Should We Tolerate the growing rise of communism in Canada?

[West]

I use the term communism as it's the closest explanation to what we are seeing today. There are also elements of Fascism. Overall it's a form of totalitarianism. 

We've reached a stage now where multinational Corps are being used to circumvent the Charter and impose sick new policy on society such as vaccine ID. Your employer is trying to take on the role of your doctor which is messed in and of itself. 

Add to that corporations are making their employees pledge allegiance to woke ideology through "diversity training" and other nonsense like that. 

A marriage between sick politician, business and institutions such as university holding those who don't bow at their feet hostage. 

Should we tolerate these sick politicians like Trudeau and others? 

[Winston]

8 minutes ago, West said:

I use the term communism as it's the closest explanation to what we are seeing today.

How is Canada communistic? Most goods and services are privately held, we have a capitalistic society with socialistic tendencies towards government service sectors. 

[H B Lowrey]

16 minutes ago, Winston said:

How is Canada communistic? Most goods and services are privately held, we have a capitalistic society with socialistic tendencies towards government service sectors. 

Meh, that's irrelevant. "Commie" is a Pavlovianly conditioned trigger term. 

[H B Lowrey]

28 minutes ago, West said:

I use the term communism as it's the closest explanation to what we are seeing today. There are also elements of Fascism. Overall it's a form of totalitarianism. 

We've reached a stage now where multinational Corps are being used to circumvent the Charter and impose sick new policy on society such as vaccine ID. Your employer is trying to take on the role of your doctor which is messed in and of itself. 

Add to that corporations are making their employees pledge allegiance to woke ideology through "diversity training" and other nonsense like that. 

A marriage between sick politician, business and institutions such as university holding those who don't bow at their feet hostage. 

Should we tolerate these sick politicians like Trudeau and others? 

I guess you could vote.

[West]

3 minutes ago, H B Lowrey said:

I guess you could vote.

Personal liberties such as what you put in your body shouldn't be up for a "vote". 

[West]

24 minutes ago, Winston said:

How is Canada communistic? Most goods and services are privately held, we have a capitalistic society with socialistic tendencies towards government service sectors. 

How about the government telling you only one treatment for covid is allowed and that's tied to your ability to keep a job or sit in a restaurant? 

Government coercion and control over your body. If it quacks like a duck...

Edited January 22, 2022 by West

[Michael Hardner]

6 minutes ago, H B Lowrey said:

I guess you could vote.

Usually PPC supporters talk like this.  They want the 5% of people who think like them to rule the rest of us.... uh... democratically ?

[H B Lowrey]

4 minutes ago, West said:

Personal liberties such as what you put in your body shouldn't be up for a "vote". 

 

Take it up with your political system pard.

[H B Lowrey]

2 minutes ago, West said:

How about the government telling you only one treatment for covid is allowed and that's tied to your ability to keep a job or sit in a restaurant? 

Government coercion and control over your body. If it quacks like a duck...

You have never been entitled to the job you choose or to sit in a restaurant against the owner's rules.  You may not be able to eat at a restaurant or show up at work sans a shirt and shoes.  Are you howling about that?

[West]

2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Usually PPC supporters talk like this.  They want the 5% of people who think like them to rule the rest of us.... uh... democratically ?

Usually the vile leftists talk like this. Act like they don't want to lord over you then force an injection like good lil psychopaths

[H B Lowrey]

2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Usually PPC supporters talk like this.  They want the 5% of people who think like them to rule the rest of us.... uh... democratically ?

That's typically how concentrated wealth circumvents representative democracy.

[H B Lowrey]

Just now, West said:

Usually the vile leftists talk like this. Act like they don't want to lord over you then force an injection like good lil psychopaths

All you partisanshitheads sound alike actually.  Like this here.

[West]

2 minutes ago, H B Lowrey said:

All you partisanshitheads sound alike actually.  Like this here.

You want a stool sample too you sicko? 

[Winston]

10 minutes ago, West said:

How about the government telling you only one treatment for covid is allowed and that's tied to your ability to keep a job or sit in a restaurant?

I would think that is more fascism or totalitarianism than communism, assuming were using the same definitions.

However, I do agree with your premise that forced "consent" is not consent by choice. 

 

[West]

All kidding aside. I know people who are hard-core vaxx evangelists who are even anti vaxx coercion. Only know maybe 1 or 2 who are pro vaxx pass. 

[West]

3 minutes ago, Winston said:

I would think that is more fascism or totalitarianism than communism, assuming were using the same definitions.

However, I do agree with your premise that forced "consent" is not consent by choice. 

 

Yes that's why I say it's kinda a combination of alot of different extremist views all tied into one. 

The bigger question is should this extremism be tolerated from institutions and government?

[Winston]

6 minutes ago, West said:

Yes that's why I say it's kinda a combination of alot of different extremist views all tied into one. 

The bigger question is should this extremism be tolerated from institutions and government?

In specific situation yes, when the risk of public endangerment is high yes. 

[West]

Just now, Winston said:

In specific situation yes, when the risk of public endangerment is high yes. 

What risk of public endangerment? 

[Winston]

2 minutes ago, West said:

What risk of public endangerment? 

There are several, but specific to your topic, viral outbreak. If the risk is high, the government would be acting in the best interest of the public to protect them. 

With regard to Covid, what is the risk of death or long term personal health damage? And what is the the reproduction ratio?

[West]

16 minutes ago, Winston said:

There are several, but specific to your topic, viral outbreak. If the risk is high, the government would be acting in the best interest of the public to protect them. 

With regard to Covid, what is the risk of death or long term personal health damage? And what is the the reproduction ratio?

Okay but at this point both the vaxxed and unvaxxed are spreading covid. Just last week the triple vaxxed premier of Saskatchewan who was talking tough about the unvaxxed was up in La Loche giving the community Covid. Now what's the point in saying that a POSITIVE Scott Moe can show his vaccine ID to dine in at a restaurant but a vaccine free person must eat outside? No logic. 

We also know the risk to certain parts of the population is low. For example, an unvaxxed 20 year old who's healthy is at less risk than a triple vaxxed 60 year old. Why are we demanding that 20 year old take a risk of myocarditis? Why is that risk fine but the unlikely risk of hospitalization due to covid isn't?

Now I agree there are LIMITED reasons to restrict mobility, such as a known positive person refusing to isolate. However, the vast majority of people SHOULD NOT be locked down. There are significant impacts for that as well such as economic losses, mental health etc whether you choose to accept that or not. 

Edited January 22, 2022 by West

[Winston]

10 minutes ago, West said:

Now I agree there are LIMITED reasons to restrict mobility, such as a known positive person refusing to isolate. However, the vast majority of people SHOULD NOT be locked down. There are significant impacts for that as well such as economic losses, mental health etc whether you choose to accept that or not. 

We are in agreement. The risk for the general public is low enough to open up. 

Look around this forum, most people agree drastic measures should not be enforced, yet they still exist. 

But I do not think there is a way out of this without the people responsible having a scape goat. Do you?

Covid is now more of a social distraction from the major issues plaguing society.

Edited January 22, 2022 by Winston

[Michael Hardner]

Let's just agree that the prospect of actual Communism is ridiculous.  

If people want to scream hysterical pleas to each other, please use the direct message feature....

[West]

1 hour ago, Winston said:

We are in agreement. The risk for the general public is low enough to open up. 

Look around this forum, most people agree drastic measures should not be enforced, yet they still exist. 

But I do not think there is a way out of this without the people responsible having a scape goat. Do you?

Covid is now more of a social distraction from the major issues plaguing society.

What's most disgusting is politicians double down on policy that makes no sense even at the risk of supply chain collapse. Why? What's the purpose? 

Lockdowns at this point are a form of totalitarianism. Even going hard after those opposing lockdowns and their protests were a form of communism. 

Which brings me back to it. Should this nonsense be tolerated any longer? 

Edited January 23, 2022 by West

[Winston]

33 minutes ago, West said:

What's most disgusting is politicians double down on policy that makes no sense even at the risk of supply chain collapse. Why? What's the purpose? 

Lockdowns at this point are a form of totalitarianism. Even going hard after those opposing lockdowns and their protests were a form of communism. 

Which brings me back to it. Should this nonsense be tolerated any longer? 

You have your answer. This topic has been covered for about a year on this forum, there are tons of examples where people agree and disagree with certain positions. Ultimately it does not matter what we think, especially when none of us are in positions to change the country. (maybe I am wrong)

In my opinion, Covid is just a distraction. Inflation, economic damage, disparity of wealth, disparity of power, university brain drain and the collapse of western society is more concerning.   

 

 

[eyeball]

5 minutes ago, Winston said:

You have your answer. This topic has been covered for about a year on this forum, there are tons of examples where people agree and disagree with certain positions. Ultimately it does not matter what we think, especially when none of us are in positions to change the country. (maybe I am wrong)

In my opinion, Covid is just a distraction. Inflation, economic damage, disparity of wealth, disparity of power, university brain drain and the collapse of western society is more concerning.

Yeah but c'mon it's been collapsing for at least 15 solid unbroken years now.  Can't we just get it over with it so we can leave it behind us and move on?

This is getting boring.,