August1991 Posted December 28, 2021 Report Share Posted December 28, 2021 ... Random trees, Deep Neural Networks To me, it's all now fake. S/N? It's all noise, no signal. Or maybe it would be better to say that if the noise is so filtered to make a signal, then there is no truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted December 28, 2021 Report Share Posted December 28, 2021 Why do you think it's fake ? You think the entire world can be duped by actual fake technology ? Certainly it works on some level - 'hype' and 'fakery' are not the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted December 28, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2021 8 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Why do you think it's fake ? You think the entire world can be duped by actual fake technology ? Certainly it works on some level - 'hype' and 'fakery' are not the same thing. It's data-mining. Or as James Cameron would say, ultimately there's a guy with a crack in his butt holding a mike. ---- Progressives believe that they can change people (Clinton) - other progressives believe that perception changes people (Redford). IMHO, some people are left-handed - nothing can change them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted December 28, 2021 Report Share Posted December 28, 2021 6 minutes ago, August1991 said: It's data-mining. Or as James Cameron would say, ultimately there's a guy with a crack in his butt holding a mike. ---- Progressives believe that they can change people (Clinton) - other progressives believe that perception changes people (Redford). IMHO, some people are left-handed - nothing can change them. There was a parable of an ancient Chinese farmer who refused to use machines in farming because they would lessen his soul. All his neighbours reaped the rewards of automation, while he continued - satisfied in his soulful simplicity. You're taking the side of the farmer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted December 28, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2021 21 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: There was a parable of an ancient Chinese farmer who refused to use machines in farming because they would lessen his soul. All his neighbours reaped the rewards of automation, while he continued - satisfied in his soulful simplicity. You're taking the side of the farmer. You describe Schumpeter's schöpferische Zerstörung. ==== I fear what Boris Pasternak wrote in Doctor Zhivago: “Переделка жизни! Так могут рассуждать люди, хотя, может быть, и видавшие виды, но ни разу не узнавшие жизни, не почувствовавшие ее духа, души ее. Для них существование это комок грубого, не облагороженного их прикосновением материала, нуждающегося в их обработке. А материалом, веществом, жизнь никогда не бывает. Она сама, если хотите знать, непрерывно себя обновляющее, вечно себя перерабатывающее начало, она сама вечно себя переделывает и претворяет, она сама куда выше наших с вами тупоумных теорий.” Use Google Translate but better, read the novel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted December 28, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, August1991 said: Change life : this is what people like AOC, Trudeau, Obama want to do. Edited December 28, 2021 by August1991 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted December 28, 2021 Report Share Posted December 28, 2021 34 minutes ago, August1991 said: Change life : this is what people like AOC, Trudeau, Obama want to do. Also Henry Ford, Donald Trump, Einstein, Margaret Attwood and every parent. And you, posting your ideas on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted December 28, 2021 Report Share Posted December 28, 2021 Or perhaps his motivation is like what old Fezziwig said, when asked why he would not sell out or modernize with machines. “To preserve a way of life.” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted February 26, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2022 (edited) On 12/28/2021 at 2:57 PM, OftenWrong said: Or perhaps his motivation is like what old Fezziwig said, when asked why he would not sell out or modernize with machines. “To preserve a way of life.” There is truth: 2 + 3 = 5 And then there is something else. ===== Truth? It is impossible to create a universe where 2 + 3 is anything other than 5. Such is God. Edited February 26, 2022 by August1991 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted February 26, 2022 Report Share Posted February 26, 2022 6 hours ago, August1991 said: Truth? It is impossible to create a universe where 2 + 3 is anything other than 5. Such is God. But mathematics was made by man, not God. When I studied math, they used to say '1+1=2 is an approximation' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted March 5, 2022 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2022 On 12/28/2021 at 8:09 AM, Michael Hardner said: Also Henry Ford, Donald Trump, Einstein, Margaret Attwood and every parent. .... To my knowledge, Ford/Trump/Einstein never forced anyone to think anything. Atwood? She humiliated - made people feel stupid - who disagreed with her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted March 5, 2022 Report Share Posted March 5, 2022 3 hours ago, August1991 said: 1. To my knowledge, Ford/Trump/Einstein never forced anyone to think anything. 2. Atwood? She humiliated - made people feel stupid - who disagreed with her. 1. No, but they still wanted to make change in the world. 2. Speak for yourself. She told stories. If you felt stupid When listening then that's on you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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