Bernie Sanders - Hero to Fools

[Cum Laude]

Seems that Bernie had a dram or two of the Davos Club Kool-Aid. He gave a speech where he recited the usual Democrat talking-points about Trump’s xenophobia, Islamophobia, homophobia, racism, sexism.

I mention this because I just read an article about Dollar General. That retail chain is targeting thousands of American communities laid low by a generation of plant closures and offshoring. In the estimation of Dollar General execs, the lost jobs are never coming back, hence the opportunity and demand for Dollar General.

Now you’d think that Bernie, having spent so much time on this very issue, wouldn’t get distracted. You’d think that he’d stick with what matters.

But no. Bernie spent some words preposterizing, he talked about Trump’s EXTREME right wing agenda. So let’s see, over yonder in Asia Trump just gave a talking-to about alleviating an insupportable and unsustainable American trade deficit. You know, that thing that along with offshoring is the demolisher of American livelihoods and communities. I guess that issue, the same issue that Bernie used to talk about, counts as “extreme”.

I thought that Bernie was better than that. See, Bernie started out good, Bernie used to tell it like it is, talking about an America ruined by a handful of billionaires and their Washington lackeys. It’s too bad. Bernie sold out. Bernie talked about cuts in government programs for working families. What he didn’t talk about is that glue that holds families and communities and societies together, long-term, well-paying, stable employment.

Maybe Bernie got a visit. Or maybe Bernie got the memo that laid out for him the facts of LIFE and more particularly, whose interests matter in this world and whose interests don’t. Maybe the memo acted as smelling salts that woke him up to his own interests, chiefly self-preservation.

Maybe Bernie spent some time gazing into the middle-distance re-evaluating matters. Clearly, the interests of the people he used to speak up for maybe don’t matter so much anymore. So it’s back to Democratic talking-points bullshit.

[H10]

Trump puts his foot in his mouth literally every time he talks, Sanders for the most part is usually pretty good.

 

While it is a fact that Trump is obviously xenophobic, islamophobic(muslim ban+ double standard in white terrorist attacks = "mentally ill" vs muslims = terrorist), racist (mexicans bringing rape, crime and drugs,  and settling case for discrimination against african american renters and comments on central park 5 and comments about not wanting african american accountants) and sexist (grab them right in the p comment and numerous sexual assault cases) .  I have not seen evidence of his homophobia to be fair.

Bernie talking about racism would be no surprise given that he had lost the African American vote for his refusal to embrace African American issues as did Hilary Clinton.  It is no secret that African Americans choosing to stay had caused the democrats to lose the election in 2018 and Bernie to lose the nomination.  I believe the democratic party is facing a real fork in the road.  They are going to have to decide if they will do something for their African American voting base who they have promised for years to help while doing nothing to help and often hindering them.  Or if they will become the Republican light party.

 

This is the real bind for the democrats.  Despite all their finger pointing at "Racist" Republicans, they know deep down their white democratic base is just as racist, if not MORE, than the Trump voters, both parties are dedicated to ignoring African American issues.

 

If Bernie cannot make specific dollar guarantees to the African American community, you should expect to see a second Trump term.

[Michael Hardner]

8 hours ago, H10 said:

If Bernie cannot make specific dollar guarantees to the African American community, you should expect to see a second Trump term.

So 1) Bernie Sanders will be nominated and 2) reparations to African Americans are going to be the central issue in the 2020 election ?  That's possibly the wildest prediction I have ever heard on here.

 

8 hours ago, H10 said:

This is the real bind for the democrats.

No it's not.  Those voters have no alternative other than not voting.

[eyeball]

14 hours ago, Cum Laude said:

Seems that Bernie...

Maybe Bernie got a visit. Or maybe Bernie got the memo....

Maybe Bernie....

Maybe you just heard something completely different and wrote it down.

Maybe a link to a source where we can confirm for ourselves that Bernie actually said all this stuff you've attributed to him would be helpful.

[Cum Laude]

8 hours ago, eyeball said:

Maybe you just heard something completely different and wrote it down.

Maybe a link to a source where we can confirm for ourselves that Bernie actually said all this stuff you've attributed to him would be helpful.

Maybe you need to do some research and lay of your CBC and CNN.

[kimmy]

On 11/11/2017 at 8:24 PM, Cum Laude said:

I just read an article about Dollar General. That retail chain is targeting thousands of American communities laid low by a generation of plant closures and offshoring. In the estimation of Dollar General execs, the lost jobs are never coming back, hence the opportunity and demand for Dollar General.

I don't think the people who run Dollar General are fools. It's clearly a very successful company. Their Canadian counterparts are also very successful. If you're suggesting that sometime soon the Rust Belt cities are going to be so full of well-off manufacturing jobs that dollar stores are going to go out of business, it looks like the Dollar General people are willing to bet that you're wrong.

On 11/11/2017 at 8:24 PM, Cum Laude said:

over yonder in Asia Trump just gave a talking-to about alleviating an insupportable and unsustainable American trade deficit

Of course Trump gave them a talking-to.  Trump does a lot of talking.

You think the trade deficit will disappear and the manufacturing jobs are going to come back because Trump went to Asia and shook his fist about the trade deficit?

Here's a secret: manufacturing jobs have been returning to the US, for several years. But they're not the same jobs, and they're not in the same places. Many of them are in electronics assembly.  The Rust Belt ironworks aren't going to return to what they used to be, ever.

And the manufacturing jobs returning to the US aren't the high-paying manufacturing jobs of yesteryear either.  These aren't well-paying full-time jobs with benefits where a guy can support his whole family with his wife staying home to raise the kids, the way people reminisce about.  The new manufacturing jobs are low paying, low skill, often shift-work, often not full-time, usually with not much in the way of benefits. Most of them aren't earning much more than the people stocking the shelves at the Dollar General. The people landing these new manufacturing jobs are going to keep shopping at the Dollar General because it's the only way they can afford to keep off-brand Spork on the table. If these jobs can't be done cheaply in America, then they'll be done elsewhere.  The era of paying low-skill employees middle-class wages is gone forever.  That Rust Belt guy living on medical disability until his high-paying job operating the rivet machine at the factory waiting for his job to return is going to have to keep waiting, regardless of what President Trump said on the campaign trail or on his Asian tour.

 -k

[Cum Laude]

21 hours ago, kimmy said:

I don't think the people who run Dollar General are fools. It's clearly a very successful company. Their Canadian counterparts are also very successful. If you're suggesting that sometime soon the Rust Belt cities are going to be so full of well-off manufacturing jobs that dollar stores are going to go out of business, it looks like the Dollar General people are willing to bet that you're wrong.

Of course Trump gave them a talking-to.  Trump does a lot of talking.

You think the trade deficit will disappear and the manufacturing jobs are going to come back because Trump went to Asia and shook his fist about the trade deficit?

Here's a secret: manufacturing jobs have been returning to the US, for several years. But they're not the same jobs, and they're not in the same places. Many of them are in electronics assembly.  The Rust Belt ironworks aren't going to return to what they used to be, ever.

And the manufacturing jobs returning to the US aren't the high-paying manufacturing jobs of yesteryear either.  These aren't well-paying full-time jobs with benefits where a guy can support his whole family with his wife staying home to raise the kids, the way people reminisce about.  The new manufacturing jobs are low paying, low skill, often shift-work, often not full-time, usually with not much in the way of benefits. Most of them aren't earning much more than the people stocking the shelves at the Dollar General. The people landing these new manufacturing jobs are going to keep shopping at the Dollar General because it's the only way they can afford to keep off-brand Spork on the table. If these jobs can't be done cheaply in America, then they'll be done elsewhere.  The era of paying low-skill employees middle-class wages is gone forever.  That Rust Belt guy living on medical disability until his high-paying job operating the rivet machine at the factory waiting for his job to return is going to have to keep waiting, regardless of what President Trump said on the campaign trail or on his Asian tour.

 -k

And, so, by 2020 the world’s financial system will be in ruins and the mideast will be in flames. What could be more promising for our quadrennial exercise in democracy – or whatever we call it by then?

 

-c.l.

[H10]

On 11/12/2017 at 11:19 AM, Michael Hardner said:

So 1) Bernie Sanders will be nominated and 2) reparations to African Americans are going to be the central issue in the 2020 election ?  That's possibly the wildest prediction I have ever heard on here.

 

No it's not.  Those voters have no alternative other than not voting.

Which is why the dems lost the 2016 election to Trump.  Even Trump admitted it.

"Donald Trump has thanked African-Americans for not voting in the US presidential election. The President-elect told a rally in Grand Rapids, Michigan, that black voters who stayed at home on Election Day were “almost as good” as those who voted for him.... And frankly if they had any doubt, they didn’t vote, and that was almost as good because a lot of people didn’t show up, because they felt good about me.”

 

The African American community is tired of democratic lies to the point they are ready to stay home again and let Trump have a 2nd term to punish them (democrats) for not coming through despite being the most loyal voting block the democrats have.  All these swing states like Michigan, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Wisconsin, Florida, North Carolina, Virginia, and Georgia, really just become Republican states once you remove the African American vote or reduce it.  Everyone knows it, and its why the Republicans have been trying to do backflips to find clever ways to eliminate their vote (ie mass incarceration and voter disenfranchisement rules and gerrymandering), the democrats have really just caught on that this can cause them to actually lose elections in democratic states.

They are fine with another Trump term, they will turnout in large numbers on local and state elections because they are realizing the national democratic party is either useless in helping them or unwilling, which is why not voting for them is a valid political strategy.  Why vote for aparty who doesn't represent your interest, better to focus on local politics.

 

Further, many African Americans are unhappy with the fact that American Indians groups get reparations yearly from the federal government who disregards and ignores the Freedman Indian Treaty for them and their 14th amendment rights, that the Japanese, Chinese and Jews got reparations (jews as recently under Obama's term).  But here you have a radical socialist who is telling you how he marched with Dr. King and believes in his ideals while opposing the reparations stance which Dr. King was murdered for while going on the poor people's campaign.  He is going to push through all his radical plans against rich people who he claims control the entire country but reparations are "unfeasible".  Trump will win a 2nd term if Sanders doesn't pull through on this issue.

 

Also Sanders will win the nomination because he has been going around campaigning for and with local democrats all over the place.  It would be virtually impossible for a new challenger to beat Sanders at this point, because they'd lack the name recoginition and the democratic party hasn't changed the rules from tilting towards the incumbent (who they thought would be Clinton).  The only possible way he loses is if he gets sick, dies, or if Clinton who has rigged the democratic party  with her loyalist runs against him.  And she barely won the last time too, and no one knew who Sanders was.

 

Democrats cannot win by running against Trump, any more than Republican could win by running against Bill Clinton, both men were morally depraved, liars, racist and sexist but it was not enough to point out their shortcomings to beat them. Democrats can only win by standing for something, not against someone.