bush_cheney2004 Posted May 8, 2020 Report Posted May 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, Pacifica77 said: Indeed....so what?? Maybe he drives some people nuts........ but I doubt it. I think he is such a personality that his personality over shadows his efforts....... I do think he could have done a much better job about the virus issue. A leader should set an example.....of behavior and evidence of what is recommended by the Health experts. He does not even follow his own guidelines. ........and should be wearing a mask when he greets people. Particularly now.....with two staffers resting positive. He does make a good study n psychology....... .. But you have stated that Trump is really just a reflection of America (agreed) ...good and bad...with many competing interests....so set expectations accordingly. The "health experts" have been found to be very lacking in this pandemic, from the WHO on down, with poor foundation from the beginning...learning along the way same as the rest of us. Compared to his "leadership" peers around the world, Trump has done better and worse than others, but they do not garner so much attention. Why ? Because they are not Trump. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
WestCanMan Posted May 8, 2020 Report Posted May 8, 2020 His TF ratings are so high because he's doing such an amazing job. Truly fantastic. People say he's doing the greatest job ever. Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
Guest Posted May 8, 2020 Report Posted May 8, 2020 6 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: His TF ratings are so high because he's doing such an amazing job. Truly fantastic. People say he's doing the greatest job ever. the people drank the cool aid. ..He has smoozed them into believing whatever he says. the problem is that he is a pathological liar. Not your garden variety politician type liar.....but psychologically pathological. It is interesting that so many actually believe what he utters. They are probably the die hards that do not tolerate any criticism of their leader. Quote
Guest Posted May 9, 2020 Report Posted May 9, 2020 (edited) 39 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: But you have stated that Trump is really just a reflection of America (agreed) ...good and bad...with many competing interests....so set expectations accordingly. The "health experts" have been found to be very lacking in this pandemic, from the WHO on down, with poor foundation from the beginning...learning along the way same as the rest of us. Compared to his "leadership" peers around the world, Trump has done better and worse than others, but they do not garner so much attention. Why ? Because they are not Trump. No.....they are NOT trump and DO NOT WANT to BE. Many hare been handling this crisis very well...... and not grandstanding about it. They are too busy trying to contain the virus and help their population with the knowledge available. They don't have to showoff to the world. They are dong what they were elected to do. and taking it seriously. Edited May 9, 2020 by Guest Quote
WestCanMan Posted May 9, 2020 Report Posted May 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, Pacifica77 said: the people drank the cool aid. ..He has smoozed them into believing whatever he says. the problem is that he is a pathological liar. Not your garden variety politician type liar.....but psychologically pathological. It is interesting that so many actually believe what he utters. They are probably the die hards that do not tolerate any criticism of their leader. CNN and CBC said that he did awful, and that Trudeau did great, and that's the kool-aid. You're actually spewing the kool-aid but you don't know it. That's how that type of Kool-Aid works. Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 9, 2020 Report Posted May 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, Pacifica77 said: No.....they are NOT trump and DO NOT WANT to BE. Many hare been handling this crisis very well...... and not grandstanding about it. They are too busy trying to contain the virus and help their population with the knowledge available. They don't have to showoff to the world. They are dong what they were elected to do. and taking it seriously. Then theirs is a warped and biased perspective when and where pandemic body count matters. The world need not watch Trump....but it does...especially Canada. America will do America...navel gazers from abroad can't help but watch...long before Trump. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guest Posted May 9, 2020 Report Posted May 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: CNN and CBC said that he did awful, and that Trudeau did great, and that's the kool-aid. You're actually spewing the kool-aid but you don't know it. That's how that type of Kool-Aid works. Well CNN and CBC are correct. No kool aid. ;-) Now....if you are a Trump supporter...you won't see it that way.;'-) Listening to the ;news in the background: White house is implementing Temp checks, mask wearing, and are busy disinfecting the place. EXCELLENT. About time. They have been too casual about it and now they have a problem..... Who cares about ratings......what matters is getting control of this contagious virus.. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 9, 2020 Report Posted May 9, 2020 21 minutes ago, Pacifica77 said: the people drank the cool aid. ..He has smoozed them into believing whatever he says. the problem is that he is a pathological liar. Not your garden variety politician type liar.....but psychologically pathological. It is interesting that so many actually believe what he utters. They are probably the die hards that do not tolerate any criticism of their leader. Nope....they care more about what Trump does than what he says...or how he says it. Big difference..... Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
WestCanMan Posted May 9, 2020 Report Posted May 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, Pacifica77 said: Well CNN and CBC are correct. No kool aid. ;-) Now....if you are a Trump supporter...you won't see it that way.;'-) Listening to the ;news in the background: White house is implementing Temp checks, mask wearing, and are busy disinfecting the place. EXCELLENT. About time. They have been too casual about it and now they have a problem..... Who cares about ratings......what matters is getting control of this contagious virus.. Yeah you're totally woke bruh, woke people regurgitate the MSM like a Manchurian Candidate without hesitation. Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
Guest Posted May 9, 2020 Report Posted May 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Nope....they care more about what Trump does than what he says...or how he says it. Big difference..... Yes..that would appear to be the case. ins some situations. But not all. There are plenty to whom his quirks matter and are seen as destructive. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 9, 2020 Report Posted May 9, 2020 Just now, Pacifica77 said: Yes..that would appear to be the case. ins some situations. But not all. There are plenty to whom his quirks matter and are seen as destructive. OK...same as any other U.S. president. Voters will react accordingly....there will be another election soon...the U.S. has them like clockwork. It's America's choice...over and over again. Trump could win another term...or he could lose. That's how America rolls. The world watches...long before Trump. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guest Posted May 9, 2020 Report Posted May 9, 2020 1 minute ago, WestCanMan said: Yeah you're totally woke bruh, woke people regurgitate the MSM like a Manchurian Candidate without hesitation. Why the hostility?? No need to make it personal. If you disagree...then say why...thanks. Now back to the virus and How Trump is "handling" it. ;-) Quote
Guest Posted May 9, 2020 Report Posted May 9, 2020 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: OK...same as any other U.S. president. Voters will react accordingly....there will be another election soon...the U.S. has them like clockwork. It's America's choice...over and over again. Trump could win another term...or he could lose. That's how America rolls. The world watches...long before Trump. Of course. that is all true. But I kinda think that this time the virus could be distracting from the US election show . It is hard to tell what the next few months will be like. HOPEFULLY...... we can get a handle on it.......and resume some semblance of a new and healthier normal. Gotta go fornow. Thanks Bush/ cheney. this was fun and stay healthy. ;-) Quote
WestCanMan Posted May 9, 2020 Report Posted May 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, Pacifica77 said: Why the hostility?? No need to make it personal. If you disagree...then say why...thanks. Now back to the virus and How Trump is "handling" it. ;-) At least he's handling it. If our PM would have handled this properly in Jan or Feb we'd have about 4,000 less deaths. If he would have just implemented travel bans at the end of Jan we'd be down by about 2,000 deaths. Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
Guest Posted May 9, 2020 Report Posted May 9, 2020 37 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: At least he's handling it. If our PM would have handled this properly in Jan or Feb we'd have about 4,000 less deaths. If he would have just implemented travel bans at the end of Jan we'd be down by about 2,000 deaths. Well..... he probably ly could have done better.....but he still took it seriously. He had to deal with his wife getting it too. he important thing is that the numbers are going down....... and w e have to keep it that way. Meanwhile the numbers are going up considerably in the US. (and is now in the whitehouse.) No Trump did not handle it well.... and has changed positions more often than a person changes their underwear. He refuses to set an example .....so of cores the population is not going to take the situation seriously The lack of supplies for the front line workers . He would pick fights with various governors. Instead of working together to deal with this . Overall , it has been very disorganized. There is more cohesion in how CDA is handling it. We are not out of the woods yet.......but getting a bit closer. but if one is " conservative.".....then nothing Trudeau does is adequate;-) He has made mistakes......of course he has. Lots of leader have. This virus caught a lot of us off guard. We in N.America saw it as some Chinese thing....until it exploded. Poor Boris Johnson got the virus.....and that threw things off in Britain. Germany has handled it well. Never thought I would be living in a world pandemic of this size. The lives lost world wide from this one virus....is astounding. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 9, 2020 Report Posted May 9, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Pacifica77 said: He refuses to set an example .....so of cores the population is not going to take the situation seriously The lack of supplies for the front line workers . He would pick fights with various governors. Instead of working together to deal with this . Overall , it has been very disorganized. There is more cohesion in how CDA is handling it. We are not out of the woods yet.......but getting a bit closer. Well, the difference here is that Americans for the most part did not look to Canada for comparisons. Canada has a habit of benchmarking itself against the U.S. for many different issues, from gun control to healthcare. It is in Canada's DNA. At U.S. scale, Canada would have about 46,000 deaths...better...but nothing to brag about. And it was Trudeau who begged Trump and 3M for a PPE export agreement. The U.S. Feds are not responsible as primary PPE supplier...FEMA is a limited surge capacity called on by states. Edited May 9, 2020 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guest Posted May 9, 2020 Report Posted May 9, 2020 32 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Well, the difference here is that Americans for the most part did not look to Canada for comparisons. Canada has a habit of benchmarking itself against the U.S. for many different issues, from gun control to healthcare. It is in Canada's DNA. At U.S. scale, Canada would have about 46,000 deaths...better...but nothing to brag about. And it was Trudeau who begged Trump and 3M for a PPE export agreement. The U.S. Feds are not responsible as primary PPE supplier...FEMA is a limited surge capacity called on by states. Begged??? IF that is the case......it must have made Trump feel so empowered... and important...which is important to him.. Trump has to be "handled"........... as world leaders have found out. He is so erratic and unpredictable Both countries have been h it by this virus....... and if ever , we should all be working together to beat the darn thing. Both countries are suffering unemployment records........and this is not over. The health of both nations is critical........ as if this goes out of control........ there will be no people to work and re establish the economy. Or maybe the is little concern for the dying which are the aged, the minorities. This is a new virus.......and we are all learning. Working together is the ideal thing in this common problem. Sharing information, procedures, would be beneficial..... as everyone benefits. But Trump does not play nice with others....unless they are a dictator or he can use them. So why did Trump not wear a mask today when he met with the vets?? With the virus in the white house...he could be a carrier. Why take a chance with these elderly that deserve so much respect. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 9, 2020 Report Posted May 9, 2020 29 minutes ago, Pacifica77 said: Begged??? IF that is the case......it must have made Trump feel so empowered... and important...which is important to him.. Trump has to be "handled"........... as world leaders have found out. He is so erratic and unpredictable Trump did what any national leader would do when his nation is faced with a shortage of PPE..."America First". Very predictable.... Quote Both countries have been h it by this virus....... and if ever , we should all be working together to beat the darn thing. Both countries are suffering unemployment records........and this is not over. The health of both nations is critical........ as if this goes out of control........ there will be no people to work and re establish the economy. Countries are working together....nothing special about Canada or America in that regard. Trump is not going to relent from his rhetoric or actions just because of a pandemic. "There will be no people" is an exaggeration. Quote So why did Trump not wear a mask today when he met with the vets?? With the virus in the white house...he could be a carrier. Why take a chance with these elderly that deserve so much respect. He could be, but he is also tested every day. He doesn't want to wear a mask for political reasons. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guest Posted May 9, 2020 Report Posted May 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Trump did what any national leader would do when his nation is faced with a shortage of PPE..."America First". Very predictable.... Countries are working together....nothing special about Canada or America in that regard. Trump is not going to relent from his rhetoric or actions just because of a pandemic. "There will be no people" is an exaggeration. He could be, but he is also tested every day. He doesn't want to wear a mask for political reasons. Political reasons?? Don't think so...... He as much as admitted that he does not look good with a mask on. VANITY He could have it.....and depending on the incubation period he could be spreading it. again? WY TAKE A CHANCE with such important elderly as the VETS?? It is a sheer lack of respect and regard for them. His actions speak volumes. about how little he c ares about others. It is irresponsible and careless. The problem is that most are too afraid to tell him what he should be doing.......as in his mind he knows better........ and can't tolerate being told anything. He just reacts by shaming those that he thinks offended him. It does not take much to offend him. No, Trump will not change his ways because of a pandemic. Perish the thought. Everyone else must do so and follow protocols recommended by the health professionals. After all...he is exceptional........in HIS mind. He is behaving like a rebellious two year old. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 9, 2020 Report Posted May 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Pacifica77 said: Political reasons?? Don't think so...... Yes it is...Trump wants to portray himself as Trump, not Trump with a mask during a pandemic. This is an election year in the United States. Quote No, Trump will not change his ways because of a pandemic. Perish the thought. Everyone else must do so and follow protocols recommended by the health professionals. After all...he is exceptional........in HIS mind. He is behaving like a rebellious two year old. Millions of people are not following "protocols", regardless of Trump. Many Americans are not sheep, and do not expect their government to protect them from any and all perils. That is Trump's base.....did I mention it is an election year ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guest Posted May 9, 2020 Report Posted May 9, 2020 (edited) 24 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Yes it is...Trump wants to portray himself as Trump, not Trump with a mask during a pandemic. This is an election year in the United States. Millions of people are not following "protocols", regardless of Trump. Many Americans are not sheep, and do not expect their government to protect them from any and all perils. That is Trump's base.....did I mention it is an election year ? Yes. you did mention it.:-) the whole world know s it.;-).... and will b e watching. Hoping for some civility & sound reason /sanity to return to the white house. Yes..... it is highly evident that many are not following protocols.......... and the numbers are rising. .......including in the white house. So one can expect t that it will take longer to get the virus under control. Getting it under control is the whole World's objective. The world is interconnected...... so the nations that are laps in taking control will stand out.... negatively. Edited May 9, 2020 by Guest Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 9, 2020 Report Posted May 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Pacifica77 said: Yes. you did mention it.:-) the whole world know s it.;-).... and will b e watching. Hoping for some civility & sound reason /sanity to return to the white house. Yes..... it is highly evident that many are not following protocols.......... and the numbers are rising. .......including in the white house. So one can expect t that it will take longer to get the virus under control. Getting it under control is the whole World's objective. The world is interconnected...... so the nations that are laps in taking control will stand out.... negatively. Many are not following protocols in the whole world...and that includes Canada, with people already pushing back against the lockdowns. Why single out Trump, who has actually performed better than other national leaders (e.g. Europe) ? No matter what Trump does, the Trump haters will never get past their personal animosity...so screw them from Trump's perspective. The virus started in China...but it is not politically correct to say so. Blame Trump instead... Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guest Posted May 9, 2020 Report Posted May 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Many are not following protocols in the whole world...and that includes Canada, with people already pushing back against the lockdowns. Why single out Trump, who has actually performed better than other national leaders (e.g. Europe) ? No matter what Trump does, the Trump haters will never get past their personal animosity...so screw them from Trump's perspective. The virus started in China...but it is not politically correct to say so. Blame Trump instead... The virus could have started any where. Yes.... I blame Trump for behaving in an irresponsible fashion. I also question the population for ignoring the protocols. If they had followed them......there is a good chance the numbers would not be rising. Can't blame them for not listening to the Trump regime. There is nothing consistent or cohesive coming from them. And if you can't respect the health professionals......... then its the wild west and everyone does as he sees fit. If folks are not able or wiling to take a pandemic seriously.......... then they deserve any fallout that comes their way. This applies to all nations. In a wold pandemic....... what each nation does MATTERS. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 9, 2020 Report Posted May 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Pacifica77 said: The virus could have started any where. Yes.... I blame Trump for behaving in an irresponsible fashion. I also question the population for ignoring the protocols. If they had followed them......there is a good chance the numbers would not be rising. Can't blame them for not listening to the Trump regime. There is nothing consistent or cohesive coming from them. And if you can't respect the health professionals......... then its the wild west and everyone does as he sees fit. If folks are not able or wiling to take a pandemic seriously.......... then they deserve any fallout that comes their way. This applies to all nations. In a wold pandemic....... what each nation does MATTERS. Blame Trump all you want...it does not matter in the least. Same thing applies to other nations...like Canada...not just the USA. But Trump gets and wants the focus...like moths to a flame. Canadians were even watching Trump's daily task force briefings.....Americans were not watching Trudeau or Dr. Tam. Dr. Fauci (expert) told America that coronavirus was not a threat to the U.S. in January....to worry more about influenza. The world is never consistent or cohesive....entropy rules apply. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guest Posted May 9, 2020 Report Posted May 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Blame Trump all you want...it does not matter in the least. Same thing applies to other nations...like Canada...not just the USA. But Trump gets and wants the focus...like moths to a flame. Canadians were even watching Trump's daily task force briefings.....Americans were not watching Trudeau or Dr. Tam. Dr. Fauci (expert) told America that coronavirus was not a threat to the U.S. in January....to worry more about influenza. The world is never consistent or cohesive....entropy rules apply. I guess the difference is that CDA is interested in is neighbor and how it is doing. It's neighbor however could care less about anyone but itself. America first. Just a total difference in attitude. In fact we are interested in other nations. ..... . BBC is a positive source of news and info. ..International. We are not isolative. The US under Trump has become more isolated. If this is what you want ...... it is your choice. But you want it both ways...... to isolate and to meddle where you don't belong. We are all living through something highly unusual. How we all handle it is going to go down in history....... to be learned from , examined, and critiqued. Quote
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