The Land Is Strong

[jacee]

7 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Constitutionally protected Catholic and Protestant. 

All religions are Constitutionally protected. 

Catholic schools and Francophone schools also.

Edited March 5, 2019 by jacee

[Zeitgeist]

7 minutes ago, jacee said:

All religions are Constitutionally protected. 

Catholic schools and Francophone schools also.

Yes. 

[jacee]

On 3/3/2019 at 9:43 AM, Zeitgeist said:

See you’re exemplifying the problem that is holding back a good percentage of Canada’s Indigenous peoples.  Who thinks in terms of being supported in place?  

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Are you saying that if such communities can’t afford to bear the costs of elevating their situation with their “trust fund” that taxpayers should pay the high cost of sustaining such an unsustainable place?

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 In that case it’s basically a public housing project ...

New legislation will ensure that issues with child welfare and neglect will be solved within Indigenous communities rather than through removal from the reserve.

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Self-sustainability is what it means to live your culture independently.  Is a public housing project really what it means to live according to the traditional way of life?  

You make lengthy arguments of why Indigenous people 'should' want to leave their communities ... but they won't leave their territory. Not going to happen. End of story.

Their Trust Funds are plenty big enough, if the government would release sufficient funds.

Yes, many people on reserves do live in low income (substandard) public housing. Many don't too. And many low income non-Indigenous people live in public housing in cities, etc. too. What's your point?

Yes, child welfare supports within Indigenous communities will be helpful. 

It's not your business to tell anyone how they 'should' live their culture or traditional way of life.

Sheesh!! 

Edited March 5, 2019 by jacee

[Zeitgeist]

5 minutes ago, jacee said:

You make lengthy arguments of why Indigenous people 'should' want to leave their communities ... but they won't leave their territory. Not going to happen. End of story.

Their Trust Funds are plenty big enough, if the government would release sufficient funds.

Yes, many people on reserves do live in low income (substandard) public housing. Many don't too. And many low income non-Indigenous people live in public housing in cities, etc. too. What's your point?

Yes, child welfare supports within Indigenous communities will be helpful. 

It's not your business to tell anyone how they 'should' live their culture or traditional way of life.

Sheesh!! 

I’m not telling anyone how to live, but it’s not a life of self-determination if other people have to pay for it.  Government should “release sufficient funds”?  Most government money comes from the taxes of working people.  If money is coming into a community from the outside that did not originate in taxation from working people in the community, it’s not your money. We all accept a certain amount of this because most of us are civilized and generous, but we also know that depending on such support on a permanent basis is unsustainable and unhealthy. It will not bring out the best in people as a permanent fix. It breeds resentment.  Why work?  Let other people do it and pay your freight.  Not good. 

[jacee]

33 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I’m not telling anyone how to live, but it’s not a life of self-determination if other people have to pay for it.  Government should “release sufficient funds”?  

What do you not understand about "Trust Funds"? IT'S THEIR MONEY! From whatever sources - land leases and other revenues, treaty rights to services, etc. 

The government administers funds from Indigenous Trust Funds, allocates funds for housing, governance, health care, education, social services, water etc. etc. ... insufficiently.

Edited March 5, 2019 by jacee

[Zeitgeist]

27 minutes ago, jacee said:

What do you not understand about "Trust Funds"? IT'S THEIR MONEY! From whatever sources - land leases and other revenues, treaty rights to services, etc. 

The government administers funds from Indigenous Trust Funds, allocates funds for housing, governance, health care, education, social services, water etc. etc. ... insufficiently.

There isn’t enough money in that kitty to fix all of the problems on all of the Indigenous territories/reserves.  It’s a self-governance model that isn’t fully self-funded.  So the options are either to develop the resources further where possible, add more employment for residents of those lands and collect taxes to supplement funding, leave the reserve/territory, or ask for a greater proportion of tax revenue from the government of Canada.  I’m simply stating that the final option puts Indigenous people at the mercy of what non-Indigenous taxpayers are willing to contribute, hardly self-determination.  I can see that in some cases increased funding may be a short-term solution.  It’s certainly not worth banking on.  Trudeau’s fortunes have sunk and a Conservative government looks more likely.  

Some reserves are quite wealthy, sometimes because they were lucky to have resources and wise to develop them. The conditions in some small remote communities in Northern Ontario or Quebec are very bad and the costs of remediation too high for the community to bear or the trust fund to pay.  Should taxpayers prop them up?  Is that throwing good money after bad?  Can a one time payment fix it for good?  I’m not deciding the answers, but when communities depend on taxpayers, then taxpayers decide through their votes and public policy the fate of such places. 

Edited March 5, 2019 by Zeitgeist

[jacee]

32 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

There isn’t enough money in that kitty to fix all of the problems on all of the Indigenous territories/reserves.

There's no shortage of Trust Funds.

Ask the government why hundreds of Land Claims are not being settled.

Talk to the government about why they are so stingy with releasing funds. I don't know. Cos governments are nasty idiots, I assume. 

It's disgusting.

 

Edited March 5, 2019 by jacee

[taxme]

18 hours ago, Rue said:

To start with no comparing their freedom of speech to what you have in Canada its not the same. No they can not speak out openly against the government in a certain way. Can you?

Seriously. You think your media is not controlled by the government of the day or special interest groups that prevent free discussion? Really? You so sure?

Billionaire communists? Really? Name them. The privileges exist such as access to medicine, alcohol, sex not money. You really need to look at what constitutes privilege in Cuba. Billionaires? Yah right. Where does the money come from? Get real. You have any idea what kind of clamp down is on the Cuba economy? Clearly not.

You claim poverty in Cuba. Compared to who? Canada? Do you have any idea that the poorest of people in Cuba still eat better than the poorest of Canadians?  Go find out. Yah they have a shortage of aspirin, shampoo, soap, sanitary napkins, fresh beef or pork, but they have fruit and certain vegetables and they manage to feed everyone and treat them.

Their poor have better education than the poor in Canada.

It is absurd to compare the poverty level in Cuba and Canada. You are trying to measure them by material values, values such as t.v.'s, cars, house size, furniture, things Cubans don't place the same values on. Tell me who has more musicians? Who has more artists, scientists per population? Go find out.

Cuba is by far perfect. Their is corruption. There is prostitution. There are problems yes. But its not the nightmare bullshit state you define it as.

Cubans don't need your analysis. They can live without your flat screened TV's and suv's. Their athletes, the vast  majority of them stay home, they don't leave when they can, likewise their doctors and intelligentsia.

Freedom of speech denied? Get back to me and ask me what happens in our political parties when you disagree with your leader..

For now I can at least criticize and question the government here in Canada where in Cuba the people there cannot. And we all know what happens when they do. And you think that the Cuban people are happy about that? No way can they be unless they are totally brain dead stupid. All people desire the material things you mentioned above. Even Cubans in most cases cannot afford most of those items mentioned. Everything belongs to the state.  

Cubans need our help to free them from their communist shackles. Are you trying to tell me that Cubans would rather live under communism rather than capitalism? Let's find out? Let's see the commies of Cuba have free elections for a change and let the people decide as to whether they want to live under communism or capitalism? 

I know that we have politicians in Canada who appear to believe in communism in this country and they hate people like me who will not bow down to their bull shit that I must be and speak political correctness. They are the traitors to freedom and Canada, not me. I fight for freedom and Canada. I do not want to ever see Canada become another Cuba and I will never stop criticizing socialism or communism. Both ism's are the enemy of we the people. Liberalism has shown us all that it is the enemy of we the people. 

Where would you prefer to live? In Canada or Cuba? Get back to me on that asap. 

[taxme]

18 hours ago, Rue said:

The Crown refers to what exactly? Do you mean Canadian government because that is not the Crown. The Crown is used to describe the head of state. The head of state is figurative. Tell me what Canadian tax money goes to Queen Liz. That would be news to me.

If you are questioning whether the federal government wastes money of course it does. So do you. Its a problem of course. Don't act like its stolen from you. I am sure you steal as much as is stolen from you. Your playing victim of the state is something everyone does and feels.

However when you do need medical care, an ambulance, the fire department, they will be there.

Don't tell me you didn't go to school, use any roads, flush your toilet ever. Your country that you piss on is not perfect but compared to other countries and their degrees of corruption and inefficiency you have no clue how good you have it.

You need to travel and go work for a relief organization. You smell of privilege in your comments. Its easy to piss on a country whose services you take for granted as a given.

 

Indeed, I do question our federal government and what they do with my tax dollars. And why not? It's my dam money too. Yes, I do waste my dollars from time to time but not like our federal government does. They waste our tax dollars on so many useless leftist liberal socialist programs and agendas that do nothing for Canada or Canadians except to keep putting Canada and Canadians deeper in debt. That is what I attack and try to expose. For instance, approx. 5 billion of out tax dollars tax dollars every year are given away to third world countries in the from of foreign aid, and approx. 20 billion of our tax dollars are given away on immigration and refugee programs. That is waste and actually can be considered as theft of taxpayer's tax dollars. I will piss on this country every day when I see how our elected officials treat our tax dollars. I give a shit. Do you? Obviously not. 

I am a victim of the state in many ways. I am being robbed of my money by all levels of government every day. I pay taxes for things like medical care, ambulance, fire, and police and I have no problem with that and I am paying for those roads and toilet flushes. Money well spent. Throwing it away on foreign aid and refugees is theft. 

I have done plenty of travelling around the world and have seen plenty and I am quite happy to be living in Canada. Canada can be the greatest place on earth if it were not for our wasteful and corrupt politicians who appear to be totally clueless to what they are doing every day to Canada and Canadians. If you are referring to "white privilege"  all I can say here is that I am quite happy and proud with my "white privilege" and why not. I worked for it. There comes a time when one has to say enough already. It is time to say something. Works for me. 

[taxme]

18 hours ago, jacee said:

Unhhhhh ... Canada was first all Indigenous Peoples, then a French Catholic colony, Metis out west, then English/Irish/Scottish.

Southern Ontario became largely Orange-run. 

Canada was never all WASP.

Where the hell are you from?

Not here! 

Well then, why was Canada so British, white and christian in those early days of Canada and later the rest of Canada pretty much ended up becoming and belonging to the British empire where it was pretty much all WASP? It must be because they had a hand in colonizing Canada first way back when and took over this country called Canada? Even Quebec became part of the British empire back then. Catholicism was pretty much a Quebec and Maritimes thing. This was and became a WASP country in the beginning. Today, this once great WASP nation has been taken over by traitors to WASP Canada. We see today that Canada is pretty much being run by Quebec liberal/socialists and a minority of third world immigrants. 

Where the hell are you from? I don't know as to where you are getting your Canadian history from but it sure as hell is not where I am getting my Canadian history from. I guess that you have been reading and listening to too much french liberalism these days. We are told today by the french liberal bafflers that the Battle on the Plains of Abraham was a draw when in fact the British beat the french big time. FYI. 

[taxme]

18 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

 

In 1876, the year Canada became a country, there were about as many or more francophones in Canada as anglophones.  Quebec had more people in it than Ontario. 

Well then, how come the rest of Canada is more Anglophone and not much french then? If the french were in the majority in Canada back then Canada should now be a french speaking nation. It would appear obvious to me that the British were in the majority here at that time. But you just keep on listening to that french liberal propaganda machine. Next they will have you believe that the Anglophones in the rest of Canada are really of french origin and ancestry. Lol. 

[Dougie93]

Nouvelle France is a war prize surrendered to the House of Hanover in 1763,  the British didn't actually want it, so they just let the Roman Catholic church run it.

The British interest is a fortress in Quebec, and a port in Montreal, the only other thing of value, is hydro electricity, but Quebec wants to sell it, has to sell it, Ontario should buy from them rather than the Green Energy disaster that has been wrought on Ontario.

But we don't need Confederation anymore to do that, two sovereign independent jurisdictions can still do business, and would do much more, if not for the failed state of Confederation.

Edited March 5, 2019 by Dougie93