Canada needs to stop being China's bitch

[Robert Greene]

4 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Please stop ignoring the present day continuation of such policies (incarcerations, potable water, sterilizations, child confiscations, etc.)....making apologies does not and cannot fix the present.    Whatever happened in the United States is largely irrelevant to Canada's past and present sins when foolishly attempting to confront China on "human rights".

Only a fool would march up to the Chinese government and smugly demand a better record on human rights for a trade deal.

 

Why are you obsessed with Canada? If you can comment on Canada's politics, we should be able to comment on yours. Many of us want to the best for your country, so if we point out some concerns don't be offended.

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, Robert Greene said:

Why are you obsessed with Canada? If you can comment on Canada's politics, we should be able to comment on yours. Many of us want to the best for your country, so if we point out some concerns don't be offended.

 

Off topic....but knock yourself out.  Canada has been obsessed with the United States my entire life.

[Robert Greene]

Canada and US needs to work together. We want to remain the most powerful continent on the planet. We need to show leadership in the world.

[bush_cheney2004]

6 minutes ago, Robert Greene said:

Canada and US needs to work together. We want to remain the most powerful continent on the planet. We need to show leadership in the world.

 

Sure...with the U.S. paying the most blood and treasure.

The U.S. ain't buying that anymore (we're broke)....and neither will China.

Keep "Canadian values" in Canada...you can still watch all the American media you want.

[Robert Greene]

17 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Sure...with the U.S. paying the most blood and treasure.

The U.S. ain't buying that anymore (we're broke)....and neither will China.

Keep "Canadian values" in Canada...you can still watch all the American media you want.

See, I don't know what you're getting at. You're broke because you blew up the size of your government, and it cost a fortune to keep millions of unnecessary workers on payroll. Canadian values are American values. There Anglo values, so I don't really see a distinction.

If you get a real conservative in power, maybe you can rebuild your country, and balance your budget.

You got Mexican gangs at your border, so don't worry about Canada stealing a few jobs or whatever. We're a secure country, and should be your ally.

Edited April 3, 2019 by Robert Greene

[bush_cheney2004]

10 minutes ago, Robert Greene said:

See, I don't know what you're getting at. You're broke because you blew up the size of your government, and it cost a fortune to keep millions of unnecessary workers on payroll. Canadian values are American values. There Anglo values, so I don't really see a distinction.

If you get a real conservative in power, maybe you can rebuild your country, and balance your budget.

You got Mexican gangs at your border, so don't worry about Canada stealing a few jobs or whatever. We're a secure country, and should be your ally.

 

This is a China thread....and history says that Canada and the United States have often been in conflict.

China knows that Canada tries to hide behind the USA, but Trump changed all that.

Good luck....

[Robert Greene]

4 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

This is a China thread....and history says that Canada and the United States have often been in conflict.

China knows that Canada tries to hide behind the USA, but Trump changed all that.

Good luck....

Well I know several Americans that show their appreciation. I'm not worried about one persons opinion. I won't despise them, only the fools.

Edited April 3, 2019 by Robert Greene

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, Robert Greene said:

Well I know several Americans that show their appreciation. I'm not worried about one persons opinion. I won't despise them, only the fools.

 

Look...anti-American sentiment is rampant in Canada...and in Canadian media...long before Trump.

Fight your China battles by yourself....and stop depending so much on the U.S. anything.

[Robert Greene]

3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Look...anti-American sentiment is rampant in Canada...and in Canadian media...long before Trump.

Fight your China battles by yourself....and stop depending so much on the U.S. anything.

I'm pro American, so quit throwing stones at your friends. I tell off all my friends who speak crap about the US.

When they say your a police state, I tell them to go visit Singapore, or China.

BTW Trump admitted he went After Canada, because he needed China to put pressure on North Korea...

So he were made Canada the first scapegoat.

Canada is paying their workers almost as much as your paying yours. You're not losing jobs to Slave Wages in Canada.

Edited April 3, 2019 by Robert Greene

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, Robert Greene said:

I'm pro American, so quit throwing stones at your friends. I tell off all my friends who speak crap about the US.

When they say your a police state, I tell them to go visit Singapore, or China.

 

Most Americans don't know and don't care....Canada is largely ignored.   We don't stay up late to see who wins Canadian federal elections.

...and neither does China.    Remember China...the topic of this thread ?

[Robert Greene]

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Most Americans don't know and don't care....Canada is largely ignored.   We don't stay up late to see who wins Canadian federal elections.

...and neither does China.    Remember China...the topic of this thread ?

Why are you in such a crusty mood? You're trying to get feisty, with most people on this site.

 

Usually you're calm and chill, but you seem like your venting some stress your having.

I can't blame you, because I was doing the same thing a few days ago.

Something is bothering you, and your looking for a distraction.

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, Robert Greene said:

Why are you in such a crusty mood? You're trying to get feisty, with most people on this site.

 

Usually you're calm and chill, but you seem like your venting some stress your having.

I can't blame you, because I was doing the same thing a few days ago.

Something is bothering you, and your looking for a distraction.

 

Because you insist on remaining off-topic, and I know what will happen next.

If you need an American friend....go get an American dog.

What do you think about China ?

[Robert Greene]

7 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Because you insist on remaining off-topic, and I know what will happen next.

If you need an American friend....go get an American dog.

What do you think about China ?

I wish China would have their own civil war, and maybe they get some democracy.

Tibet, Taiwan, and Hong Kong are getting very impatient with China.

China is probably the most dangerous country on the planet.

As much as I hate the Arabs, China is trying to take over the world, and make everyone a slave to them.

They are lending money, hoping companies go bankrupt, so they can take them over.

I wish we would end all Trade with China, ban All Chinese immigration.

Edited April 3, 2019 by Robert Greene

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, Robert Greene said:

I wish China would have their own civil war, and maybe they get some democracy.

Tibet, Taiwan, and Hong Kong are getting very impatient with China.

China is probably the most dangerous country on the planet.

As much as I hate the Arabs, China is trying to take over the world, and make everyone a slave to them.

 

China is a nation of 1.5 BILLION people that will no longer be satisfied with third world living.    All nations will have to figure out how to adapt with this economic and military reality, and that includes Canada.   The old post WW2 / Cold War framework will no longer suffice...China is now a major player in regions where the West no longer has greatest influence.

There is no stopping China....nor should there be.

 

 

[Robert Greene]

17 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

There is no stopping China....nor should there be.

ok, I had just about enough of you. bye bye

Edited April 3, 2019 by Robert Greene

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, Robert Greene said:

ok, I had just about enough of you. bye bye

 

A fitting end....identical to Canada's current fiasco with China.  

Just hope it will go away.....

[DogOnPorch]

3 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

China is a nation of 1.5 BILLION people that will no longer be satisfied with third world living.    All nations will have to figure out how to adapt with this economic and military reality, and that includes Canada.   The old post WW2 / Cold War framework will no longer suffice...China is now a major player in regions where the West no longer has greatest influence.

There is no stopping China....nor should there be.

 

 

 

I recall when Made in Hong Kong was either cheap or very, very good...

Red China? They make stuff?? I already have an old Mao Jacket.

[bush_cheney2004]

20 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

I recall when Made in Hong Kong was either cheap or very, very good...

Red China? They make stuff?? I already have an old Mao Jacket.

 

A lot of people don't realize that China also has a "Never Again" attitude about loss of sovereignty, invasion, and occupation that stems from Japanese imperialism and civil war between the nationalists and communists (Stalin actually supported the nationalists in quirky pre-WW2 alignments).

Even as a backward nation, China was very important in the Pacific theatre as it engaged and tied up Japanese resources.    Over 14 million Chinese nationals died.

The UN found this out during the Korean War.

Fast forward to today.....China is never going to let that happen again.

Edited April 3, 2019 by bush_cheney2004

[Zeitgeist]

7 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Please stop ignoring the present day continuation of such policies (incarcerations, potable water, sterilizations, child confiscations, etc.)....making apologies does not and cannot fix the present.    Whatever happened in the United States is largely irrelevant to Canada's past and present sins when foolishly attempting to confront China on "human rights".

Only a fool would march up to the Chinese government and smugly demand a better record on human rights for a trade deal.

 

Nice try.  The US’s and China’s records speak for themselves.  Part of the reason we can even have this discussion is because there are so many Indigenous communities in Canada. We didn’t have the same degree of assimilation that the US has had.  In some cases it’s due to the remoteness of these communities, but a lot of resources have been dedicated to maintaining such communities, and how much of the funding came from within these communities?  It’s easier where large and more homogeneous communities exist, such as Nunavut, since the ownership of land and resources, as well as political self-determination are largely in the hands of Indigenous locals. Yet connecting such places to the rest of the country is expensive and mostly a federal responsibility.  Everyone wants access to amenities and services.  

In some ways total assimilation is easier, and may still be the choice of some going forward, but that’s not what the government is trying to do.  It’s quite the opposite.  I certainly want to see all Indigenous people thrive with true self-sustainability where people choose to remain on Indigenous territory, but that’s a choice for those communities to make.  Taxpayers will decide how much support they are willing to give financially.  

Even your good friend JT acknowledges Canada’s injustices and mistreatment and has done so with regard to discussions of human rights in China and avoiding hypocrisy.  

Edited April 3, 2019 by Zeitgeist

[bush_cheney2004]

2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Even your good friend JT acknowledges Canada’s injustices and mistreatment and has done so with regard to discussions of human rights in China and avoiding hypocrisy.  

 

You still don't get it...actions means louder than words/apologies and boil water restrictions over 25 years old, rendering anything Trudeau would say to China as meaningless and lacking credibility.  

China does not have to tolerate Trudeau's virtue signaling that you find so valuable for domestic politics....it is irrelevant.

Ideals vs. Outcomes

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

You still don't get it...actions means louder than words/apologies and boil water restrictions over 25 years old, rendering anything Trudeau would say to China as meaningless and lacking credibility.  

China does not have to tolerate Trudeau's virtue signaling that you find so valuable for domestic politics....it is irrelevant.

Ideals vs. Outcomes

I thought your Declaration of Independence was about local representation and self-determination.  We're talking about Indigenous communities where the water and other utility infrastructure has not only been built by outsiders, but has in some (most?) cases required outside maintenance and/or outside funding to maintain it.  That's fine as a stopgap, and I think most Canadians support continuing to do this to ensure that drinking water is safe and basic housing exists, but do you see how difficult it is to do all of this in remote northern small communities?  No one should see children suffer.  Children should also be in schools.  However, outside intervention often gets called a government "scoop" by Child and Family Services (or Children's Aid Society) when kids are living in desperate situations of substandard living conditions or neglect (and this includes due to addiction/substance abuse).  Sending children off reserve to attend school is residential schooling.  We can certainly talk about better and worse ways to do these things.  Now there is major funding so that child welfare (such as Child and Family Services) are provided within Indigenous communities.  We no longer have religious or public non-Indigenous-led "residential schools", yet for all intents and purposes, Indigenous children often still have to live off reserve in residential schools to attend school because it's economically impossible to build both elementary and high schools in every tiny remote community.  Obviously.  Who pays for any or all of this?  Also guess what, even in Indigenous-led education centres such as the high school in Thunder Bay, children sometimes commit suicide or die of substance abuse and/or drowning in the river.  At least Indigenous education is incorporated within education, including cultural practices, and languages are also protected.

Does racism exist against Indigenous peoples in some of these communities?  Yes.  Are non-Indigenous people in these communities more to blame than Indigenous people for the challenges Indigenous people face?  I'm not sure that's the case.  My point is that these are complex, challenging issues to solve that will take time and concerted effort, and not just from non-Indigenous people.  We are trying to solve them, but don't make it sound like Canadian government policy today is oppressing the Indigenous.  We're all trying to find real solutions.  If you want to talk "cultural genocide" for Indigenous peoples, I can assure you that it was achieved to at least the same extent or greater in the U.S.  I won't even get into China's cultural revolution and its various treatments of minorities.  Your friend JT made it clear that Canada has clouds over its history like China.  Nevertheless, we're not trumping up undocumented reports on agriculture to ban crop imports for political reasons (canola), nor are we detaining people for unsubstantiated claims of espionage, again for political retaliation (two Canadians detained as a response to the Huawei Meng extradition, which is taking place because Canada is respecting a treaty with the US).

Edited April 3, 2019 by Zeitgeist

[Argus]

14 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Don't fool yourself....the United States (government) spies on every nation, allied or not, and has been doing so far longer than China.

We have no secrets we care to hide from the US. And as far as I'm aware it does not engage in industrial espionage in the same way the Chinese do.

14 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

If challenging your anti-China (and anti-American) biases doesn't meet your approval, then go back to hiding in the sand (ignore).

What is bias? What does that word even mean with regard to China? Is anyone with moral judgement biased? Because anyone with an ounce of morality is 'biased' against China.

Apparently you are not among that group.

[Argus]

14 hours ago, Owly said:

Ah for your edification, the US locks people up at a higher rate than any other country on the planet earth.

The U.S. has a problem with minority crime which is sparked by various social problems. And again, your attempt to excuse China for its barbarism, brutality and torture by spuriously claiming the US is as bad is only making you look ridiculous.

[Argus]

12 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Good for you....but do you really expect China to ignore the history and continuation of Canada's policies for "aboriginals" and others when confronted on such issues ?

Yes, we're so cruel to the natives, not like China at all. Tell me, BC, what is your buddy in the picture up to here?

Edited April 3, 2019 by Argus

[Argus]

5 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

A lot of people don't realize that China also has a "Never Again" attitude about loss of sovereignty, invasion, and occupation

It, however, doesn't have any problem with taking other people's sovereignty away from them, and invading and occupying other countries.