GAI - We have enough to share

[mirror]

Livable Income For Everyone

We have an abundance of all material things in Canada so it is now time for us to share the wealth with all other Canadians and eventually all of those who live on our planet.

Canada needs to once again be the leaders in this revolution. Goodness knows our fragile planet is looking for some new ideas instead of the same old, same old, boring, sterile ideas from the administrations South of the border.

[Argus]

Livable Income For Everyone

We have an abundance of all material things in Canada so it is now time for us to share the wealth with all other Canadians and eventually all of those who live on our planet.

You don't work, do you?

[Shady]

Goodness knows our fragile planet is looking for some new ideas instead of the same old, same old, boring, sterile ideas from the administrations South of the border

Ideas from "south of the border" are usually the only new and innovative ideas that are concieved. Take a proposed flat-tax, personal retirement savings plans, faith-based initiatives etc. The only old, boring, sterile ideas are the usual government run, redistribution of wealth to solve societies ills ideas.

[SirSpanky]

Theres a reason why we have an abundance of all things.....the uber competitive nature of our economy. This proposal is just a mildly modified plan of our current welfare handouts, which is argueably unsustainable, but un-argueably a huge drain on resources that could be put to better uses.

[cybercoma]

Livable Income For Everyone

We have an abundance of all material things in Canada so it is now time for us to share the wealth with all other Canadians and eventually all of those who live on our planet.

You don't work, do you?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Neither do his ideas.

[Black Dog]

Neither do his ideas.

Not to say anything one way or another about mirror's livable income for all, I will say this: while we're talking about ideas that are duds, we'd be remiss in not including:

a proposed flat-tax, personal retirement savings plans, faith-based initiatives etc.

[mirror]

Gotta love these personal insults rather than trying to attack the issue under debate. Your arguments must be so weak that you have to resort to this kind of nonsense.

Canada has so much - timber, minerals, oil & gas, fish, agricultural products. I could go on and on. Let's start to share our resources with everyone else on the planet.

Or do you get your jollies from watching people starve to death?

[Toro]

Why isn't welfare considered a gauranteed annual income? How can you get cut off welfare in Canada?

[Riverwind]

Why isn't welfare considered a gauranteed annual income? How can you get cut off welfare in Canada?

You cannot collect welfare if you have any savings at all. You also are penalized if you work but don't earn enough to replace your welfare.

[Toro]

I have no problem using tax dollars to support those that need it, but a GAI is a bad idea. It further decreases the incentive to work, especially for menial jobs people often take when they enter the workforce. Social benefits are fine, but people must understand they have a cost. The cost to such a program would be higher taxes, higher unemployment and lower growth. The person writing the article about the free market is an economic illiterate BTW.

[shoop]

You don't work, do you?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Hard to work when you are stuck in a 30 year old time warp.

GAI was discredited and abandoned as ridiculous decades ago.

Hey mirror, why not put your powers of political discourse to use fighting for the cause of the Avro Arrow.

How dare the Canadian Government abandon a great Canadian accomplishment in high technology....

[mirror]

Discredited by who - the rich!

You are too full of greed.

That's why we need governments to take some of your money and spread it around to others. We will be having an inheritance tax soon enough. You do your children a disservice by leaving them too much - they will become parasites if they don't learn to value their own abilities to earn a living. And where you are going it would be pointless for you to try and take it with you. It will all burn up.

And that' why Canada's most popular recent prime minister was seriously exploring GAI. It is coming soon enough.

[cybercoma]

Spread your own money around, stay the f*** away from mine. I work hard to earn it.

[blackhand]

If it involves government, it's a bad idea. The only thing that comes from government welfare is slavery to the State. The only way the poor can improve their living is to organize and fight the State's neoliberal economics and statist welfare. They must take the power they have as human beings into THEIR hands and use it.

[mirror]

Spread your own money around, stay the f*** away from mine.  I work hard to earn it.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You act as if you are in some unique situation. Most people work hard for their money so what does that have to do with anything. Grow up. You need to be forced to share it, and that is why we have governments, to take some of what you have and give it to others. and that is the way it is in our social democracy.

Taxes, we all gotta love them . We have a progressive rate of tax so theoritically the more you earn the more you pay. If you earn $200,000 say, you might be left with $100,000 but if you earn earn $25,000. you will need it all and should not be taxed one cent. The rich guy still would have $75,000 more, so where's the prob;lem with that - a rhetorical question as there is no problem. It's called FAIRNESS>

[Guest eureka]

GAI has never been "discredited and abandoned." It has been ridiculed by those "Roght" Wing economists(sic) who have dominated the deconstruction of civilization over the past 30 years.

It is they who invented the cliches such as, "It is a disincentive to work" that those who have no interest in or capacity for thinking, trot out to justify their greed.

What is offending me more and more is the profound assumption by the "Right Wingers" of some sort of moral superiority over those who are less fortunate. They talk of work as though they are the embodiment of the "Protestant Ethic" and all who have not had their luck (for luck it is) are dissolute "Papists."

They claim to have economic theory on their side when all they have are slogans provided for them by their ideological mentors.

[August1991]

That's why we need governments to take some of your money and spread it around to others. We will be having an inheritance tax soon enough. You do your children a disservice by leaving them too much - they will become parasites if they don't learn to value their own abilities to earn a living.

So, it's OK for the government to give my money to my children but not OK if I do it myself directly?

Canada has so much - timber, minerals, oil & gas, fish, agricultural products. I could go on and on. Let's start to share our resources with everyone else on the planet.

Or do you get your jollies from watching people starve to death?

The world has provided billions to Africans over the past several decades and yet African poverty is arguably worse now than in 1950. Throwing money at world poverty (or to use your idea, throwing logs and fish) won't solve the problem. In fact, many so-called "progressives" now argue that giving food to poor countries is bad.

[Riverwind]

Taxes, we all gotta love them . We have a progressive rate of tax so theoritically the more you earn the more you pay. If you earn $200,000 say, you might be left with $100,000 but if you earn earn $25,000. you will need it all and should not be taxed one cent. The rich guy still would have $75,000 more, so where's the problem with that - a rhetorical question as there is no problem. It's called FAIRNESS>

Top marginal tax rates are already greater than 50% in most provinces. No one should be expected to pay more than 50% of the income they earn to the tax man - It's called FAIRNESS.

In terms of incentives: many people on welfare today are their by choice because the can't be bothered to get a job or they made dumb choices because they knew the gov't would give them welfare (i.e. teenage moms). GIA would simply increase the number of these social parasites unless it was not 'guaranteed' under all circumstances.

[Toro]

They claim to have economic theory on their side when all they have are slogans provided for them by their ideological mentors.

In most cases, the right does have economics on their side.

[Guest eureka]

What economics! There is no evidence anywhere in the world to back up their assumptions. There is evidence to the contrary.

[Mad_Michael]

Livable Income For Everyone

We have an abundance of all material things in Canada so it is now time for us to share the wealth with all other Canadians and eventually all of those who live on our planet.

Canada needs to once again be the leaders in this revolution.  Goodness knows our fragile planet is looking for some new ideas instead of the same old, same old, boring, sterile ideas from the administrations South of the border.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Yes, we have enough to share. However, the minute you try to change our voluntary sharing into required charity, the surplus has a nasty habit of evaporating. Funny how that works.

If my produce is mine, I will share it. If you take it away from me, I shall not bother to produce it.

[Argus]

Gotta love these personal insults rather than trying to attack the issue under debate. Your arguments must be so weak that you have to resort to this kind of nonsense.

Canada has so much - timber, minerals, oil & gas, fish, agricultural products. I could go on and on. Let's start to share our resources with everyone else on the planet. 

Or do you get your jollies from watching people starve to death?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

It is always easier to be generous with other peoples money. That doesn't make you more noble or selfless than we taxpayers. Perhaps if you ever find yourself writing out large cheques to the government come tax time instead of cashing your refund you'll understand.

[shoop]

It is always easier to be generous with other peoples money. That doesn't make you more noble or selfless than we taxpayers. Perhaps if you ever find yourself writing out large cheques to the government come tax time instead of cashing your refund you'll understand.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Right on. It is easy to whinge about the goodness of re-distributing wealth when you are making f**k all. But the costs in terms of lost productivity are real and tangible. No Canadian government will ever create a GAI in Canada. That would be political suicide. As would a return of inheritance taxes for that matter. (Although I don't really have an issue with inheritance taxes in theory, I definitely think a GAI is insande.)

[Toro]

What economics! There is no evidence anywhere in the world to back up their assumptions. There is evidence to the contrary.

Are you joking?

[cybercoma]

What economics! There is no evidence anywhere in the world to back up their assumptions. There is evidence to the contrary.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Do me a favour, show up at my house and demand my money from me directly instead of trying to get the government to do your dirty work for you. I'll show you exactly what I think of people trying to take my money by force for their own perception of nobility and honour.