Social Assistance/ODSP

[Guest ProudConservative]

Just now, Dougie93 said:

Well it's like they say Millennials thought they were going to come into the workforce and be able to take charge and lead.

Then they were disappointed to discover that the Boomers weren't going to let them be in charge of anything, they just wanted them to fetch coffee.

The army is what the Millennials were looking for, they sent me on my leadership course when I was only 19, the army is where young people are given a chance to lead.

Do you think boomers are condesending towards Millennials?

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, ProudConservative said:

Do you think businesses and corporations should design a hierarchy similar to the military?

Not necessarily, no.   Depends on the business model.

[Guest ProudConservative]

6 minutes ago, Iceni warrior said:

Where do I claim my free money?

Go ask Justin Trudeau. I'm sure he could point you in the right dirrection.

[Dougie93]

Just now, ProudConservative said:

Do you think boomers are condesending towards Millennials?

I can't really say,  I'm not a Millennial, I'm Generation X.    I have no quarrel with the Boomers though, they've never done me any harm.

[Guest ProudConservative]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

Not necessarily, no.   Depends on the business model.

Well making a hierarchy based upon mutual respect and pride... instead of.... you go be my Bhitch mentality.

[Iceni warrior]

1 minute ago, ProudConservative said:

Go ask Justin Trudeau. I'm sure he could point you in the right dirrection.

Sounds like a great guy.

[Guest ProudConservative]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

I can't really say,  I'm not a Millennial, I'm Generation X.    I have no quarrel with the Boomers though, they've never done me any harm.

My favourite generation is the world war 2 generation. Some who are still alive today.

[Guest ProudConservative]

1 minute ago, Iceni warrior said:

Sounds like a great guy.

No one here likes Justin!

[jacee]

51 minutes ago, ProudConservative said:

Why can't you respect what he has to say? I don't agree with everything he says, but he makes the debate more interesting... Let him speak.

Dougie can speak freely.

I can speak freely.

Nobody promised anybody an adoring audience. 

Why do Conservatives demand free speech, and then try to deny it to others?  Lol 

It's like you are demanding that people agree. Lol

That's not the way free speech works. In fact, free speech is specifically the right to openly disagree ... and especially to dissent against government/state authority.

 

Edited November 24, 2019 by jacee

[Iceni warrior]

1 minute ago, ProudConservative said:

No one here likes Justin!

The opposition must be really unpopular then since he just got re-elected.

[Dougie93]

6 minutes ago, ProudConservative said:

Well making a hierarchy based upon mutual respect and pride... instead of.... you go be my Bhitch mentality.

The military is perhaps not as hierarchical as you surmise, it operates under what is called Mission Command.

You are given a mission and told your commander's intent, and then you plan out how that is going to be done at your level, your share of the work.

So there is a chain of command, but you are in that chain of command and you are commanding your sub unit, so you're in charge of your own destiny.

Edited November 24, 2019 by Dougie93

[Guest ProudConservative]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

The military is perhaps not as hierarchical as you surmise, it operates under what is called Mission Command.

You are given a mission and told your commander's intent, and then you plan out how that is going to be done at your level, your share of the work.

So there is a chain of command, but you are in that chain of command and you are commanding your sub unit, so you're in charge of your own destiny.

Where did Canadian soldiers kill the most people? What country during the 80's and 90's?

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, ProudConservative said:

Where did Canadian soldiers kill the most people? What country during the 80's and 90's?

I don't know, I never looked into it, it's not relevant to me.

[Dougie93]

14 minutes ago, ProudConservative said:

My favourite generation is the world war 2 generation. Some who are still alive today.

My favorite generation is my own, that's who I understand and identify with, I think we have a good life, because it is what we make of it.

[Guest ProudConservative]

Well Canada seems like a peaceful loving country, is Canada more dirty than the average person thinks?

[Dougie93]

Just now, ProudConservative said:

Well Canada seems like a peaceful loving country, is Canada more dirty than the average person thinks?

I don't think it's dirty, I think it is a failed state which is degenerating into a totalitarian regime run by and for entrenched interest elites at the expense of everybody else.

[Dougie93]

Canada's peace and prosperity is entirely related to its proximity to and relationship with America.

For example if Canada was located next to the Chinese, like Hong Kong, Canada would have been invaded and subjugated by the Communists by now.

Canadian governance is actually atrocious, it is only America which  is propping this basket case up.

Edited November 24, 2019 by Dougie93

[Guest ProudConservative]

2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I don't think it's dirty, I think it is a failed state which is degenerating into a totalitarian regime run by and for entrenched interest elites at the expense of everybody else.

There's a missconception that Canadians are peacekeepers. Where did we Canadian troops kill lots of enemies?

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, ProudConservative said:

There's a missconception that Canadians are peacekeepers. Where did we Canadian troops kill lots of enemies?

I wouldn't discuss how many people the Canadian Forces have killed, that information is disclosed at the discretion of the chain of command.

[Dougie93]

Bear in mind that it is Canadian Forces doctrine that we only discuss our personal experiences, what we know, I am not a spokesman for the chain of command.

[jacee]

1 hour ago, ProudConservative said:

At $14 an hour, no employeer is going to take a chance on someone who even appears schizophrenic. ...

We got to get rid of the minimum wage to help these people.

Nonsense. There's that punitive mentality again. You do comprehend that punishment and hardship inflicted on people is not a viable strategy toward improvement of anything? It simply compounds the problem, makes it more costly to our society. 

First, we have to increase minimum wage so that a person working full time can actually live on it.

Then we have to implement a guaranteed living income for all, that does not get clawed back as soon as you get some work: That would allow (eg) schizophrenics to work to the extent that they are capable of, and employers to provide employment on that basis, without the constant pressure of losing benefits and housing if employment ceases. Plus it saves huge bureaucratic costs in government staffing required for 'means testing', a revolving door of constantly pushing paper around in approving/rescinding someone's income support, housing and other social benefits.

A guaranteed income program makes it possible for everyone to go through life's setbacks (injury, illness, disability, mental illness or disorders, caring for aging parents/disabled pregnancy, childrearing, economic recessions/layoffs, etc etc) without becoming destitute or homeless, and thus still maintaining the strength to re-enter the workforce when feasible. 

The cost savings of a guaranteed living income are well documented, and the savings are at least 1.5 times the cost of providing that income. 

Edited November 24, 2019 by jacee

[Guest ProudConservative]

2 minutes ago, jacee said:

Nonsense. There's that punitive mentality again. You do comprehend that punishment and hardship inflicted on people is not a viable strategy toward improvement of anything? 

First, we have to increase minimum wage so that a person working full time can actually live on it.

Then we have to implement a guaranteed living income for all, that does not get clawed back as soon as you get some work: That would allow (eg) schizophrenics to work to the extent that they are capable of, and employers to provide employment on that basis, without the constant pressure of losing benefits and housing if employment ceases. Plus it saves huge bureaucratic costs in government staffing required for 'means testing', a revolving door of constantly pushing paper around in approving/rescinding someone's income support, housing and other social benefits.

A guaranteed income program makes it possible for everyone to go through life's setbacks (injury, illness, disability, mental illness or disorders, caring for aging parents/disabled pregnancy, childrearing, economic recessions/layoffs, etc etc) without becoming destitute or homeless, and thus still maintaining the strength to re-enter the workforce when feasible. 

The cost savings of a guaranteed living income are well documented, and the savings are at least 1.5 times the cost of providing that income. 

So that means, every citizen gets free money from the government, even if they don't work?

[jacee]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

Says you, with 12,250 posts on this forum, all of them full of your self righteousness, declaiming people for being "White Supremacists!"

If the shoe fits ...  lol 

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, jacee said:

If the shoe fits ...  lol 

12, 253 posts of blather, and counting.

[Guest ProudConservative]

5 minutes ago, jacee said:

If the shoe fits ...  lol 

Are you a millennial?