DogOnPorch Posted January 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 2 hours ago, GostHacked said: They were used in Afghanistan and Iraq. No... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted January 21, 2019 Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 6 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: No... Which part is incorrect? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted January 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 Just now, GostHacked said: Which part is incorrect? Your claim that nukes were used...anywhere outside Japan. List them for us, will you? No doubt there is also video of such a spectacular event. As well, the satellites would have spotted it...Russian ones as well as American...so provide a link to those reports. Do that, I might believe your insane claim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted January 21, 2019 Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 1 hour ago, DogOnPorch said: Your claim that nukes were used...anywhere outside Japan. List them for us, will you? No doubt there is also video of such a spectacular event. As well, the satellites would have spotted it...Russian ones as well as American...so provide a link to those reports. Do that, I might believe your insane claim. That was not the claim, because we know that many countries used nukes after Japan, for testing. Also these tactical nukes don't behave like your city leveling nuke. But at least you are not telling me DU was never used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted January 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 20 minutes ago, GostHacked said: That was not the claim, because we know that many countries used nukes after Japan, for testing. Also these tactical nukes don't behave like your city leveling nuke. But at least you are not telling me DU was never used. Your claim is 100% bullsh!t and you haven't a clue how nuclear weapons work. Either provide proof of the use of nuclear weapons outside Japan (not tests) or own your silly lie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted January 21, 2019 Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) Depleted uranium is an Radiological Weapon, nuclear weapons begin at the point of critical mass, single stage plutonium implosion, and/or two stage plutonium implosion to incite lithium deuteride fusion. Single stage; nuclear (Fat Man at Nagasaki) Two stage; thermonuclear. (Castle Bravo at Eniwetok) There is a third option, single stage uranium "shotgun" critical mass (Little Boy at Hiroshima), but it's so inefficient, it is likely only non state actors would employ that method now. Basically, the Manhattan Project went on two parallel tracks, Little Boy was one, Fat Man was the other, through trial and error they found out that uranium was expensive and difficult and inefficient, while plutonium was cheap and easy, so they ditched the Little Boy model and simply expended the prototype down range into Aioi Bridge hypercenter Hiroshima. Edited January 21, 2019 by Dougie93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted January 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 28 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: Depleted uranium is an Radiological Weapon, nuclear weapons begin at the point of critical mass, single stage plutonium implosion, and/or two stage plutonium implosion to incite lithium deuteride fusion. Single stage; nuclear (Fat Man at Nagasaki) Two stage; thermonuclear. (Castle Bravo at Eniwetok) There is a third option, single stage uranium "shotgun" critical mass (Little Boy at Hiroshima), but it's so inefficient, it is likely only non state actors would employ that method now. Basically, the Manhattan Project went on two parallel tracks, Little Boy was one, Fat Man was the other, through trial and error they found out that uranium was expensive and difficult and inefficient, while plutonium was cheap and easy, so they ditched the Little Boy model and simply expended the prototype down range into Aioi Bridge hypercenter Hiroshima. You get more radiation from your fillings than from U-238. There's a reason it's called depleted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted January 21, 2019 Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: You get more radiation from your fillings than from U-238. There's a reason it's called depleted. The radiological effect is upon impact, as tungsten is not incendiary while uranium is, the radiologic is heat, not neutrons, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted January 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 Just now, Dougie93 said: The radiological effect is upon impact, as tungsten is not incendiary while uranium is, the radiologic is heat, not neutrons, Wiggle all you like: the claim is that 'tactical nukes' have been used since 1945. If you also believe this, you can go sit with GH in the kookoo box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted January 21, 2019 Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 To wit, if you take a hit from a German DM63 APFSDS-T, that hits hard, but not that hot. If you get hit by an M829, that hits hard, and hot, nuclear hot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted January 21, 2019 Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Wiggle all you like: the claim is that 'tactical nukes' have been used since 1945. If you also believe this, you can go sit with GH in the kookoo box. Tactical nukes have been used as what is called an "enabler", the presence of the weapons effecting the battle space nary a shot fired. Example, the Russians have just used tactical nukes in Crimea, as per the aforementioned Deescalation method, as a shield rather than a sword. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted January 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Dougie93 said: To wit, if you take a hit from a German DM63 APFSDS-T, that hits hard, but not that hot. If you get hit by an M829, that hits hard, and hot, nuclear hot. Nuke: Not a nuke: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted January 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: Tactical nukes have been used as what is called an "enabler", the presence of the weapons effecting the battle space nary a shot fired. Example, the Russians have just used tactical nukes in Crimea, as per the aforementioned Deescalation method, as a shield rather than a sword. No they didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted January 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) Atom Bomb 101 for those in need. For BC-2004...a good shot of the USS Mindoro CVE-120 at the 2:40 mark. Edited January 21, 2019 by DogOnPorch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted January 21, 2019 Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 The Russians also employ tactical nuclear weapons at Kaliningrad, again, as a shield. Basically, anything of strategic interest, which you would none the less not wish to defend with your strategic deterrent, can be defended by tactical nuclear weapons in situ. Defensive is employment, employment is usage, ergo, tac nukes are used all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted January 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Dougie93 said: The Russians also employ tactical nuclear weapons at Kaliningrad, again, as a shield. Basically, anything of strategic interest, which you would none the less not wish to defend with your strategic deterrent, can be defended by tactical nuclear weapons in situ. Defensive is employment, employment is usage, ergo, tac nukes are used all the time. No worries. GH was pretty lonely in that box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted January 21, 2019 Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) The Americans also employ tactical nuclear weapons, along with opacity, so for example when a US Navy Carrier Strike Group passes through the China Seas freedom of navigation, it is not at that distance under the strategic deterrent of the CONUS, the PLA however must assume tactical nuclear weapons to be in situ, and so the CSG is hauling its own tactical deterrent around with it as it goes. Edited January 21, 2019 by Dougie93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted January 21, 2019 Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) 48 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: No they didn't. You just seem to have a very limited view of usage. Weapons are employed exponentially beyond mere expenditure downrange. For example, a cavalry screen is weapons employment, but not simply limited to joint fires expended, the usage is to screen to allow maneuver, even if that is nary a shot fired, which is actually optimal, that is still employment and therefore usage of a cavalry weapon system. Edited January 21, 2019 by Dougie93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted January 21, 2019 Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, DogOnPorch said: No worries. GH was pretty lonely in that box. There is only one box, and that is the Permanent War which the Americans articulate in light of government by war measure, Article II Executive Order. Said thermonuclear war is always in progress, it is simply what is called a Frozen Conflict, while it currently remains at 15 minutes notice to launch on warning. By any military measure, 15 minutes notice to move is not peacetime. Edited January 21, 2019 by Dougie93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted January 23, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 Test Shot Redwing Navajo (Bikini Atoll, June 1956: 4.5 megatons or 300 Hiroshimas) One of the 'cleanest' detonations at 95% fusion...but also a good example of what was known as a 'dead-end design' in the H-Bomb building business. It couldn't be made smaller...and smaller was the objective. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W21 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Redwing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iznogoud Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 1 hour ago, DogOnPorch said: Test Shot Redwing Navajo (Bikini Atoll, June 1956: 4.5 megatons or 300 Hiroshimas) One of the 'cleanest' detonations at 95% fusion...but also a good example of what was known as a 'dead-end design' in the H-Bomb building business. It couldn't be made smaller...and smaller was the objective. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W21 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Redwing Ever Watch "Trinity and Beyond?" It is an illuminating documentary on the nuclear arms race up to the 1960s. It is available on Youtube. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 (edited) The pink healthy glow of Redwing Navajo Then ten days later, the prince of darkness, Redwing Tewa, 87% fission. The doomsday physics package, three stage boosted, fission-fusion-fusion-fission, mein Fuhrer. Edited January 23, 2019 by Dougie93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted January 23, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 Actually, Tewa led to another dead end design called the B41...the only three stage weapon deployed by the USA. The success story of Redwing was the development of the B28 which was a multi-yield device...used by Canada even. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B41_nuclear_bomb https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B28_nuclear_bomb 7 hours ago, Iznogoud said: Ever Watch "Trinity and Beyond?" It is an illuminating documentary on the nuclear arms race up to the 1960s. It is available on Youtube. Yes, indeed. Trinity is a good introduction for anybody interested in nuclear weapons. But it doesn't cover a lot of details, unfortunately. Nor does it cover non-American designs. Joe 4, for example...the Soviet's first boosted weapon...not quite an H-Bomb. Test 6 was Red China's... Grapple Y was Great Britain's...etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted January 23, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 Of course, though, Redwing Tewa was one Hell of an explosion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 I don't find the Tewa physics package to be a dead end per se, it was simply too horrific a weapon for the Americans to use. I could see other nuclear powers aspiring to fission-fusion-fusion-fission, North Korea comes to mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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