, the official position of the Ukrainian government is that the unit has depoliticized itself. The then Minister of Internal Affairs Arsen Avakov claimed that "The shameful information campaign about the alleged spread of Nazi ideology (among Azov members) is a deliberate attempt to discredit the 'Azov' unit and the National Guard of Ukraine."[179] In March 2022, in an open letter to Russia published through Russian journalist Alexander Nevzorov, Azov Battalion strongly denounced allegations of its neo-Nazi orientation, defining Nazism as a "tireless need to exterminate those who dared to be free" and noting that the Battalion incorporated people of many ethnicities and religions, including Ukrainians, Russians, Jews, Greeks, Georgians, Crimean Tatars and Belarusians. According to the letter, Nazism, as well Stalinism, were "despised" by the Battalion, since Ukraine greatly suffered from both.[180]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion#Ideology

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4 hours ago, Nationalist said:

This answer of yours only reinforces the old saying...

"Ya can't fix stupid".

Oh and...there are not nazis everywhere. There are a bunch of Neo-Nazis in the Ukrainian army. You should put more effort into holding onto reality Bub.

There are Neo-Nazis in Canada who would form their own battalions if they could get away with it. The Donbas is important because it is the Ukraine's industrial heartland, not because Putin cares about Russians. Reality is not my issue.

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