Trudeau Is Falling For Hamas Propaganda

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49 minutes ago, Rue said:

He must be proud of you too then usingt he exact same reasoning. But hey I know, you have a monopoly on what God believes.

I doubt God believes in me...which is His problem not mine.

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21 hours ago, Rue said:

Using the Bible or the Koran as an excuse to be a terrorist and draw a moral equivalence between the West and Hamas is a crock of shit. Its a tired leftist exercise to try romanticize Islamic extremism as being relative to Christianity.

It does not excuse what is happening in Gaza and people like you can whitewash terrorism and piss on Israel but the here and now of Gaza is terrorists who use their citizens as fodder in a self-destructive exercise-a prolonged terroristy tantrum that Israel exists. The fact is all the huffing and blowing has gotten Palestinians no where and they can decide live peacefully or wipe themselves out. The choice is their choice. Blaming Israel for their rejection of peace and democracy is bullshit. Israel do es not rule inside Gaza anymore than it does Arab countries or the West Bank where Muslims live.

A lot more people will die before Hamas moves o to its next political propaganda exercise of having its people use themselves as screaming idiot covers for Hamas terrorists.

 

I am not the one using any holy book for any reason whatsoever. People who follow Christianity Judaism, and Islam all follow a book (to one extent or another), But what pisses me off is all those major religions have a book that really does not shine good light on any of the religions. To me, you are all idiots. That way I can be fair about it.

I'll continue to piss on Israel if they continue to go along with the occupation and systematic take over of the West Bank via settlements roads and infrastructure fully supported by the Israeli government.  All while their military is heavily supported by the USA and also given billions of money.  Without that support, Israel would have imploded on day one. Israel seems to have some big friends in high places. Existence threatened my ass.

But how about a trade,  Hamas and Palestinians stop the terror from the open air prison, and Israel will dismantle and remove all settlements and infrastructure supporting it and revert back to the 67 border.  Both sides are being total sticks in the mud and no progress is made.

Question Rue..  Would you support it if Israel simply claimed Gaza and the West Bank as part of Israel?  If so...  why?  Even if Hamas was disbanded and everyone laid down their weapons (must be low on rocks anyways) would you accept it?

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But again,  Israel has tanks, heavily kitted soldiers and highly trained snipers.   For what ever reason, I don't think the Palestinains or Hamas has that kind of firepower.

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4 hours ago, GostHacked said:

To me, you are all idiots. That way I can be fair about it.

 

Now that you've opened up......funny, huh.....because to me, you are an idiot.  Nothing personal. 

To you, we are idiots for what we believe. 

  To me, you - and others like you - are an idiot for your ignorance about our belief. 

 

 

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But what pisses me off is all those major religions have a book that really does not shine good light on any of the religions.

To me, you are all idiots. That way I can be fair about it.

 

See?  You even provided something to support what I've just said.  And, you don't even realize it.   isn't that idiocy by ignorance? 

You've  lumped us all together.  To be fair, you say.  Nope.  Because as you say, you're pissed off about these books that don't meet your standard.   Why would you care that these books  do......"not shine good light on any of the religions?"

You have serious anger issues too, if you let that kind of thing bother you to the point that you lash out the way you do.

So you're pissed off.  Like you're about to have a fit?    Your tone is escalating actually as we go along.......as your temperature rises, I suppose.   Do you have high blood pressure, I wonder?  Anyway, that's my observation....

 

 

  Not fairness - actually it's rather unfair that you lump Christians with Islamist terrorists.  Fairness has nothing to do with what you've said.  

  It's because you're an idiot. 

 

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4 hours ago, GostHacked said:

But again,  Israel has tanks, heavily kitted soldiers and highly trained snipers.   For what ever reason, I don't think the Palestinains or Hamas has that kind of firepower.

Good!

Because had it been the other way around.....we wouldn't be talking about any Israel at all.  Jews would've been long extinct!

 

 

The amazing thing about Israel isn't only winning the 6-day war (when she was outnumbered and surrounded by enemies).  It's how she built herself up in such a short time to become the powerhouse that she is today!  

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18 hours ago, betsy said:

Good!

Because had it been the other way around.....we wouldn't be talking about any Israel at all.  Jews would've been long extinct!

 

 

The amazing thing about Israel isn't only winning the 6-day war (when she was outnumbered and surrounded by enemies).  It's how she built herself up in such a short time to become the powerhouse that she is today!  

Absolute bullshit. The Jews have manged to exist ever since the Disaspora. Each time they claim this, their lives only seem to get better. So you know I am not shedding any more tears for Israel.

And you ignore the fact that Israael has some big backers and that is why they were able to win the 6 Day war. Without that external help, Israel would have died on day one.  This is the hypocrisy that I absolutely despise coming from you religious people.

18 hours ago, betsy said:

Now that you've opened up......funny, huh.....because to me, you are an idiot.  Nothing personal. 

To you, we are idiots for what we believe. 

  To me, you - and others like you - are an idiot for your ignorance about our belief. 

See?  You even provided something to support what I've just said.  And, you don't even realize it.   isn't that idiocy by ignorance? 

You've  lumped us all together.  To be fair, you say.  Nope.  Because as you say, you're pissed off about these books that don't meet your standard.   Why would you care that these books  do......"not shine good light on any of the religions?"

You have serious anger issues too, if you let that kind of thing bother you to the point that you lash out the way you do.

So you're pissed off.  Like you're about to have a fit?    Your tone is escalating actually as we go along.......as your temperature rises, I suppose.   Do you have high blood pressure, I wonder?  Anyway, that's my observation....

  Not fairness - actually it's rather unfair that you lump Christians with Islamist terrorists.  Fairness has nothing to do with what you've said.  

  It's because you're an idiot. 

I only take it personal when someone can put forth a decent argument. What you post is just pitiful really.  I am an atheist. So anyone who really believes in a sky god in one form or another while not accepting other made up sky gods proves the idiocy.  Why can't you accept the god that other religions follow? What makes Christianity true to you? Because you were born and raised in it. I was raised without religion and yet I can tell what is right and what is wrong.

I am lumping religions in with each other, not equating Christianity with Islamic terrorism. That would be stupid of me. I am talking the religions on the whole.  But then you seem to have your own problem of terrorism in the USA committed by white guys who could be crazy Christians. But the terrorism bit never gets thrown on them. No, terrorism is strictly a label associated with Islam according to many here, including yourself. And not even really talking radical Islam, just Islam in general.

But again this is thread drift and can get this thing locked by CA. So let's get back to the topic AGAIN. 

What Israeli propaganda are you falling for?

 

 

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19 hours ago, GostHacked said:

Absolute bullshit. The Jews have manged to exist ever since the Disaspora. Each time they claim this, their lives only seem to get better. So you know I am not shedding any more tears for Israel.

And you ignore the fact that Israael has some big backers and that is why they were able to win the 6 Day war. Without that external help, Israel would have died on day one.  This is the hypocrisy that I absolutely despise coming from you religious people.

I only take it personal when someone can put forth a decent argument. What you post is just pitiful really.  I am an atheist. So anyone who really believes in a sky god in one form or another while not accepting other made up sky gods proves the idiocy.  Why can't you accept the god that other religions follow? What makes Christianity true to you? Because you were born and raised in it. I was raised without religion and yet I can tell what is right and what is wrong.

I am lumping religions in with each other, not equating Christianity with Islamic terrorism. That would be stupid of me. I am talking the religions on the whole.  But then you seem to have your own problem of terrorism in the USA committed by white guys who could be crazy Christians. But the terrorism bit never gets thrown on them. No, terrorism is strictly a label associated with Islam according to many here, including yourself. And not even really talking radical Islam, just Islam in general.

But again this is thread drift and can get this thing locked by CA. So let's get back to the topic AGAIN. 

What Israeli propaganda are you falling for?

 

 

It's not a matter of shedding tears.  It's a matter of being realistic.  

Israel has the right to be aggressive to any nation that want to see them annihilated.     That they have the power - so much the better.

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19 hours ago, GostHacked said:

Absolute bullshit. The Jews have manged to exist ever since the Disaspora. Each time they claim this, their lives only seem to get better. So you know I am not shedding any more tears for Israel.

And you ignore the fact that Israael has some big backers and that is why they were able to win the 6 Day war. Without that external help, Israel would have died on day one.  This is the hypocrisy that I absolutely despise coming from you religious people.

 

Whether they had support or not, doesn't change the fact that the war lasted only 6 days.  And Israel had built herself up in such a short time to become the Israel we have today.  That's amazing!

 

What's religion got to do with it???   Did I say anything about my belief?

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20 hours ago, GostHacked said:

 I am an atheist.

 

 

Exactly!    That's why it's doubly idiotic to lump all religion, and  to expect religious books to meet your standard. 

 

 

We're talking about Israel and Hamas..........but you got  into the sky-daddy, and other gods, and why I think Christianity is true.

 

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So anyone who really believes in a sky god in one form or another while not accepting other made up sky gods proves the idiocy.  Why can't you accept the god that other religions follow? What makes Christianity true to you? Because you were born and raised in it. I was raised without religion and yet I can tell what is right and what is wrong.

That tirade of yours, just shows how convoluted your thinking is.

 

Sounds like someone isn't having a good day.......

 

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On 5/26/2018 at 2:43 PM, GostHacked said:

But again,  Israel has tanks, heavily kitted soldiers and highly trained snipers.   For what ever reason, I don't think the Palestinains or Hamas has that kind of firepower.

That was to defend herself against the Arab armies, now that the arabs are to scared to take her on, they send their children to do the dirty work. How anyone could take the arab side on this is insane, unless it is hatred for them. Funny how the left in this world expects Israel to just roll over of them.

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8 hours ago, betsy said:

It's not a matter of shedding tears.  It's a matter of being realistic.  

Israel has the right to be aggressive to any nation that want to see them annihilated.     That they have the power - so much the better.

Palestine is not a nation, it is an occupied territory. Huge freaking difference here. And no matter how much the Palestinians try, they still fail with getting rid of Israel.

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12 hours ago, GostHacked said:

Palestine is not a nation, it is an occupied territory. Huge freaking difference here. And no matter how much the Palestinians try, they still fail with getting rid of Israel.

 

....any nation....... or any group, or any people.

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On 5/28/2018 at 8:43 AM, betsy said:

Whether they had support or not, doesn't change the fact that the war lasted only 6 days.  And Israel had built herself up in such a short time to become the Israel we have today.  That's amazing!

How did Israel obtain such firepower right at the start of the creation of new Israel? Who was their backers? They did not do it on their own.

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There is a lot of propaganda on either side.  But that is ignored if you support their cause.

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3 hours ago, GostHacked said:

How did Israel obtain such firepower right at the start of the creation of new Israel? Who was their backers? They did not do it on their own.

Who cares whether they have backers or not.....whether they have supporters or not.    It still is amazing how they've managed not only to survive and win.....but to build up in such a short time.

 

I mean, isn't Israel more powerful than Canada, warfare-wise?  Their equipments were made in this century. 

 

In boosting our economy, Trudeau - would be better off taking a page or two from Israel!

Here's a very interesting read.....
 

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In 1950, just two years after the state of Israel was founded, the country’s first commercial delegation set off for South America.

Israel desperately needed trading partners. Unlike its Arab adversaries, Israel did not have natural resources to fund its economy. There was no oil or minerals. Nothing.

The delegation held a couple of meetings but was mostly met with laughs. The Israelis were trying to sell oranges, kerosene stove tops and fake teeth. For countries like Argentina, which grew its own oranges and was connected to the electrical grid, the products were pretty useless.

 

It’s hard to imagine this is what Israeli exports looked like a mere 67 years ago. Today, Israel is a high-tech superpower and one of the world’s top weapons exporters with approximately $6.5 billion in annual arms sales. 

 

Since 1985, for example, Israel is the world’s largest exporter of drones, responsible for about 60 percent of the global market, trailed by the US, whose market share is under 25 percent. Its customers are everywhere — Russia, South Korea, Australia, France, Germany and Brazil.  

 

To this day, the Merkava tank is one of Israel’s most top-secret projects. It is said to be one of the most lethal and protected tanks in the world, and its construction started out of pure necessity — the United Kingdom and other countries refused to sell Israel tanks. So in the 1970s, it started to build its own.

 

https://nypost.com/2017/01/29/why-israel-has-the-most-technologically-advanced-military-on-earth/

 

They have an excellent incentive.  They have to!

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2 hours ago, GostHacked said:

There is a lot of propaganda on either side.  But that is ignored if you support their cause.

 Propaganda is a way of life now.  Just look at our politics at home.  What politics doesn't do any propaganda, can you name one?

 

No, not ignored. But I choose the ones who's righteous.

Surely......you must be kidding to suggest justifying something like Hamas?  Islamic Jihadists?  Because, that's what it sounds like.

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4 hours ago, betsy said:

 Propaganda is a way of life now.  Just look at our politics at home.  What politics doesn't do any propaganda, can you name one?

Well, thanks Cap'n Obvious. I just don't support it on either side. And I would hope I would be smart enough not to fall for it. Well, we all thing we know propaganda when we see it. Right? If the other side is being fed a line, do you ever consider what is being fed to you?

4 hours ago, betsy said:

 

No, not ignored. But I choose the ones who's righteous.

Surely......you must be kidding to suggest justifying something like Hamas?  Islamic Jihadists?  Because, that's what it sounds like.

I just know it happens on both sides and support neither, while many have fallen for one side or the other due to being susceptible to propaganda.

But fine, I shall jump on board and go one further, let's just put all the Palestinians in REAL prisons and huddle them naked in these chambers and put them in the long sleep. Wait, too much for you? To over the top? This is what you are advocating for anyways. Genocide. making the Nazi ideology tried and true and kept alive by ignorance like this.

4 hours ago, betsy said:

Who cares whether they have backers or not.....whether they have supporters or not.    It still is amazing how they've managed not only to survive and win.....but to build up in such a short time.

Actually it matters a lot. Since that is the case, there was no way they would lose anyways. So Jews not only bought up a lot of land, but imported a crap load of military hardware set up shop THEN declared themselves a nation, knowing they would win if anyone had an issue with it,  as the surrounding nations were very lacking in military hardware and tactics. (some created after this whole thing). That's quite the feat. Without those backers, we would not be even talking about Israel.

4 hours ago, betsy said:

 

I mean, isn't Israel more powerful than Canada, warfare-wise?  Their equipments were made in this century. 

Israel would destroy our military. They also have nuclear weapons, top notch defence systems, and a very powerful and global reaching spy intelligence network.  Now that's also interesting that a nation that is about half the age of Canada, but is yet way more advanced in these areas than we are. Money and weapons flowed in.. from somewhere.

So by means of a lot of foreign power is the reason how Israel got started and how it continues to flourish to this day. With out it, Israel would collapse.  Although this is not a fair comparison, but when  the USA retired the F-14 Tomcat, Iran could no longer get parts for their jets. So their air force took a huge hit as they had to consider a complete replacement with a completely different supply chain. Holy crap, that is right. the USA actually did military deals with Iran back in the day. Interesting.

So Trudeau may be falling for that propaganda or actually putting it forth himself. I would say he is not that naive as a groomed 'leader' or propagandist if you will. He did not fall for anything, he always supported it, perhaps.

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9 hours ago, GostHacked said:

 Well, we all thing we know propaganda when we see it. Right?

 

yet..........you're so sure Israel has been giving propaganda.

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3 hours ago, betsy said:

 

yet..........you're so sure Israel has been giving propaganda.

100% they are giving propaganda.  Bibi's recent display of books and CDs claiming they have information on Iran's nuclear program is a great example of that. It happens on BOTH sides. The truth is more somewhere in the middle.