Guest Posted April 21, 2019 Report Posted April 21, 2019 23 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: So like...worse than WW2 ? Worse than total thermonuclear war ? Worse than the last mass extinction ? Worse than when hominids did not even exist ? I agree there is no badness scale....and any attempt to scare people into reacting to such claims will not make any difference. Just sit back and enjoy the ride....the Laws of Thermodynamics both giveth and taketh away. What does worse mean? More deaths? Less happiness? Who knows? Pretty bad. It might not be as bad as total thermonuclear war, as there will be no radioactive fallout. Unless it all results in one. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted April 21, 2019 Report Posted April 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Well, on a personal note, I have started to search for a counter-intuitive solution to global warming...errr...I mean climate change. I will have to upgrade to a two stage snow blower/thrower to more efficiently manage higher snowfall rates, but I can't decide whether to go with the proven gasoline powered goliath of old or join the boutique club of cheap, wimpy battery powered units with lithium batteries. City snow plows leave huge berms at the end of the driveway and the eco-warriors don't have a good solution yet besides my aching back and cardiac stress. I guess it goes back to Apocalypse Now...and loving the smell of petroleum in the morning. This is how mankind adapts ! I was up til dawn watching AN! Redux. It finally makes sense...heh. Dog will need a nap, eventually...under the umbrella in the toasty globally warmed back lot area...beers are on me. 1 Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted April 21, 2019 Report Posted April 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, bcsapper said: What does worse mean? More deaths? Less happiness? Who knows? Pretty bad. It might not be as bad as total thermonuclear war, as there will be no radioactive fallout. Unless it all results in one. It's fairly probable if you're into probability... Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 21, 2019 Report Posted April 21, 2019 1 minute ago, bcsapper said: What does worse mean? More deaths? Less happiness? Who knows? Pretty bad. It might not be as bad as total thermonuclear war, as there will be no radioactive fallout. Unless it all results in one. Still too vague.....what is pretty bad ? Remember the ebola scare...."WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE !!!"....that bad ? Bring on the bad...I want to see it on my HD 4K monitor. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted April 21, 2019 Report Posted April 21, 2019 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Still too vague.....what is pretty bad ? Remember the ebola scare...."WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE !!!"....that bad ? Bring on the bad...I want to see it on my HD 4K monitor. Ebola kills too quick to be that globally dangerous. Old Russkie Hemorrhagic Variola, which apparently still exists in quantity, would be far more of a concern... Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest Posted April 21, 2019 Report Posted April 21, 2019 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: Still too vague.....what is pretty bad ? Remember the ebola scare...."WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE !!!"....that bad ? Bring on the bad...I want to see it on my HD 4K monitor. Well, vague, sure. I have a crystal ball? Ebola was never a scare. Aids was, for a while. No, we're fairly clever when it comes to dealing with things like that. But take a look at the workshop in incompetence given by everyone involved in mitigating climate change over the last thirty years. If we showed anything like that when it came to diseases we would all have been wiped out by the cold a long time ago. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted April 21, 2019 Report Posted April 21, 2019 (edited) Or as Bonam warns us often...AI Singularity will be one of those uh-oh moments of doubt and pain... What would HAL do? Edited April 21, 2019 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 21, 2019 Report Posted April 21, 2019 1 minute ago, bcsapper said: Well, vague, sure. I have a crystal ball? Ebola was never a scare. Aids was, for a while. No, we're fairly clever when it comes to dealing with things like that. But take a look at the workshop in incompetence given by everyone involved in mitigating climate change over the last thirty years. If we showed anything like that when it came to diseases we would all have been wiped out by the cold a long time ago. You have just described more adaptation....and that applies to climate change too....no big deal. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted April 21, 2019 Report Posted April 21, 2019 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: You have just described more adaptation....and that applies to climate change too....no big deal. Human ability to adapt is why we're here, after-all. Stupid dinosaurs... Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest Posted April 21, 2019 Report Posted April 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: You have just described more adaptation....and that applies to climate change too....no big deal. Deal size is relative. If you survive okay, it's no big deal. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 21, 2019 Report Posted April 21, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, bcsapper said: Deal size is relative. If you survive okay, it's no big deal. Do you really believe that "peoplekind" will be wiped out by climate change if no mitigation steps are taken ? I mean...seriously ? Edited April 21, 2019 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guest Posted April 21, 2019 Report Posted April 21, 2019 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Do you really believe that "peoplekind" will be wiped out by climate change if no mitigation steps are taken ? I mean...seriously ? No. All of them? No. There will always be people left. The idea that AGW either is not an issue, or everybody dies, is one of the problems. Many of those who don't think everyone is going to die think it is not an issue. The planet, as far as humans are concerned, is in shit state. It will get a lot worse, and a lot of people are going to suffer, and try to take what those who are suffering somewhat less have away from them. The current problems with migration will be looked upon fondly as a time of peace and goodwill when people really start to move. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted April 21, 2019 Report Posted April 21, 2019 Homo Sapiens will have their moment...and then gone, too. Global warming or not...we're an evolving ape-like creature, after-all. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 21, 2019 Report Posted April 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, bcsapper said: The planet, as far as humans are concerned, is in shit state. It will get a lot worse, and a lot of people are going to suffer, and try to take what those who are suffering somewhat less have away from them. The current problems with migration will be looked upon fondly as a time of peace and goodwill when people really start to move. Oh...so you mean it will be just as it has always been...that's a relief ! Droughts...famines...pestilence...social unrest...economic calamity...wars...pandemics....killer storms...flooding....earthquakes....and Justin Beiber. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guest Posted April 21, 2019 Report Posted April 21, 2019 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: Oh...so you mean it will be just as it has always been...that's a relief ! Droughts...famines...pestilence...social unrest...economic calamity...wars...pandemics....killer storms...flooding....earthquakes....and Justin Beiber. Sure, just worse. Except for Justin Beiber. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted April 21, 2019 Report Posted April 21, 2019 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: Oh...so you mean it will be just as it has always been...that's a relief ! Droughts...famines...pestilence...social unrest...economic calamity...wars...pandemics....killer storms...flooding....earthquakes....and Justin Beiber. Apparently the Early Triassic was the least diverse period of Earth's history...post-Permian you-know-what. All of today's variety (dwindling) comes from those few species that survived THAT horror-show. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
eyeball Posted April 21, 2019 Report Posted April 21, 2019 2 hours ago, ironstone said: The thing I fear most about climate change/global warming is the steady onslaught of rising taxes and the cost of living We should probably be more fearful of the concurrent rise of polarization and hatred. There'll probably be more widespread death and suffering as a result of that than anything else. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 21, 2019 Report Posted April 21, 2019 Just now, bcsapper said: Sure, just worse. Except for Justin Beiber. OK...worse is good....we can handle worse....just fill more sand bags. About 60 million people die each year from natural and unnatural causes right now ....can you beat that ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted April 21, 2019 Report Posted April 21, 2019 Earth's history re: complex life, that-is. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 21, 2019 Report Posted April 21, 2019 1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said: Apparently the Early Triassic was the least diverse period of Earth's history...post-Permian you-know-what. All of today's variety (dwindling) comes from those few species that survived THAT horror-show. Excellent point....it has been estimated by esteemed eggheads that 99% of all species (fauna and flora) went extinct long before mankind rubbed two sticks together to heat up his two bedroom cave. 1 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guest Posted April 21, 2019 Report Posted April 21, 2019 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: OK...worse is good....we can handle worse....just fill more sand bags. About 60 million people die each year from natural and unnatural causes right now ....can you beat that ? Easily. Just watch. (Based, as I said earlier, on how old you are. If you're a Millennial, you are in for a surprise before your bits give out. I'll be dead, of course.) Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 21, 2019 Report Posted April 21, 2019 Just now, bcsapper said: Easily. Just watch. (Based, as I said earlier, on how old you are. If you're a Millennial, you are in for a surprise before your bits give out. I'll be dead, of course.) OK...we're getting somewhere now. More than 60 million....how many more....double ? triple ? Little wonder that the cremation business is growing fast...I get those things in the mail every week ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted April 21, 2019 Report Posted April 21, 2019 Humans can't help but be anthropocentric...so, as a group, we tend to view Earth's history only as it relates to us. I'm sure the planet will be happy to be rid itself of us...in true Lovelock fashion. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest Posted April 21, 2019 Report Posted April 21, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: OK...we're getting somewhere now. More than 60 million....how many more....double ? triple ? Little wonder that the cremation business is growing fast...I get those things in the mail every week ! Like I said, no crystal ball. But if you are suggesting that there will not be at least one more, I would have to disagree. After all, those 60 million were going to die anyway, right? As for your mail, you could use them to de ice your driveway, but some people might be missing their loved ones. Edited April 21, 2019 by bcsapper Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 21, 2019 Report Posted April 21, 2019 1 minute ago, bcsapper said: Like I said, no crystal ball. But if you are suggesting that there will not be at least one more, I would have to disagree. After all, those 60 million were going to die anyway, right? As for your mail, you could use them to de ice your driveway, but some people might be missing their loved ones. I'm just trying to bound your fears with actual numbers...this is a common technique in business. So best case would be 60,000,000 + 1 and worse case is unbounded according to the climate change alarmists. With a little effort, I bet we could define the upper boundary within +/- 10%, and it would not be enough to materially put a dent in population growth at current rates. We already know that economic growth reduces population in far greater numbers than the climate change boogie man. As for the cremation business model, they know where their market is, and they are not chasing 30 year old millennials afraid of climate change. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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