Iran needs some democracy

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1 hour ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

The Shah, who later became somewhat dictatorial when pressed by the Mullahs, was "installed" by Joseph Stalin in 1941.

This is ridiculous. How you came up with a story like that beats me. I guess that leader of North Korea Kim Jung-Un in your eye was also installed by the US!!!!!!!

[kactus]

2 hours ago, GostHacked said:

Care to link me something legit to show that? I am sure you are correct, but I wanted to make sure.

Here’s an interesting connection between the Shah and the US:

 

Following the coup in 1953, a government under General Fazlollah Zahedi was formed which allowed Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, the last Shah of Iran (Persian for an Iranian king),^[21]

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'état

 

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The Shah had nothing to do with 1953 coup. He was in Italy with his wife Soraya (a very popular queen) when news of the coup broke to him on a dinner table with his wife and his wife later described that the Shah was shocked and almost fainted at the news (he was told that the nation has risen up on every corner and street in millions asking for the return of the Shah). He had little money to support himself and his wife in exile and told that to her wife. When he came back to Iran from exile he genuinely believed that the nation has risen to bring him back to power. That day was celebrated as people's uprising for the King for decades after!!!!!.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'état

The Shah stayed in a hotel in Italy until he learned what had transpired, upon which he "chokingly declared": "I knew they loved me." Allen Dulles, the director of the CIA, flew back with the Shah from Rome to Tehran.^[Zahedi officially replaced Mosaddegh. Mossadegh was arrested, tried, and originally sentenced to death. But on the Shah's personal orders, his sentence was commuted to three years' solitary confinement in a military prison, followed by house arrest until his death.

Edited March 11, 2018 by CITIZEN_2015

[DogOnPorch]

6 hours ago, GostHacked said:

Care to link me something legit to show that? I am sure you are correct, but I wanted to make sure.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Reza_Pahlavi#Deposition_of_his_father

 

Edited March 12, 2018 by DogOnPorch

[DogOnPorch]

It's easy if unfamiliar with Iranian history to confuse the two events. The Shah coming to the throne after his father was deposed was in 1941. the Iranian Army Coup with CIA assistance to remove the pro-Communist Mossadeq was in 1953.

[DogOnPorch]

....and while we're at it. Why the Coup? Oil? Sure...as far as the British were concerned. But for the Iranian Army it had more to do with the VERY poor experience they had at the hands of their Soviet captors during WW2. Mossadeq was in bed with the Communist Tudeh Party. The Tudehs tried to get parts of Iran annexed by the Soviet Union. The UN's first crisis...

This equaled trouble even without Kermit Roosevelt spreading CIA cash around like it was going out of style to the remaining Army officers not quite yet aboard with the Coup.

Also: The USA had poured billions into the Persian Corridor...air ports...sea ports...highways...you name it. Handing Iran and all that infrastructure over to the USSR was not going to happen.

And it didn't...

Edited March 12, 2018 by DogOnPorch

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9 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Reza_Pahlavi#Deposition_of_his_father

 

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Nowhere in the link it makes the gross claim even remotely that the Shah was installed by Stalin. As I said it was Prome Minister Forough who was an enemy of Reza Shah helped the Crown Prince to becme the next King.

Edited March 12, 2018 by CITIZEN_2015

[DogOnPorch]

4 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Nowhere in the link it makes the gross claim even remotely that the Shah was installed by Stalin. As I said it was Prome Minister Forough who was an enemy of Reza Shah helped the Crown Prince to becme the next King.

 

For the history challenged: The Soviet Union invaded Iran in 1941 while Germany was conducting Operation Barbarossa. Not wanting Iran to be annexed by the Soviets, the British quickly invaded from the south. The old Shah (pro-Nazi) was deposed and the young Shah we all know was "installed".

Let's see that pic again....yup, that's Stalin and Molotov with the Shah.

Edited March 12, 2018 by DogOnPorch

[GostHacked]

14 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

It's easy if unfamiliar with Iranian history to confuse the two events. The Shah coming to the throne after his father was deposed was in 1941. the Iranian Army Coup with CIA assistance to remove the pro-Communist Mossadeq was in 1953.

And things have been great since then,..  oh wait.

[DogOnPorch]

1 hour ago, GostHacked said:

And things have been great since then,..  oh wait.

 

Things were great until 1979. Then the Frenchies allowed the Ayatollah who had been their guest to go back to Iran to steal the Revolution away from the people and into the hands of a theocratic dictatorship where they stone women and hang homosexuals.

You know...Islam in charge. 

[GostHacked]

51 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Things were great until 1979. Then the Frenchies allowed the Ayatollah who had been their guest to go back to Iran to steal the Revolution away from the people and into the hands of a theocratic dictatorship where they stone women and hang homosexuals.

You know...Islam in charge. 

Why not put some of the blame on the French?

[kactus]

4 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

For the history challenged: The Soviet Union invaded Iran in 1941 while Germany was conducting Operation Barbarossa. Not wanting Iran to be annexed by the Soviets, the British quickly invaded from the south. The old Shah (pro-Nazi) was deposed and the young Shah we all know was "installed".

Let's see that pic again....yup, that's Stalin and Molotov with the Shah.

 

9 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Nowhere in the link it makes the gross claim even remotely that the Shah was installed by Stalin. As I said it was Prome Minister Forough who was an enemy of Reza Shah helped the Crown Prince to becme the next King.

Exactly right! DOP fails to mention the Tehran conference 1943 that involved Roosevelt and Churchill too...

https://history.state.gov/milestones/1937-1945/tehran-conf

 

In the same article he shared we us there are also dozens of photos of Shah meeting virtually the entire US presidents till 1979 namely Truman, Roosevelt, Kennedy, Carter, Nixon and Ford. But no, all those are brushed aside only his selective attention span on the history of Iran focuses on Russians....

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Shah_with_FDR.jpeg#/media/File:Shah_with_FDR.jpeg

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Photograph_of_the_President_and_Mrs._Truman_with_the_Shah_of_Iran,_in_formal_attire,_during_the_Shah's_visit_to_the..._-_NARA_-_200150.jpg#/media/File:Photograph_of_the_President_and_Mrs._Truman_with_the_Shah_of_Iran,_in_formal_attire,_during_the_Shah's_visit_to_the..._-_NARA_-_200150.jpg

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kennedy_with_Shah_of_Iran,_1961.jpg#/media/File:Kennedy_with_Shah_of_Iran,_1961.jpg

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kennedy's_welcome_Shah_of_Iran_to_W._House_digital_file_from_original_item.tif#/media/File:Kennedy's_welcome_Shah_of_Iran_to_W._House_digital_file_from_original_item.tif

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Mohammad_Reza_Shah_Pahlavi_and_Richard_Nixon_Oval_Office.gif#/media/File:Mohammad_Reza_Shah_Pahlavi_and_Richard_Nixon_Oval_Office.gif

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Gerald_Ford_and_Mohammad_Reza_Shah_Pahlavi_Whitehouse_South_Lawn.jpg#/media/File:Gerald_Ford_and_Mohammad_Reza_Shah_Pahlavi_Whitehouse_South_Lawn.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:TheShahNeilArmstrong.png#/media/File:TheShahNeilArmstrong.png

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_Shah_with_Atherton,_Sullivan,_Vance,_Carter_and_Brzezinski,_1977.jpg#/media/File:The_Shah_with_Atherton,_Sullivan,_Vance,_Carter_and_Brzezinski,_1977.jpg

 

 

 

 

 

 

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10 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

For the history challenged: The Soviet Union invaded Iran in 1941 while Germany was conducting Operation Barbarossa. Not wanting Iran to be annexed by the Soviets, the British quickly invaded from the south. The old Shah (pro-Nazi) was deposed and the young Shah we all know was "installed".

Let's see that pic again....yup, that's Stalin and Molotov with the Shah.

 

Calling Reza Shah the Great pro-Nazi shows how ignorant you are about everything. The British and Russians were both destructive to Iran (Persia) over many decades. The British tried to colonize Iran and stole its oil for many years and Russians kept on attacking Iran from the North and occupying Iranian territories and on many occasions even annexing them. The Germans did neither. In fact they helped Iran to re-build after centuries of destruction and lack of care by traitor Ghajar dynasty. They also somewhat liked Iran as Persians are originally Aryans (though unlike German mixed with invading races) and so were Germans. So Reza Shah kept close relationship with Germans strategically to counter the British and Russian aggressions as Germany was coutering their aggression too.

As kactus said so well, taking pictures with Stalin does not mean he was installed. He has pictures with many world leaders including many US presidents. Here is a picture of Shah with US president in the SAME conference.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tehran_Conference#/media/File:Shah_with_FDR.jpeg

Edited March 13, 2018 by CITIZEN_2015

[DogOnPorch]

2 hours ago, GostHacked said:

Why not put some of the blame on the French?

 

Didn't I? Just did, I thought. Don't blame me that you weren't witness to this event from afar in 1979.

1 hour ago, kactus said:

 

Exactly right! DOP fails to mention the Tehran conference 1943 that involved Roosevelt and Churchill too...

https://history.state.gov/milestones/1937-1945/tehran-conf

 

Failing to mention one of WW2's conferences is hardly vindication of your wild version of history.

The Russians would have invaded in 1941 with or without British assistance.

 

24 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

 

 

Calling Reza Shah the Great pro-Nazi shows how ignorant you are about everything. The British and Russians were both desctructive to Iran (Persia) over many decades. The British tried to colonize Iran and stole its oil for many years and Russians kept on attacking Iran from the North and occupying Iranian territories and on many occasions even annexing them. The Germans did neither. In fact they helped Iran to re-build after centuries of destruction and lack of care by traitor Ghajar dynasty. They also somewhat liked Iran as Persians are originally Aryans (though unlike German mixed with invading races) and so were Germans. So Reza Shah kept close relationship with Germans strategically to counter the British and Russian aggressions as Germany was coutering their aggression too.

As kactus said so well, taking pictures with Stalin does not mean he was installed. He has pictures with many world leaders including many US presidents.

He was very much pro-Nazi. 

Your invented history where Stalin didn't invade Iran and turf Reza isn't worth commenting on further.

Edited March 12, 2018 by DogOnPorch

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30 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

He was very much pro-Nazi. 

Your invented history where Stalin didn't invade Iran and turf Reza isn't worth commenting on further.

You are making a fool out of yourself in public. First you claimed that Stalin installed Mahamad Reza Shah on the crown and your very false gross claim was rebuffed with evidence and then you changed your story completely and claimed again very falsely that I have said that Stalin didn't invade Iran and didn't force Reza Shah to leave!!!!!!!!. Seriously you discredited yourself real bad.

Edited March 12, 2018 by CITIZEN_2015

[kactus]

32 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Didn't I? Just did, I thought. Don't blame me that you weren't witness to this event from afar in 1979.

 

Failing to mention one of WW2's conferences is hardly vindication of your wild version of history.

The Russians would have invaded in 1941 with or without British assistance.

 

He was very much pro-Nazi. 

Your invented history where Stalin didn't invade Iran and turf Reza isn't worth commenting on further.

Russians and Persians have a history of wars like any neighbouring countries. The Russians as explained to you already always wanted to annex parts of Iran....This is summed up in a series of treaties between the two countries as documented below. After the fall of the USSR, the Russians had no stomach to care about the former soviet states.... 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Persian_Wars

FYI, the invasion of Russia and the British was to create a corridor and cut off the supplies of the Germans during world war II. Your making up stories that Shah was a by product of Stalin is ridiculous to say the least!

 

[bush_cheney2004]

Ayatollah advice for Obama:

 

[GostHacked]

2 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

Didn't I? Just did, I thought. Don't blame me that you weren't witness to this event from afar in 1979.

Noted. I only blame you for incorrect projections.

2 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

Failing to mention one of WW2's conferences is hardly vindication of your wild version of history.

 

Like this incorrect projection.

2 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

Your invented history where Stalin didn't invade Iran and turf Reza isn't worth commenting on further.

More projections.  Deal with what I post and not what you think I would post.

[SpankyMcFarland]

On 2018-03-10 at 8:16 AM, bush_cheney2004 said:

Iran has exported/sponsored plenty of "terrorism" consistent with its own regional interests....not so innocent in such matters.

 

 

 

 

What country is? I think DT had something to say on this. At least Iran keeps it regional.

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Here is some fruit for thought. The current President and fomer president and the grandson of the former leader of revolution all predicting the fall of the regime unless the regime hears the voice of the nation and recognizes the social change and listen to social demands for freedom and address the economic issues :

https://english.alarabiya.net/en/features/2018/03/12/-Khomeini-s-grandson-criticizes-crackdown-of-Iran-protests.html

Even the interior minister prodicts reignition of popular protests

https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2018/03/iran-rahmani-fazli-interior-minister-protests-spark-report.html

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And Noruz is coming starting tonight with the Festival of Fires. It is the biggest celebrations in Iran by Persians for 14 days and the regime oppose to it as it is a pre-Islamic tradition in Ancient Persia now celebrated widely by many tens of millions of people. 

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/03/13/iran-protesters-ready-to-signal-new-day-for-regime.html

Edited March 13, 2018 by CITIZEN_2015

[GostHacked]

On 3/12/2018 at 10:23 AM, DogOnPorch said:

Let's see that pic again....yup, that's Stalin and Molotov with the Shah.

 

Yeah imagine that. Leaders meet with leaders.

[SpankyMcFarland]

Every nation carries a few strange notions around with itself. The Turks insist on denying their ethnic non-Turkishness and the Iranians remain deeply ambivalent about their Arab neighbours despite adopting their religion. 

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7 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

 the Iranians remain deeply ambivalent about their Arab neighbours despite adopting their religion. 

Being Invaded and forced is hardly called adopting!!!!!!!!

Edited March 14, 2018 by CITIZEN_2015

[kactus]

7 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Every nation carries a few strange notions around with itself. The Turks insist on denying their ethnic non-Turkishness and the Iranians remain deeply ambivalent about their Arab neighbours despite adopting their religion. 

Paradoxically, the one thing the Iranian revolution achieved in 1978 was to turn 65% of the young and educated population born after the revolution against the religion forced on them! We have learned from history what happened religion dictated the lives of people during middle ages....That ended in separation of church from state. 

So why does it become now ambivalent or a strange notion when it concerns Iran!? Or is it just your own projection....