Yzermandius19 Posted July 3, 2019 Report Posted July 3, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: In terms of TB4, I'm aware of what his strengths and weaknesses are, but I think he's a perfect fit for the style the Leafs want to play, and he's a perfect fit with Jake Muzzin, in fact they already played as a pairing on Team Canada and won Gold at the World's in 2015. Spezza was also on that team IIRC. As long as you have a steady eddie LHD to pair with TB4 to mask some his deficiencies, and Muzzin fits that bill rather well, the strengths of TB4 vastly outweight the weakness. Especially at $2.75 million cap hit, which is just insane value for Barrie. Edited July 3, 2019 by Yzermandius19
Dougie93 Posted July 3, 2019 Report Posted July 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: As long as you have a steady eddie LHD to pair with TB4 to mask some his deficiencies, and Muzzin fits that bill rather well, the strengths of TB4 vastly outweight the weakness. Especially at $2.75 million cap hit, which is just insane value for Barrie. Yeah, the Toronto media keep yapping about Barrie playing with Rielly, but that's only going to be power play maybe, Cody Ceci will start with Reilly, Dubas rightly says that Ceci was getting caved in with the Sens because they were overplaying him without any support, so they want to work on his game and give him a shot to bounce back. They may go out and get another defensemen if they can to play with Reilly, but I still think Ceci can be better than Zaitsev and the wheels are falling off Hainsey, so I'll go with the 24 year old and see if the Leafs can get his game back on track.
Yzermandius19 Posted July 3, 2019 Report Posted July 3, 2019 Will be interesting to see if the Leafs put Barrie on PP1 with Reilly, or have him QB the PP2. As much as I prefer the four forward-one defense PP to the three forward-two defense PP in general, with defensemen like Reilly and Barrie, I think that could easily be worthy of making an exception in this instance.
Dougie93 Posted July 3, 2019 Report Posted July 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Will be interesting to see if the Leafs put Barrie on PP1 with Reilly, or have him QB the PP2. As much as I prefer the four forward-one defense PP to the three forward-two defense PP in general, with defensemen like Reilly and Barrie, I think that could easily be worthy of making an exception in this instance. If Paul McFarlane is still going to use the downhill style for PP1, then I think Andreas Johnsson will replace Kadri in the high slot. That would mean PP2 is probably something like; Spezza - Nylander- Moore Muzzin - Barrie They do need to get the second powerplay to start producing, so they may want Barrie to QB PP2
Yzermandius19 Posted July 3, 2019 Report Posted July 3, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: If Paul McFarlane is still going to use the downhill style for PP1, then I think Andreas Johnsson will replace Kadri in the high slot. That would mean PP2 is probably something like; Spezza - Nylander- Moore Muzzin - Barrie They do need to get the second powerplay to start producing, so they may want Barrie to QB PP2 Kerfoot will get some PP2 time, if they keep him. Probably Kapanen too if Johnsson is on PP1 and Barrie is QBing PP2. Edited July 3, 2019 by Yzermandius19
Dougie93 Posted July 3, 2019 Report Posted July 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Kerfoot will get some PP2 time, if they keep him. Yeah, I forgot Kerfoot already. Dubas says they have plans for him, but that could change if another RHD comes available. This year may be a year where they are more aggressive at the deadline and/or approach to.
Dougie93 Posted July 3, 2019 Report Posted July 3, 2019 To me, this trade was Kadri for Barrie, three years of Kadri for salary retained on a Barrie rental. Kerfoot for Rosen is kind of a side deal, but like I say, I don't think Rosen is an NHL top four, so Kerfoot is just gravy.
Dougie93 Posted July 3, 2019 Report Posted July 3, 2019 At the very least Kerfoot is an upgrade on Connor Brown, all due respect to Brownie, he never really did much when not playing with Matthews.
Dougie93 Posted July 3, 2019 Report Posted July 3, 2019 In terms of Kerfoot getting traded, I think it comes down to two things, cap hit, and can he play 3C If he asks for too much money and he's just another winger, then I think he goes back on the trade block.
Yzermandius19 Posted July 3, 2019 Report Posted July 3, 2019 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: In terms of Kerfoot getting traded, I think it comes down to two things, cap hit, and can he play 3C If he asks for too much money and he's just another winger, then I think he goes back on the trade block. He played mostly on the wing in Colorado, but he's way better than most wingers at taking faceoffs. He's not afraid to go into the dirty areas to get the puck, but he takes a lot of punishment for it, and he tends to play through it, even with bigger beating he takes due to his size. He's got mad heart, but even so, his size forces him to the periphery a little too often, but he's got versatility, can play center in pinch, a long term 3C solution though, not so sure about that. He's not the most consistent guy, he tends to light it up when playing well and goes ghost when he isn't. Edited July 3, 2019 by Yzermandius19
Dougie93 Posted July 3, 2019 Report Posted July 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Yzermandius19 said: He played mostly on the wing in Colorado, but he's way better than most wingers at taking faceoffs. He's not afraid to go into the dirty areas to get the puck, but he takes a lot of punishment for it, and he tends to play through it, even with bigger beating he takes due to his size. He's got mad heart, but even so, his size forces him to the periphery a little too often, but he's got versatility, can play center in pinch, a long term 3C solution though, not so sure about that. He's not the most consistent guy, he tends to light it up when playing well and goes ghost when he isn't. I think he's a stop gap for now, if they have to go into the season with him as 3C they will, but he may not finish the season there. I think they're ultimately looking for a Charlie Coyle type, but the fact that he's a faceoff specialist makes me think Babcock will use him, even just to take situational draws.
Dougie93 Posted July 3, 2019 Report Posted July 3, 2019 I am quite bullish on Kerfoot as a bottom six role player, I think he's slotted too high if you put him in the top six, better to use him as a high end bottom six role player than as an over matched second liner. It's all a question of cap hit, for example if he's willing to take Zach Hyman money, then Kerfoot is an asset, but if he wants Andreas Johnsson money, then he's very trade-able,
Dougie93 Posted July 3, 2019 Report Posted July 3, 2019 Big upgrade on Jake Gardiner though, no worse than J-Gards in terms of defensive zone play, whole nother level above Gardiner offensively. TB4 is gonna fit in with the Nanny State Warriors, I'm quite sure, although he'll have to change his number.
Yzermandius19 Posted July 3, 2019 Report Posted July 3, 2019 (edited) He's excellent and jumping into the play and he scores clutch goals too, both really stand out in that highlight package. When Lansdeskog and Rantanen were hurt and the Avs were fighting tooth and nail for that final wild card spot, Barrie stepped up huge for the Avs. The more I think about the trade, the more I like it, for both sides. Edited July 3, 2019 by Yzermandius19
Jarmo Posted July 3, 2019 Report Posted July 3, 2019 (edited) Shärks player Timo Meier signed new contract until summer of 2023. Edited July 3, 2019 by Jarmo
Yzermandius19 Posted July 3, 2019 Report Posted July 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Jarmo said: Shärks player Timo Meier signed new contract until summer of 2023. Would have been nice to get him on a longer term, but that $6 million cap hit is pretty sweet. Should have drafted Rantanen though.
Dougie93 Posted July 3, 2019 Report Posted July 3, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: He's excellent and jumping into the play and he scores clutch goals too, both really stand out in that highlight package. When Lansdeskog and Rantanen were hurt and the Avs were fighting tooth and nail for that final wild card spot, Barrie stepped up huge for the Avs. The more I think about the trade, the more I like it, for both sides. Oh I love the trade, first of all, Dubas is having to make these trades while clearing cap room for entitled prima donnas at the same time, so it's high grade General Managing when you're getting things done in that context. Second, I wanted rid of Kadri, nothing personal, just business, can't afford $4.5 million contracts in the bottom six anymore, like you always say, play the shit out of Matthews and Tavares. Third, for all his flaws, Barrie is a legit top four RHD who fits the Leafs style who is an upgrade on Gardiner. In terms of it being a rental, I like the aggression, the window is open, you gotta go for it now, the rebuild is over. I don't even want to be locked in, because we're gonna have to sign Andersen, so I want flexibility next summer anyways. If they want to keep Barrie, they can pay him the 8 x 7 or whatever, but I think Dubas will either play Liljegren or if Liljegren just ain't ready, trade Liljegren to get another RHD who is more ready now. Again, the rebuild is over, they can't wait years for Liljegren to pan out, he's gonna be RFA and wanting money as well, so if he isn't ready next year, you gotta cut bait and move on. Sandin is the new news, Liljegren is becoming more trade-able by the second, I'm ready to ship him to Carolina right now for Brett Pesce, particularly as Pesce is signed for five more years at a reasonable $4 million cap hit. The priority is finding an RHD who is complementary to Rielly in the Core 7, and since Rielly is going to be getting $9 million or so, that RHD has to be predictably cost controlled, and since he's complimentary to Rielly, he doesn't need to be an OFD. Even if Liljegren pans out, he's never gonna be complimentary to Reilly, he's never gonna be top pairing on this Core 7, so he's expendable. Dubas is committed now, the Core 6 is already set; Tavares - Marner Matthews - Nylander Rielly - RHD-X Andersen With the money we are going to be paying Rielly to put up points, RHD-X needs to be a steady eddie to compliment, not another OFD. They have a one year window where they have two Reilly's, but they only have one steady eddie between them, so I say be aggressive, get Pesce now, anybody not in the Core 6 not named Sandin should be put on the block. Like I say, I think Ceci has more upside than people are expecting, better team, better coach, better support system, but he's just a stop gap in the top four for now, I'd prefer to push him down to the bottom pair before the playoffs, Ceci can be effective, but Ottawa was overplaying him, he's not a 25 minute a night top pairing guy, and that's why he was floundering with the Sens, so he needs less minutes to be more effective against lesser competition. Rielly can carry him just like Rielly carried Zaitsev and then Hainsey, but we want to get out of that trap and find someone Reilly doesn't have to carry, steady eddie at a reasonable cap hit, so again; enter Brett Pesce. Pesce is a younger better version of Chris Tanev, except Pesce doesn't have Joffrey Lupul-itis I'd still be willing to rent Chris Tanev too, but Vancouver is only gonna get a bucket o' pucks for him now, they're asking price is still too high, they still have delusions that he's trade bait when everybody knows he's damaged goods, basically a depth option at the deadline. I like the Ottawa trade too, not just swapping five years of Zaitsev for one year of Ceci, but I think a third round pick for Brown is fair value, I didn't see teams coughing up a second rounder for a guy who scored 8 goals last year, and I also think Ben Harpur is useful as a bottom pairing goon. You need one goon, but he needs to be cheap, $700K minimum is about right, 6'6" 225lbs, has playoff experience with the Sens, same as Ceci, he was able to play real minutes for them all the way to the Conference final, he's big, he's mean, and he can fight, but he's not a total pylon. The Sens are eager to run Ceci and Harpur out of town, but just two years ago they were playing big time minutes in a deep playoff run, their play collapsed as the Sens collapsed, it's demoralizing getting kicked in the teeth every night, give them a better team with a role they can slot into, and they can be serviceable guys. I think Harpur will make the team, not just because Dermott is going to be out until November, but I think Babcock wants at least one guy in the depth chart who is big mean and can fight if necessary, he's better than Justin Holl, he's better than Borgman, he's not better than Marincin, Marincin is actually much improved by his time on the Marlies, but he does what Marincin can't do, which is crush people. If you're going up against another soft team, you put Marincin in for stick checking, if you're going against a team with goons who take liberties, it's good to have Harpur in your back pocket to cross check people upside the head instead of Kadri, because if Harpur gets suspended, no biggie, and again, he has shown that he can handle minutes deep into the playoffs in a bottom pairing role, which neither of Holl nor Borgman has shown. In terms of what the Av's got from Dubas, you know what you got in Naz, with Calle Rosen, the skill is elite, he's an elite skater, he's an elite puck mover, and he's not a defensive liability, he does play defense, there is potential there, I just think he's gonna get hurt all the time, he's built like a bird, so he gets crushed into the boards and doesn't get back up. I think he's an upgrade on Nemeth tho, like if one of your puck moving top four gets hurt, you could plug Rosen in as a temporary replacement, he can fly, he can play with elite players, I just don't think he's going to be able to stay healthy in an NHL grind. He definitely has the skill to be a top four, he's just butter soft, but as a depth guy he can do way more than a bottom pairing role, you just can't pencil him in as a long term solution, but short term he can be useful, just on his skating alone, he skates like a superstar, but he doesn't play heavy. Babs was never going to play him anyways, Babs would play Marincin over Rosen, but Bednar might be more inclined to use him in a pinch. Rosen is like a poor man's Gardiner, he's just so soft he makes Gardiner look hard in comparison, I mean, Jake actually soaks up a pounding from forecheckers, although that's coming back to haunt him now with this back problem, and this is what I think will happen to Rosen, just way more often. 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Yzermandius19 Posted July 3, 2019 Report Posted July 3, 2019 Panarin turned down McDavid money from the Avs. He must really love Manhattan.
Dougie93 Posted July 3, 2019 Report Posted July 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Yzermandius19 said: Panarin turned down McDavid money from the Avs. He must really love Manhattan. Waste of time by the Avs, it was known that he only wanted to go to NYC or Miami, the only contenders were the Rangers, Islanders and Panthers.
Yzermandius19 Posted July 3, 2019 Report Posted July 3, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: Waste of time by the Avs, it was known that he only wanted to go to NYC or Miami, the only contenders were the Rangers, Islanders and Panthers. PR for the fans I suppose, can't say they didn't try. Money obviously wasn't the issue, clearly lifestyle was by far the biggest factor, especially when he turned down the Islanders offer which was bigger than the Rangers as well. Apparently it was Manhattan or bust. Edited July 3, 2019 by Yzermandius19
Dougie93 Posted July 3, 2019 Report Posted July 3, 2019 8 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: PR for the fans I suppose, can't say they didn't try. Money obviously wasn't the issue, clearly lifestyle was by far the biggest factor, especially when he turned down the Islanders offer which was bigger than the Rangers as well. Apparently it was Manhattan or bust. He doesn't want to live in the American hinterland, Denver is not different from Columbus to the Bread Man.
Yzermandius19 Posted July 3, 2019 Report Posted July 3, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: He doesn't want to live in the American hinterland, Denver is not different from Columbus to the Bread Man. Apparently even Brooklyn/Uniondale are little different from Columbus or Denver to the Bread Man, so the Avs had no hope in hell. #ManhattanOrBust Edited July 3, 2019 by Yzermandius19
Dougie93 Posted July 4, 2019 Report Posted July 4, 2019 21 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Apparently even Brooklyn/Uniondale are little different from Columbus or Denver to the Bread Man, so the Avs had no hope in hell. #ManhattanOrBust If the Av's want to pay that much, I would go for the real deal and see if Chicago was willing to move Patty Kane.
Yzermandius19 Posted July 4, 2019 Report Posted July 4, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: If the Av's want to pay that much, I would go for the real deal and see if Chicago was willing to move Patty Kane. Depends how much the Avs would have to give up. The upside with Panarin is that he's younger and if they signed him to the big deal, we wouldn't have to trade any assets to do so. $2 million extra in cap space consumed to not have to give up any assets, that made Panarin more appealing than Kane temporarily, now that he's signed to another team though, that's not an option obviously. Edited July 4, 2019 by Yzermandius19
Dougie93 Posted July 4, 2019 Report Posted July 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Depends how much the Avs would have to give up. The upside with Panarin is that he's younger and if they signed him to the big deal, we wouldn't have to trade any assets to do so. $2 million extra in cap space consumed to not have to give up any assets, that made Panarin more appealing, now that he's signed though, that's not an option obviously. Jost, Timmins, couple of draft picks and a bucket of pucks. Patty Kane has got lots left in the tank, still skates like the wind, doesn't matter how young the Bread Man is, he's never gonna be Patty Kane.
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