Canada Among Few Countries Where Jews Have a Future

[jbg]

Mirielle Kroll, an 85 year old Holocaust survivor was murdered by neighbors alleged because she was Jewish. The brutal killing of a Holocaust survivor raises anti-Semitism fears in France. She was stabbed 11 times and then left to die in her house, which the killers set ablaze. This was not the only such incident. An Orthodox Jewish woman in her sixties was thrown out of the window of her Paris flat by a neighbor shouting “Allahu Akhbar.” Thousands march in Paris in memory of murdered Holocaust survivor.

According to a recent NY Times article, In France, Officer Slain After Swapping Places With Hostage Is Hailed as Hero, "France mourned a police officer who died of his injuries after swapping places with a hostage held by a gunman claiming allegiance to the Islamic State."

After the U.S. and Israel, France, with 460,000 Jews has the third highest number of Jew of any country. The question remains, why are they remaining in France or for that matter anywhere in Continental Europe? France has, to be sure, brief intervals of liberalism. The first few years of the French revolutionary period, some of the years of Napolean's reign, and the period from 1945 to the early 1960's come to mind.

However, France is also the land of the DREYFUS CASE ("L'Affaire Dreyfus"), and notable collaboration with the Nazis by the Vichy Government and in the areas directly occupied by the Nazis. The current and recent governments indeed seem well intentioned. Former PM Valls was quoted in an Atlantic Magazine article as follows:
The problem, this time around is not France's government; it is recent Islamist immigrants. It is not possible, unless the Government wants an internal war, to really bring matters under control. French troops cannot surround each synagogue, each Kosher market or now, as we learn from the Kroll murder, each private house.

Other European countries such as Belgium, Denmark and Sweden have experienced similar strife. The Great Debate question is whether the Jewish people can safely exist and build a life and a community anywhere besides Israel, the U.S., Canada & Australia?

I believe the answer is a firm "no."

 

[Bonam]

6 hours ago, jbg said:

question is whether the Jewish people can safely exist and build a life and a community anywhere besides Israel, the U.S., Canada & Australia?

I believe the answer is a firm "no."

 

It's not clear that they can safely exist in the US, Canada, or Australia either. All of these countries have their share of antisemitism, both of the homegrown right wing variety, the lately fashionable left wing variety, and of the Islamic immigrant variety. Nor is it clear that they can safely exist in Israel, which is surrounded by enemies with increasingly sophisticated weaponry. 

The existence of the Jewish people has been a struggle for survival for all of recorded history and will no doubt continue to be so. The post WWII period may be seen as a brief interlude, but it is not likely to last much longer than the lifetimes of people that remember WWII and the Holocaust. 

[scribblet]

Germany isn't safe either as they have been warned not to wear a kippah.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/german-jews-advised-against-wearing-kippah-a-1020890.html

The question of Jewish safety in Germany became the subject of public debate on Thursday after Josef Schuster, president of the Central Council of Jews in Germany, wondered in a radio interview whether it "really made sense" in "problem neighborhoods with large Muslim populations to make oneself recognizable as a Jew by wearing a kippah?" He suggested that in "might be better to choose a different head covering" in such instances.

[Goddess]

39 minutes ago, scribblet said:

Germany isn't safe either as they have been warned not to wear a kippah.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/german-jews-advised-against-wearing-kippah-a-1020890.html

The question of Jewish safety in Germany became the subject of public debate on Thursday after Josef Schuster, president of the Central Council of Jews in Germany, wondered in a radio interview whether it "really made sense" in "problem neighborhoods with large Muslim populations to make oneself recognizable as a Jew by wearing a kippah?" He suggested that in "might be better to choose a different head covering" in such instances.

Related story:

http://www.dw.com/en/2000-berliners-wear-skullcaps-to-protest-anti-semitism/a-43537545

 

[cannuck]

Europe has slipped a long way down the rabbit hole with their immigration policies and patterns, but sadly we don't even bother with the pretense of seeking immigrants who could contribute positively to Canada's future, but seem to embrace mostly those who will foment the greatest social and criminal unrest.

[jbg]

14 hours ago, cannuck said:

Europe has slipped a long way down the rabbit hole with their immigration policies and patterns, but sadly we don't even bother with the pretense of seeking immigrants who could contribute positively to Canada's future, but seem to embrace mostly those who will foment the greatest social and criminal unrest.

The same way Canada supports countries and cultures with no chance of success. But so did our Obama-Nation.

[cannuck]

8 hours ago, jbg said:

The same way Canada supports countries and cultures with no chance of success. But so did our Obama-Nation.

I was being polite (Canadian, eh?) and not mentioning that.

[GostHacked]

On 4/25/2018 at 6:11 PM, Bonam said:

It's not clear that they can safely exist in the US, Canada, or Australia either. All of these countries have their share of antisemitism, both of the homegrown right wing variety, the lately fashionable left wing variety, and of the Islamic immigrant variety. Nor is it clear that they can safely exist in Israel, which is surrounded by enemies with increasingly sophisticated weaponry. 

The existence of the Jewish people has been a struggle for survival for all of recorded history and will no doubt continue to be so. The post WWII period may be seen as a brief interlude, but it is not likely to last much longer than the lifetimes of people that remember WWII and the Holocaust. 

And the Jews overcame all those struggles to come into the modern age, otherwise would be left in the dustbins of history.  Jew are not victims anymore and should stop seeing themselves as such. We can also get into JBGs hatred of Muslims, but then the victim card could not be played.

It's also not clear that I can safely exist outside of these countries either.  I am a single white male that is also an atheist. Also very accustomed to our way of life here and would struggle a lot in another nation to adjust.

The Jews have built a nation through various methods (some of which I do not agree with). With Israel they have overcome a lot, mind you it is with the help of other larger more powerful nations. Without that I don't believe that Israel would even exist.  There are some places on earth I would not want to live. And even if that nation hated people like me, it's kind of irrelevant because I don't want to be there anyways.

Can Jews exist as Jews outside of Israel?  The answer is YES as they have done it for the last 6000( not sure of the timeline)  years? While other ethnicity/religions have come and gone. So be proud of that fact that Jews are still here.

Is it a notion of wanting more? Having a nation for Jews is simply not enough to counter the existential question of Jews not being able to be Jew? 

 

 

 

[taxme]

On 4/25/2018 at 8:58 AM, jbg said:

Mirielle Kroll, an 85 year old Holocaust survivor was murdered by neighbors alleged because she was Jewish. The brutal killing of a Holocaust survivor raises anti-Semitism fears in France. She was stabbed 11 times and then left to die in her house, which the killers set ablaze. This was not the only such incident. An Orthodox Jewish woman in her sixties was thrown out of the window of her Paris flat by a neighbor shouting “Allahu Akhbar.” Thousands march in Paris in memory of murdered Holocaust survivor.

According to a recent NY Times article, In France, Officer Slain After Swapping Places With Hostage Is Hailed as Hero, "France mourned a police officer who died of his injuries after swapping places with a hostage held by a gunman claiming allegiance to the Islamic State."

After the U.S. and Israel, France, with 460,000 Jews has the third highest number of Jew of any country. The question remains, why are they remaining in France or for that matter anywhere in Continental Europe? France has, to be sure, brief intervals of liberalism. The first few years of the French revolutionary period, some of the years of Napolean's reign, and the period from 1945 to the early 1960's come to mind.

However, France is also the land of the DREYFUS CASE ("L'Affaire Dreyfus"), and notable collaboration with the Nazis by the Vichy Government and in the areas directly occupied by the Nazis. The current and recent governments indeed seem well intentioned. Former PM Valls was quoted in an Atlantic Magazine article as follows:
The problem, this time around is not France's government; it is recent Islamist immigrants. It is not possible, unless the Government wants an internal war, to really bring matters under control. French troops cannot surround each synagogue, each Kosher market or now, as we learn from the Kroll murder, each private house.

Other European countries such as Belgium, Denmark and Sweden have experienced similar strife. The Great Debate question is whether the Jewish people can safely exist and build a life and a community anywhere besides Israel, the U.S., Canada & Australia?

I believe the answer is a firm "no."

 

But the strange thing about all of this is that it is the Jewish people that encouraged multiculturalism and the push for more third world people to immigrate and invade France and Europe. Barbara Lerner Spectre was one Jewish woman that said that Europe must accept multiculturalism and the third world invasion and the Jewish people will be resented for being behind that push and that it must happen. And then the Jews cry about anti-semitism? Why would Jewish people want to encourage the immigration of people who want to kill them all? It looks like they are starting to reap what they have sown. Their fault, not the Europeans fault. So stop with the cry me a river stuff. It's staring to look like it is too late for that now. 

No one has ever answered my question as to why the Jews are so hated and have been hated for thousands of years. Why is that? Anyone care to comment on that? I would sure like to have someone to some Jewish person explain this to me. 

[taxme]

On 4/25/2018 at 3:11 PM, Bonam said:

It's not clear that they can safely exist in the US, Canada, or Australia either. All of these countries have their share of antisemitism, both of the homegrown right wing variety, the lately fashionable left wing variety, and of the Islamic immigrant variety. Nor is it clear that they can safely exist in Israel, which is surrounded by enemies with increasingly sophisticated weaponry. 

The existence of the Jewish people has been a struggle for survival for all of recorded history and will no doubt continue to be so. The post WWII period may be seen as a brief interlude, but it is not likely to last much longer than the lifetimes of people that remember WWII and the Holocaust. 

The problem I have noticed over the years is that it is the Jewish people who seem to not want to have anything to do with non-Jews. I believe that all Jews today have all been taught from an early age that they should never trust gentiles. Is this true or not? You tell me. 

[Argus]

On 4/27/2018 at 9:32 AM, cannuck said:

Europe has slipped a long way down the rabbit hole with their immigration policies and patterns, but sadly we don't even bother with the pretense of seeking immigrants who could contribute positively to Canada's future, but seem to embrace mostly those who will foment the greatest social and criminal unrest.

Clearly you're mistaken. Look at all the Haitians and Nigerians and Somalians we're bringing in!

 

[cannuck]

16 hours ago, Argus said:

Clearly you're mistaken. Look at all the Haitians and Nigerians and Somalians we're bringing in!

 

Yeah, I forgot der Meisterklasse.