Moonlight Graham Posted November 24, 2019 Report Posted November 24, 2019 2 hours ago, Dougie93 said: Oh please, these people are just pathetically weak. Stop enabling them You don't know their situation. That can certainly be the case for some or even most, while others have a serious mental illness medical conditions. Are soldiers with PTSD "pathetically weak"? Absolutely not. It's absolutely ignorant to label all people with anxiety disorders as simply "weak". Again, sometimes it is the case, yes many people have been sheltered all their lives and need to built resilience and face their fears to get past them. It's on a case-by-case basis and we don't know this poster's situation. I'm sure a lot of people with anxiety would benefit from basic training, but throwing those of them with serious chronic mental illness into a warzone is a horrible and cruel idea that will do more harm than good. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Dougie93 Posted November 24, 2019 Report Posted November 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Moonlight Graham said: You don't know their situation. That can certainly be the case for some or even most, while others have a serious mental illness medical conditions. Are soldiers with PTSD "pathetically weak"? Absolutely not. Pretty sure this person has not been to war, claiming that you have PTSD when you have not been in combat, is pathetically weak. Quote
Dougie93 Posted November 24, 2019 Report Posted November 24, 2019 Furthermore, the vast majority of soldiers with PTSD do not sit around on welfare feeling sorry for themselves, they continue to work, many continue to serve. PTSD is not a crutch, you still have to get back on the horse. Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted November 24, 2019 Report Posted November 24, 2019 2 hours ago, Dougie93 said: If their excuse for not working is that they have "anxiety", then they are scamming us. You clearly don't know much about anxiety or mental illness, or at least severe anxiety. Sometimes it can be legitimately crippling. Some people suffer from agoraphobia and are unable to leave their house without suffering massive panic attacks. They can be helped, and should seek help as a condition of social assistance, but stop labeling and stereotyping all people with mental illness into one camp. It's like telling people with extreme clinical depression to "suck it up buttercup, everyone gets the blues sometimes". Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Dougie93 Posted November 24, 2019 Report Posted November 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said: You clearly don't know much about anxiety or mental illness, or at least severe anxiety. Sometimes it can be legitimately crippling. Some people suffer from agoraphobia and are unable to leave their house without suffering massive panic attacks. They can be helped, and should seek help as a condition of social assistance, but stop labeling and stereotyping all people with mental illness into one camp. It's like telling people with extreme clinical depression to "suck it up buttercup, everyone gets the blues sometimes". Stop with the pathetic sob stories, soft as warm baby shit Canada. Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted November 24, 2019 Report Posted November 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: Pretty sure this person has not been to war, claiming that you have PTSD when you have not been in combat, is pathetically weak. So if somebody kidnaps you and rapes you 5 times, or somebody comes to your high school and shoots a dozen people and you suffer PTSD you're pathetically weak? Combat isn't the only place where severe mental trauma can happen. Hell has a lot of faces. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Guest ProudConservative Posted November 24, 2019 Report Posted November 24, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said: So if somebody kidnaps you and rapes you 5 times, or somebody comes to your high school and shoots a dozen people and you suffer PTSD you're pathetically weak? Combat isn't the only place where severe mental trauma can happen. Hell has a lot of faces. If we want to get rid of mental illness, we got to get people back to work.... Paying people to do nothing, is what creates mass shooters and psycopaths. The most effective way to get people back to work, is to completly abolish welfare, and eliminate minimum wage. Then you have more jobs available than people. Edited November 24, 2019 by ProudConservative Quote
Dougie93 Posted November 24, 2019 Report Posted November 24, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said: So if somebody kidnaps you and rapes you 5 times, or somebody comes to your high school and shoots a dozen people and you suffer PTSD you're pathetically weak? Combat isn't the only place where severe mental trauma can happen. Hell has a lot of faces. Cry me a river, your choices are ; get on with life and sort yourself out, or you can be homeless in the streets. The government is not going to save you, your sob stories are pointless wallowing in self pity, which is all Canadians do these days apparently. Edited November 24, 2019 by Dougie93 Quote
Dougie93 Posted November 24, 2019 Report Posted November 24, 2019 The principle mental illness in Canada is that Canadians are now raised to be pathetically weak cry babies who think the government should run their lives for them Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted November 24, 2019 Report Posted November 24, 2019 5 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: Furthermore, the vast majority of soldiers with PTSD do not sit around on welfare feeling sorry for themselves, they continue to work, many continue to serve. PTSD is not a crutch, you still have to get back on the horse. Sure that's fine. My main point is everything should be done on a case by case basis. You've labelled everyone with anxiety as pathetically weak which you already admit is wrong because of soldiers with PTSD. I;ve already stated that everyone with any kind of disability should be forced to work as many hours as they are medically able to in order to receive government benefits. We have to balance having compassion with not enabling people and creating dependence. Same with aboriginals on reserves. We need to have some compassion and support them with basic services while at the same time not supporting this counter-productive situation of dependence that robs them of any human dignity and personal responsibility. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Dougie93 Posted November 24, 2019 Report Posted November 24, 2019 10 minutes ago, ProudConservative said: If we want to get rid of mental illness, we got to get people back to work.... Paying people to do nothing, is what creates mass shooters and psycopaths. These malingerers going on social assistance for their bullshit "anxiety disorders" are just stealing resources from actually disabled people, so they're nobody to have sympathy for. Quote
Dougie93 Posted November 24, 2019 Report Posted November 24, 2019 7 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said: Sure that's fine. My main point is everything should be done on a case by case basis. You've labelled everyone with anxiety as pathetically weak which you already admit is wrong because of soldiers with PTSD. I have no sympathy for a soldier who wallows around in self pity claiming that he can't work because he has PTSD. As a former solider, I call that malingering. Even if you have PTSD, you still have to show up for parade in the morning and do your job. Quote
Guest ProudConservative Posted November 24, 2019 Report Posted November 24, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: These malingerers going on social assistance for their bullshit "anxiety disorders" are just stealing resources from actually disabled people, so they're nobody to have sympathy for. Well what if their gender dysphoria caused them some anxiety... and they can't work, because the employers won't hire someone who's transgender? I know if I owned a resturant, I would refuse to hire a transgender waitress. I have the right to keep my customers. Edited November 24, 2019 by ProudConservative Quote
Dougie93 Posted November 24, 2019 Report Posted November 24, 2019 One of my best friends in the army was shot seven times point blank with an AK47 in an ambush. He has PTSD from that. He also has a wife and two kids and a house and he gets up and goes to work everyday, PTSD doesn't hold him back from getting on with his life 'PTSD' is no excuse for malingering Quote
Dougie93 Posted November 24, 2019 Report Posted November 24, 2019 5 minutes ago, ProudConservative said: Well what if their gender dysphoria caused them some anxiety... I find that to be another fake illness used as a rubric to excuse social degeneracy Quote
Guest ProudConservative Posted November 24, 2019 Report Posted November 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Dougie93 said: One of my best friends in the army was shot seven times point blank with an AK47 in an ambush. He has PTSD from that. He also has a wife and two kids and a house and he gets up and goes to work everyday, PTSD doesn't hold him back from getting on with his life 'PTSD' is no excuse for malingering Here's Michael Savage on PTSD Quote
Dougie93 Posted November 24, 2019 Report Posted November 24, 2019 Just now, ProudConservative said: Here's Michael Savage on PTSD Agreed, I have no time for the celebration of weakness neither. Quote
Dougie93 Posted November 24, 2019 Report Posted November 24, 2019 I mean, do you know how easy it would be for me to claim I had PTSD? I served half my life in the infantry, any doctor out there would accept my claim. On what basis? Because I said so, that's how easy it is. So what is the result? Everybody and their sister is claiming they have PTSD, it's ridiculous. Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted November 24, 2019 Report Posted November 24, 2019 7 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: Cry me a river, your choices are ; get on with life and sort yourself out, or you can be homeless in the streets. The government is not going to save you, your sob stories are pointless wallowing in self pity, which is all Canadians do these days apparently. You are completely ignorant of the plight of homeless people. Virtually all homeless people have horrific mental illnesses like schizophrenia, bipolar disorder etc, OR they were sexually molested as children and ran away from home or were taken from their parents and put in shitty group or foster homes and ran away. I've worked with this population, what they've dealt with in their lives would crush most people. Most aren't simply weak, many are survivors living in hell. How many people do you know who would spend years sleeping on a park bench in freezing temps with no family to turn to for help after running away after getting molested by their parent, spend Christmases growing up in group homes without family or any adult who loves them while eating sh!t out of dumpsters? Most people would commit suicide, but these folks keep on truckin. These people have massive imbalances with their brain chemistry and lack the neuro chemicals like natural opioids/endorphins etc that make healthy people content, happy, relaxed, motivated etc so they do drugs in order to provide themselves with these chemicals their brains lack and desperately crave that's missing and everyone needs. They also use drugs to cope with their emotional pain and escape their sh!tty reality. Some people don't know how to sort themselves out. That's the point of social services like social workers, psychologists, AA meetings etc. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Dougie93 Posted November 24, 2019 Report Posted November 24, 2019 (edited) I grew up in Regent Park, I was robbed, beaten, stabbed, shot at, and was subjected to police brutality by 51 Division cops Can I claim PTSD? I bet I could. Edited November 24, 2019 by Dougie93 Quote
Dougie93 Posted November 24, 2019 Report Posted November 24, 2019 9 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said: You are completely ignorant of the plight of homeless people. Virtually all homeless people have horrific mental illnesses like schizophrenia, bipolar disorder etc, OR they were sexually molested as children and ran away from home or were taken from their parents and put in shitty group or foster homes and ran away. I've worked with this population, what they've dealt with in their lives would crush most people. Too bad so sad, but the government is not going to save them, they will likely die in the streets, it's a cruel world out there, only the strong survive. Quote
Dougie93 Posted November 24, 2019 Report Posted November 24, 2019 I've seen death, up close and personal, I've seen people die horrible deaths. Did it traumatize me? Not that I can tell. All it taught me was to enjoy life to the fullest, because every day is a gift. Everybody gotta die sometime, so don't wallow in the past nor worry about the future, just live in the now. Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted November 24, 2019 Report Posted November 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: Too bad so sad, but the government is not going to save them, they will likely die in the streets, it's a cruel world out there, only the strong survive. The homeless are surviving, based on the fact they aren't dead. Sometimes people need a hand to get themselves back on their feet, especially when they don't have any loving family to help support them through tough times. That should be the point of social safety net. It's a net, it shouldn't be a bed you sleep on forever. Have schizophrenia? Too bad so sad. Suck it up, its a cruel world. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Dougie93 Posted November 24, 2019 Report Posted November 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Moonlight Graham said: Have schizophrenia? Too bad so sad. Suck it up, its a cruel world. Only the strong survive, the Canadian government can't save you, they can't even save themselves. Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted November 24, 2019 Report Posted November 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Dougie93 said: I've seen death, up close and personal, I've seen people die horrible deaths. Did it traumatize me? Not that I can tell. All it taught me was to enjoy life to the fullest, because every day is a gift. Everybody gotta die sometime, so don't wallow in the past nor worry about the future, just live in the now. Ok so you have a lot of resilience. Some people don't. Some people get PTSD. Person is dying of thirst on the street, i'd hope you'd give them a drink of water rather than telling them to suck it up, everybody gotta die some day. These people don't need life advice from an internet tough guy who is so tough he spends every waking moment posting on internet message boards. Go get some fresh air and save us the self-righteousness ffs. Did I hurt your feelings? Suck it up and cry me a river tough guy 1 Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
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