Dougie93 Posted June 24, 2022 Report Posted June 24, 2022 53 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Ivison: From Ukraine’s front lines, exclusive interview with a Canadian Forces veteran (msn.com) I feel bad for the guy he's obviously brave & true & good then he says he's a "proud Canadian" it's sad, because Canada will inevitably stab him in the back Canada is not brave & true & good, Canada is a radical leftist lunatic asylum so if he survives this war and returns to Canada he's going to find out that Canada suddenly despises him because he will suddenly be attacked by Canada for being a "White Supremacist Nazi" Canada will flip flop and agree with Putin that he is a threat, as soon as he ever gets back to Canada Quote
Army Guy Posted June 24, 2022 Author Report Posted June 24, 2022 27 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: case in point, Canada makes a meagre contribution of sending 4 x M777 howitzer, not even a battery's worth but Canada only had 36 x M777 to start off with that's not even enough to equip the Canadian artillery, that's only two battery's for each of Canada's three regiments Canada sent the ancient Carl Gustav, because that is the only shoulder fired anti-armour weapon Canada has the cupboard is absolutely bare in Canada, Ukraine is already a military power which dwarfs Canada Canadians don't get that fact, and never will , they think everything is better than fine in our military. Now that we are inclusive and everything. That being said might as well give the whole store away, MAYBE it might spur someone to purchase more and newer equipment. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Dougie93 Posted June 24, 2022 Report Posted June 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Canadians don't get that fact, and never will , they think everything is better than fine in our military. Now that we are inclusive and everything. That being said might as well give the whole store away, MAYBE it might spur someone to purchase more and newer equipment. it's ingrained in the Canadian culture by the First & Second World Wars Canada is not a military power, Canada is an imperial auxiliary so Canada has never maintained a standing army like a Hegemon Canada builds an army to fight a war, then disbands that army when the war is over most recently, Canada has done that with Afghanistan the force was cobbled together for that mission now that forces has been demobilized after Quote
Army Guy Posted June 24, 2022 Author Report Posted June 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: I feel bad for the guy he's obviously brave & true & good then he says he's a "proud Canadian" it's sad, because Canada will inevitably stab him in the back Canada is not brave & true & good, Canada is a radical leftist lunatic asylum so if he survives this war and returns to Canada he's going to find out that Canada suddenly despises him because he will suddenly be attacked by Canada for being a "White Supremacist Nazi" Canada will flip flop and agree with Putin that he is a threat, as soon as he ever gets back to Canada He is already forgotten, except by his family and friends, and his military comrades...It is bad when a teenage girl from Ukraine can get a hold of more military supplies than the Canadian government, for me that tells the whole story about our nation. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Dougie93 Posted June 24, 2022 Report Posted June 24, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Army Guy said: He is already forgotten, except by his family and friends, and his military comrades...It is bad when a teenage girl from Ukraine can get a hold of more military supplies than the Canadian government, for me that tells the whole story about our nation. we were simply mercenaries for the Queen Regiment, Corps, Commander-in-Chief the brothers to the left & right of you Canada is neither here nor there it's a royalist professional force, we were never citizen soldiers VRI means what is says Edited June 24, 2022 by Dougie93 Quote
Army Guy Posted June 28, 2022 Author Report Posted June 28, 2022 Funding for NORAD was announced, but no one knows where it is coming from...even the CDS says he does not know...and the Minister seemed confused as well Confusion arises over Canada's $4.9B NORAD upgrade spending | Watch (msn.com) Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted June 28, 2022 Author Report Posted June 28, 2022 Shocking News NATO report Identifies Canada's decrease in defense spending, again more lies from the Liberal government, when are they going to stop. NATO should just give Canada an ultimatum, spend or get out, you have been a leach for far too long. Trudeau defends military spending ahead of NATO summit as new report projects decline (msn.com) Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Dougie93 Posted June 28, 2022 Report Posted June 28, 2022 9 minutes ago, Army Guy said: NATO should just give Canada an ultimatum, spend or get out that's not how NATO works NATO is governed by the 1949 Washington Treaty that is the Treaty in North Atlantic Treaty Organization there is no stipulation in the treaty that a member is required to spend a certain amount to remain a member so NATO doesn't have the authority to dictate terms like that to Canada Quote
Army Guy Posted June 28, 2022 Author Report Posted June 28, 2022 Just now, Dougie93 said: that's not how NATO works NATO is governed by the 1949 Washington Treaty that is the Treaty in North Atlantic Treaty Organization there is no stipulation in the treaty that a member is required to spend a certain amount to remain a member so NATO doesn't have the authority to dictate terms like that to Canada 2014 Canada and the rest of NATO signed an agreement that each nation would spend 2 % minimum on their military forces, a few days after signing this agreement Justin told national media he had no intention of doing that. As an organization, NATO could vote to kick anyone out, just like it takes a vote to join. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Dougie93 Posted June 28, 2022 Report Posted June 28, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Army Guy said: 2014 Canada and the rest of NATO signed an agreement that each nation would spend 2 % minimum on their military forces, a few days after signing this agreement Justin told national media he had no intention of doing that. As an organization, NATO could vote to kick anyone out, just like it takes a vote to join. that wasn't binding, it was a memorandum not a binding treaty, and the 2% (arbitrary) number is simply a "target" NATO requests that members spend 2%, it in no way has the authority to issue ultimatums to member states Canada in addition, will never be turned away from NATO, simply because of geography Canada is the only other member state in North America so Canada in effect drags America into the NATO fight for Europe thus nobody in Brussels would ever want Canada out of the alliance Edited June 28, 2022 by Dougie93 Quote
Dougie93 Posted June 28, 2022 Report Posted June 28, 2022 it's all part of the culture of Canada to woefully under resource the Canadian military Lord Byng & Sir Arthur Currie could in no way rely on the Government of Canada to save them they would have to solve the problem right there themselves the Canadian Corps was not made in Ottawa, it was made in Flanders on the Western Front Canadians only fight other people's wars, never their own Canadians spill blood in lieu of treasure a nation forged fighting for Saxe, Coburg & Gotha, in Belgium Quote
Army Guy Posted June 28, 2022 Author Report Posted June 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Dougie93 said: that wasn't binding, it was a memorandum not a binding treaty, and the 2% (arbitrary) number is simply "target" NATO requests that members spend 2%, it in no way has the authority to issue ultimatums to member states Canada in addition, will never be turned away from NATO, simply because of geograohy Canada is the only other member state in North America so Canada in effect drags America into the NATO fight for Europe thus nobody in Brussels would ever want Canada out of the alliance It was an agreement to spend x % of GDP to ensure NATO relevance in today's world. Canada signed the agreement and then told the world fuck you we have no intention of doing that...why would a nation agree and sign an agreement if it no intentions of abiding by it, it was not a credibility-building moment for our nation. Turkey has issued Sweden and Finland, an ultimatum, this is what you need to do if you want to join NATO. all of this despite the rest of NATO pretty much agreeing to allow them to join. and if all members agreed Canada could be voted off the island. Canada has nothing of any value to offer. Come on here you giving Canada way too much credit, Canada really does not contribute much to NATO, its military is pretty much irrelevant in the big picture, and Europe has pretty much said so. The US is the largest contributor, and Canada is on the same carpet along for the ride...like the little yappy dog and spike... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Dougie93 Posted June 28, 2022 Report Posted June 28, 2022 Just now, Army Guy said: It was an agreement to spend x % of GDP to ensure NATO relevance in today's world. non binding purely political agreement by memorandum no member state is bound to meet that target NATO doesn't have the authority to issue ultimatums to member states in terms of spending Quote
Army Guy Posted June 28, 2022 Author Report Posted June 28, 2022 5 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: it's all part of the culture of Canada to woefully under resource the Canadian military Lord Byng & Sir Arthur Currie could in no way rely on the Government of Canada to save them they would have to solve the problem right there themselves the Canadian Corps was not made in Ottawa, it was made in Flanders on the Western Front Canadians only fight other people's wars, never their own Canadians spill blood in lieu of treasure a nation forged fighting for Saxe, Coburg & Gotha, in Belgium Only in today's world, the next conflict is going to become as you are, as there won't be time to produce weapons and equipment as we did in the past. And what equipment we do have is not plentiful, and most of our primary equipment is 40 years or older...Ukraine has better and more equipment than we do. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Dougie93 Posted June 28, 2022 Report Posted June 28, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Come on here you giving Canada way too much credit, yeah, sure, that's my style, I'm known for cutting Canada all sorts of slack or perhaps I just know that Canada is snug & secure inside Fortress America so doesn't have to spend much in the end, or even have a military at all really Edited June 28, 2022 by Dougie93 Quote
Dougie93 Posted June 28, 2022 Report Posted June 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Only in today's world, the next conflict is going to become as you are, they're going to run out of high tech weapons in a matter of weeks so actually, things will go back to World War One/Twp style build an army from scratch very quickly Quote
Army Guy Posted June 28, 2022 Author Report Posted June 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Dougie93 said: non binding purely political agreement by memorandum no member state is bound to meet that target NATO doesn't have the authority to issue ultimatums to member states in terms of spending NATO has pretty much-tried everything in its power to get Canada and others to hit that mark. As had the US. the only reason it has not issued ultimatums is politics and saving Canada the embarrassment, which Canada is actually proud of its stance within NATO. Why would they want to have a nation that contributes almost nothing to remain a member. Canadians as cheap as they are would happily jump at the chance to leave any military defensive pact. We as a nation are but a shell of our former selves. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted June 28, 2022 Author Report Posted June 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: yeah, sure, that's my style, I'm known for cutting Canada all sorts slack or perhaps I just know that Canada is snug & secure inside Fortress America so doesn't have to spend much in the end, or even have a military at all really Canada's importance to any alliance is overstated, Sure it can, and it will give up whatever sovereignty we have now. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Dougie93 Posted June 28, 2022 Report Posted June 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Army Guy said: NATO has pretty much-tried everything in its power to get Canada and others to hit that mark. As had the US. the only reason it has not issued ultimatums is politics and saving Canada the embarrassment, which Canada is actually proud of its stance within NATO. Why would they want to have a nation that contributes almost nothing to remain a member. Canadians as cheap as they are would happily jump at the chance to leave any military defensive pact. We as a nation are but a shell of our former selves. Canadians have always been this way because it was the role of the British Empire to defend Canada and the British were also responsible for arming the Canadian Expeditionary Forces sent to defend the Empire Canadian culture evolved with a sense that it was an Imperial rather than Canadian responsibility to run the military culture is destiny stop banging your head against a wall, it's never gonna change Quote
Dougie93 Posted June 28, 2022 Report Posted June 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Army Guy said: Canada's importance to any alliance is overstated, Sure it can, and it will give up whatever sovereignty we have now. NATO leverage would be vastly overstated if one asserts that the Organization has authority to issue any ultimatums whatsoever to members NATO is just a bunch of bureaucrats in Brussels, they have no actual power at all Quote
Dougie93 Posted June 28, 2022 Report Posted June 28, 2022 Canada is actually just following America's lead America is not sending much support for NATO America has sent some "tripwire" forces, but hasn't actually made any big moves to Europe Canada has committed a force commensurate to what the Americans are sending it's only Washington which can dictate terms to Canada and at this juncture, Washington is not actually demanding more Canadian boots on the ground Quote
Dougie93 Posted June 28, 2022 Report Posted June 28, 2022 Canada has actually complied with Washington's two major outstanding national security demands Canada has denied China access to supply Canada with 5G networks ( Huawei War ) Canada has flip flopped and now selected the F-35 to replace the CF-18's ( market share ) so realpolitik, Canada has done enough to satisfy the Americans for now Quote
Army Guy Posted June 30, 2022 Author Report Posted June 30, 2022 (edited) Canada to upgrade its troops in Latvia from 700 to a full brigade, more details to be announced. Not sure how this is going to work, did Justin promise more than he has, and is he overextending our military forces. I guess we will see. More Canadian troops headed to Latvia, Trudeau says at NATO summit (msn.com) Edited June 30, 2022 by Army Guy Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Dougie93 Posted June 30, 2022 Report Posted June 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: Canada to upgrade its troops in Latvia from 700 to a full brigade, more details to be announced. Not sure how this is going to work, did Justin promise more than he has, and is he overextending our military forces. I guess we will see. More Canadian troops headed to Latvia, Trudeau says at NATO summit (msn.com) there's no way they can deploy a Canadian Brigade I think what they mean is that NATO will deploy a multinational Brigade and Canada will add a handful more troops to that Quote
Dougie93 Posted June 30, 2022 Report Posted June 30, 2022 what you have right now in Latvia is just composite NATO battle groups, of which Canada provides one of those so what NATO means is that they will add Brigade level combat & service support with headquarters the various NATO battle groups will be brought together into a Brigade level formation but Canada is only going to be providing a third of that Brigade, it's not going to be a Canadian CMBG they simply don't have the logistics anymore to sustain a Brigade Group overseas Quote
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