Netanyahu: Outraged by Expressions of Racism

[kactus]

2 hours ago, Rue said:

Lol. Hang on. I know its a little bit too fast for you. No problem. Let me explain. Get your translator out. you stated Arabs were being mistreated by you know who the HEBREWS. So I responded: "Lol the ones (Joo, Arabs)  you told Argus  look different. "

Then I said , "You sure they were not mistaking "Arabs" for "Jooooooz"?  I refer to you as THEY because you refer to yourself many times in posts as we and you know, call me silly I could swear your English suddenly has mysteriously gotten worse in your posts-lol-thanks for that though,it helps me understand when you use the word "we" to refer to yourself, you don't mean you are ghost. Lol. Yes I was confused for a second what with the timing of your responses and the exact same sentences until suddenly you lost your command of written English in the last three posts or so. Lol.

Still to difficult to follow.

Speak English you say? Sure I can help you.

Lets start with this sentence by you :

"What I sm saying is this: Israel pretends to act be like a civilised civilized  country but in reality some of their policies vis a vis pPalestinians like its policy on illegal settlements is barbaric. The state of Israel is like what South Africa used to be, segregating people in ghettos...Israel is not a democracy by definition but a quasi secretive military complex.... "

1. When writing English and using correct grammar don't use ......., use one dot for a period.

2. There iis no such word as "quasi secretive". If you use "quasi" before a word you then must use a hyphen which looks like this -, however secretive is like the word pregnant. You either are or are not secretive. Being a little but secretive is impossible. What you could be is periodically secretive or at times secretive.

3. Please watch your spelling mistakes people have scolded me to for that.

4 .In the state of Israel there are no laws like there were in South Africa that segregate people based on skin colour or any other criteria.

5. The fact Israel has a military does not mean it is a democracy. That is nonsensical keeping in mind you do live in a fantasy world where you deny and ignore things such as Israel's Knesset which elects through open free elections MUSLIM Israelis to be members of the Knesset including Muslim Israelis who stand up in the Knesset demanding it disband itself.

If you need any further  English assistance go to ESL or just have Ghost write your responses. Hah. I am funny.

 

 

Listen Mr Genius....Someone has to knock off that smug look on your face and I guess that will have to be me....

Your selective hearing doesn't let you understand the other points of view and you keep repeating yourself like a typical zionist thug. I repeat zionist thugs who have the tendency to come on these forums and ridicule others that oppose them. Well congratulations for lumping all arabs as a bunch of herds because they have dislike for jews. It's not as if you have any love for muslims and arabs. So instead of preaching how I should speak focus on your own act and tantrums that you are well known for. Now go and throw yourself a party for making such silly accusations. I have no respect for zionist thugs like you who insult others and spew hatred towards another religion. It is exactly this kind of behaviour that doesn't buy you any sympathy and what you stand for from those who know exactly what you are up to.

Now....before you go on with your anti semitic rants look at yourself in the mirror and how many people you have offended with your bigotted, racist remarks....

Edited September 19, 2017 by kactus

[marcus]

16 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

No...we will not separate Canada's foreign policy crimes for another thread.  

We will not ignore Canada's existing policies when discussing Israel and Palestine.

We will not ignore the Canadian government's explicit rejection of the BDS movement.

Proof for all of the above is easily found by anyone not running from Canada's past and present.

Example:   

Canada’s prisons are the ‘new residential schools’

Instead of responding to HJ, you are trying veer off and are going off on a tangent. Your comparisons are terrible.

Why don't you respond to this that was given to you:

Posted 17 hours ago

  17 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

More recent than what ?

• continued occupation of "aboriginal" land   (as in TODAY)

Really? Do we have non-native settlements? Do we have check points for natives only?
There is no parallel there. Try again. 

  7 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

• continued murder and incarceration of native people at alarming rates

That's quite the reach. This is your comparison? Sorry. You failed in showing any parallel.

  7 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

• continued pollution of native land and water

The pollution is on all lands and water. It's not strictly against natives. No parallel there. 

  7 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

• continued theft of natural resources for "The Crown"

Show me proof.

[bush_cheney2004]

55 minutes ago, marcus said:

Instead of responding to HJ, you are trying veer off and are going off on a tangent. Your comparisons are terrible.

Why don't you respond to this that was given to you:

 

I have responded...with proof.

The most significant proof related to Israeli occupied territory is the continued occupation of "aboriginal" land by the "The Crown", which does so with unabashed imperialism to this day, and long before the State of Israel ever existed.    Unlike Palestinians, First Nations have no legal option for sovereignty or self determination in Canada.  The "Crown" has deemed them "aboriginals" forever.

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Look, I get it, you don't like my comparison and stinging reality, because it turns your pointing finger right back at Canada.    It is a very uncomfortable truth for those who claim the moral high ground to relentlessly attack Israel and Israel policies while their own nation continues "human rights" violations at home and abroad.

Who cares if Canada (or the U.S.) has done and continues to do these things after subjugation of native people and stealing land long ago, and continuing to occupy the land today, stealing resources, and even denying bands potable water, right ?    It's no big deal because Canada's sovereign conquest is complete and will not be challenged by suicide bombings, rocket attacks,  kidnappings, murders, etc.

Far easier to look away and condemn Jews far across the ocean, right ?

[marcus]

10 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

I have responded...with proof.

The most significant proof related to Israeli occupied territory is the continued occupation of "aboriginal" land by the "The Crown", which does so with unabashed imperialism to this day, and long before the State of Israel ever existed.    Unlike Palestinians, First Nations have no legal option for sovereignty or self determination in Canada.  The "Crown" has deemed them "aboriginals" forever.

No you did not.

I don't like comparisons when they don't compare.

The question here is:

How are the indigenous in Canada being treated by the Canadian government as compared to the Palestinians by the Israeli government:

You want to tell us that it's all the same, because the Europeans colonized Canada, just like Europeans colonized Palestine. We also have land disputes here in Canada, which in some ways can be compared to the situation in Israel. However, the comparison, pretty much stops there. 

How Israel treats Palestinians is nothing compared to how Canada treats the indigenous. We don't have policies that:

- Strict land use to the non-indigenous and block them out of using this land
- We have not developed cantons which are separated by white only roads
- We don't take kids and throw them in prisons without access to lawyers
- We don't throw people in prison for posting on facebook
- We don't outlaw protests against the occupation
- We don't wake the indigenous in the early mornings and then throw them in prisons indefinitely, without access to lawyers
- We don't bomb the indigenous, killing and maiming them
- We don't have militias groups, attacking indigenous homes, kicking them out and taking over their homes
- We don't purposely turn off water and electricity as punishment, while non-indigenous, white only neighbouring settlements receive the resources

Please get real.

If you want to sit there and compare, may I suggest that you look at Apartheid South Africa and the treatment of the blacks. There, you might find a real parallel.

I'm also certain that the end result will be similar. Despite the panicked resistance we're seeing from the Zionists and those who they have influence over, the BDS movement will continue to gain strength and that will result in the unjust treatment of the Palestinians that have been happening for the past 7 decades.

[bush_cheney2004]

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Please get real.

 

Real like this in Canada:

• forced sterilizations for First Nations women....TODAY
• disproportionate incarcerations for "aboriginals"....TODAY
• occupied land and broken treaties...TODAY
• polluted land and water....TODAY
• lack of potable water....TODAY
• stolen resources....TODAY
• prohibited sovereignty and self determination...TODAY

 

26 minutes ago, marcus said:

If you want to sit there and compare, may I suggest that you look at Apartheid South Africa and the treatment of the blacks. There, you might find a real parallel.

 

 

I have already reminded you that South Africa imported its segregated reserve system from Canada, as it was already royally approved by God and King.

 

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I'm also certain that the end result will be similar. Despite the panicked resistance we're seeing from the Zionists and those who they have influence over, the BDS movement will continue to gain strength and that will result in the unjust treatment of the Palestinians that have been happening for the past 7 decades.

 

Accordingly, Canada's imperialist legacy government denounced the BDS movement for obvious "aboriginal" reasons.

 

Your denials and excuses cannot change Canada's past or present, or negate a geography lesson in the size of occupied Israel compared to occupied Canada.

 

Edited September 20, 2017 by bush_cheney2004

[marcus]

2 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Real like this in Canada:

Trying to weasel yourself out of responding to the list given to you and making a half-truth list for yourself, as if it responds to it, doesn't change the fact that the parallel is not there.

I have yet to see anyone make the claim that the indigenous in Canada are treated as well as they should. However, the very big difference here is that the indigenous are not treated anywhere as inhumanely and unjustly as the Palestinians are by Israel. None of what you have listed comes anywhere close to the list you are avoiding to respond to. Not only that but Canada has been taking steps in improving its approach to an issue that it has turned a blind eye to for a long time. Canada, at least in words has given honour to its indigenous population in the recent decades and we are now finally seeing actual steps taken to show this. This is of course much different than what Israel has done to the Palestinians.

[bush_cheney2004]

23 minutes ago, marcus said:

Trying to weasel yourself out of responding to the list given to you and making a half-truth list for yourself, as if it responds to it, doesn't change the fact that the parallel is not there.

 

I am not "weaseling" out of anything, as it is not necessary to match Israel on every point to demonstrate Canada's past and PRESENT domination, subjugation, land theft, occupation, incarceration, and expropriation of resources by The Crown.  Furthermore, the Canadian government has used military power to attack other nations without facing existential threats, unlike Israel.  

 

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I have yet to see anyone make the claim that the indigenous in Canada are treated as well as they should. However, the very big difference here is that the indigenous are not treated anywhere as inhumanely and unjustly as the Palestinians are by Israel. None of what you have listed comes anywhere close to the list you are avoiding to respond to. Not only that but Canada has been taking steps in improving its approach to an issue that it has turned a blind eye to for a long time. Canada, at least in words has given honour to its indigenous population in the recent decades and we are now finally seeing actual steps taken to show this. This is of course much different than what Israel has done to the Palestinians.

 

Now isn't that wonderful, after 150 years of past and present consolidation of land theft and "genocide", imperialist Canada has offered up apologies for its sins against native people, but numerous land claims remain unresolved, murdered and injured parties only received a fraction of what was paid to a convicted war criminal, sterilizations continue, lack of clean water continues, lack of self determination continues, murders and incarcerations continue, etc. etc.

Israel vacated Gaza....when will Canada vacate unceded British Columbia ?

Answer:  NEVER !

 

Edited September 20, 2017 by bush_cheney2004

[marcus]

3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

I am not "weaseling" out of anything, as it is not necessary to match Israel on every point

It is necessary. This is yet another attempt to minimize Israel's huge crimes against the Palestinians. If you are going to compare and try to draw parallel, you need to acknowledge and show how there is a comparison of the treatment, especially when the treatment includes killing thousands of innocent people who oppose the brutal occupation, the destroying of homes, decades long martial law, control of movement of people, including decades long checkpoints and hundreds of violation of human rights. You just can't because they are two different situations. You have yet been able to show any real parallel between the two.

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, marcus said:

It is necessary. This is yet another attempt to minimize Israel's huge crimes against the Palestinians. If you are going to compare and try to draw parallel, you need to acknowledge and show how there is a comparison of the treatment, especially when the treatment includes killing thousands of innocent people who oppose the brutal occupation, the destroying of homes, decades long martial law, control of movement of people, including decades long checkpoints and hundreds of violation of human rights. You just can't because they are two different situations. You have yet been able to show any real parallel between the two.

 

How many thousands of "aboriginals" were killed in Canada's forced residential schools ?

How many were forcefully relocated from their land to other "reserves" for Crown priorities ?

How many die from inhumane conditions each year ?

It isn't even necessary to defend Canada's past and present "genocide", but you do so as a lesser crime just to mount more criticism of Israel.

Why can't Israel just continue as Canada has done for 150 years and "apologize" later ?  Seems to be a winning formula for The Crown.

[kactus]

3 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

I am not "weaseling" out of anything,...

 

Furthermore, the Canadian government has used military power to attack other nations without facing existential threats, unlike Israel.  

Looks like your beloved 'Israel' that you talk so highly of and draw parallel with other countries is not exactly free from crimes against other countries...Maybe rue et al and Cohen & Co can join in and sing along Kumbaya for victim Israel and place the blame on palestinians, arabs, iranians, turks and virtually the entire world....

There is no moral justification to exonerate Israel of its crimes against palestinians when it is compared to Canada...Israel comes nowhere near Canada interms of humanity. Maybe close to the current US admin but not Canada.

 

 

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ohJkDgAAQBAJ&pg=PT104&lpg=PT104&dq=israel's+collaboration+of+crime+against+other+nations&source=bl&ots=ErhTPgob_7&sig=KyRXQtGgmdINvaScQogvFps8T9c&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjY0dHG2LPWAhVqI8AKHaZeAMMQ6AEIXDAJ#v=onepage&q=israel's collaboration of crime against other nations&f=false

 

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013/01/201311216555732158.html

 

https://972mag.com/investigate-israeli-complicity-with-pinochets-crimes/125566/

 

 

 

Edited September 20, 2017 by kactus

[Rue]

21 hours ago, kactus said:

Listen Mr Genius....Someone has to knock off that smug look on your face and I guess that will have to be me....

Your selective hearing doesn't let you understand the other points of view and you keep repeating yourself like a typical zionist thug. I repeat zionist thugs who have the tendency to come on these forums and ridicule others that oppose them. Well congratulations for lumping all arabs as a bunch of herds because they have dislike for jews. It's not as if you have any love for muslims and arabs. So instead of preaching how I should speak focus on your own act and tantrums that you are well known for. Now go and throw yourself a party for making such silly accusations. I have no respect for zionist thugs like you who insult others and spew hatred towards another religion. It is exactly this kind of behaviour that doesn't buy you any sympathy and what you stand for from those who know exactly what you are up to.

Now....before you go on with your anti semitic rants look at yourself in the mirror and how many people you have offended with your bigotted, racist remarks....

Lol. Let me no. it for you.

1. The fact I have consistently argued on this thread that Jews and Arabs do not look physically different does not make me a racist. In fact that is illogical. Racism is the exercise of defining people based on the belief that people can be defined based on secondary physical characteristics which is exactly what you do when you argue Arabs, Kurds, Jews, Azari, look different.

2. The fact I argue that using secondary physical characteristics to differentiate Arabs from Jews as you do makes you racist, does not mean I have herded Arabs in one category. I have in fact stated repeatedly to you Arabs like Jews can look pretty much like anyone on this planet as we are a complete mix of all secondary physical characteristlcs.

3. Your attempt to accuse me of racism against Arabs or lumping them all in one negative category as you do with Jews is a premeditated and blatant lie. You make the allegation knowing you can't provide one post from me that shows this and that I have argued the exact opposite. Its  become so absurd that you come on this thread and engage in the very herding you accuse me of repeatedly by engaging in references such as:

a-"THE Jews";

b-"typical Zionist thugs".

But you didn't stop there. You then decided while you would go in the Islamaphobia thread complaining about discrimination against Muslims, you could come on this thread at the same time hoping no one would notice and slurring everyone who lives in Saudi Arabia and openly stating your hatred for them to.

4. When asked to describe the physical differences between Arabs and Jews, you produced essays showing my contention was in fact correct, that any genetic differences would be invisible to the eye-then you tried to twist those articles to say we Jews and Arabs look different. Your responses are on this thread for anyone to thead. When I again asked to explain those differences you ran from me and refused to answer knowing any answer would incriminate you with racist descriptions of these supposed physical differences.

5. Your attempt to call me or Argus racist was a pathetic and failed deflection of your own racist agenda to argue we Jews, Arabs, Kurds all look different  so yopu can try incite hatred against Arabs and Jews, Muslims and Jews, Israelis and Palestinians.

6. You again prove in your response above with the use of the term "typical Zionist thugs" you smeer and hate anyone who believes Israel has the right to be a Jewish state. This again evidences you are an insincere, manipulative liar on this forum. You came on this forum saying you recognize the state of Israel. I said you deliberately omitted the word "Jewish" state of Israel because the only Israel you acknowledge is a sharia law Israel. You deny this but repeatedly to me and others refuse to come on this board and state you recognize a Jewish state of Israel.  You have fooled no one running and hiding from th at clarification because it can be repeatedly seen when you use references like "typical Zionist thug" your agenda is to deny Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state and demonize anyone who believe Jews have the right to a Jewish state.

7. Now you come repeat in the above response again a false allegation as to my bigotry which you can not show in my words on this forum but I have shown in your words on this forum such as your use of the references, "typical Zionist thug" or my favourite the response before this one to me where you launched into a tirade about  "THE Jews".

Bottom line? You demonstrate in the above response the very things you claim I am doing on this forum. More to the point, calling me derogatory names is hilarious. I love it. "Typical Zionist thug." I love it thank you. Hey when you have the integrity and honesty and grow some balls, nothing is stopping you from coming on this board and stating you do not believe in a Jewish state of Israel. You fool no one. The personal attacks on me to try deflect from your hatred of we Jews is funny.

You don't have the balls to finish your allegations and explain how we look physically differen from an d, hate Palestinians,Arabs, and Muslims. You just throw out the allegations with zero proof. Zero,

What is it like to be such a phony you go on the Islamophobia thread protesting bigotry against Muslims while smeering  the entire Saudi Arabian nation not just Jews and Zionists on this thread?

Must be something and you call me smug? Lol.

[DogOnPorch]

3 hours ago, marcus said:

It is necessary. This is yet another attempt to minimize Israel's huge crimes against the Palestinians. If you are going to compare and try to draw parallel, you need to acknowledge and show how there is a comparison of the treatment, especially when the treatment includes killing thousands of innocent people who oppose the brutal occupation, the destroying of homes, decades long martial law, control of movement of people, including decades long checkpoints and hundreds of violation of human rights. You just can't because they are two different situations. You have yet been able to show any real parallel between the two.

 

Your 'Palestinians' started a war and lost. Much, much worse happened to Germany for starting a war.

Edited September 20, 2017 by DogOnPorch

[kactus]

25 minutes ago, Rue said:

Lol. Let me no. it for you.

1. The fact I have consistently argued on this thread that Jews and Arabs do not look physically different does not make me a racist. In fact that is illogical. Racism is the exercise of defining people based on the belief that people can be defined based on secondary physical characteristics which is exactly what you do when you argue Arabs, Kurds, Jews, Azari, look different.

2. The fact I argue that using secondary physical characteristics to differentiate Arabs from Jews as you do makes you racist, does not mean I have herded Arabs in one category. I have in fact stated repeatedly to you Arabs like Jews can look pretty much like anyone on this planet as we are a complete mix of all secondary physical characteristlcs.

3. Your attempt to accuse me of racism against Arabs or lumping them all in one negative category as you do with Jews is a premeditated and blatant lie. You make the allegation knowing you can't provide one post from me that shows this and that I have argued the exact opposite. Its  become so absurd that you come on this thread and engage in the very herding you accuse me of repeatedly by engaging in references such as:

a-"THE Jews";

b-"typical Zionist thugs".

But you didn't stop there. You then decided while you would go in the Islamaphobia thread complaining about discrimination against Muslims, you could come on this thread at the same time hoping no one would notice and slurring everyone who lives in Saudi Arabia and openly stating your hatred for them to.

4. When asked to describe the physical differences between Arabs and Jews, you produced essays showing my contention was in fact correct, that any genetic differences would be invisible to the eye-then you tried to twist those articles to say we Jews and Arabs look different. Your responses are on this thread for anyone to thead. When I again asked to explain those differences you ran from me and refused to answer knowing any answer would incriminate you with racist descriptions of these supposed physical differences.

5. Your attempt to call me or Argus racist was a pathetic and failed deflection of your own racist agenda to argue we Jews, Arabs, Kurds all look different  so yopu can try incite hatred against Arabs and Jews, Muslims and Jews, Israelis and Palestinians.

6. You again prove in your response above with the use of the term "typical Zionist thugs" you smeer and hate anyone who believes Israel has the right to be a Jewish state. This again evidences you are an insincere, manipulative liar on this forum. You came on this forum saying you recognize the state of Israel. I said you deliberately omitted the word "Jewish" state of Israel because the only Israel you acknowledge is a sharia law Israel. You deny this but repeatedly to me and others refuse to come on this board and state you recognize a Jewish state of Israel.  You have fooled no one running and hiding from th at clarification because it can be repeatedly seen when you use references like "typical Zionist thug" your agenda is to deny Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state and demonize anyone who believe Jews have the right to a Jewish state.

7. Now you come repeat in the above response again a false allegation as to my bigotry which you can not show in my words on this forum but I have shown in your words on this forum such as your use of the references, "typical Zionist thug" or my favourite the response before this one to me where you launched into a tirade about  "THE Jews".

Bottom line? You demonstrate in the above response the very things you claim I am doing on this forum. More to the point, calling me derogatory names is hilarious. I love it. "Typical Zionist thug." I love it thank you. Hey when you have the integrity and honesty and grow some balls, nothing is stopping you from coming on this board and stating you do not believe in a Jewish state of Israel. You fool no one. The personal attacks on me to try deflect from your hatred of we Jews is funny.

You don't have the balls to finish your allegations and explain how we look physically differen from an d, hate Palestinians,Arabs, and Muslims. You just throw out the allegations with zero proof. Zero,

What is it like to be such a phony you go on the Islamophobia thread protesting bigotry against Muslims while smeering  the entire Saudi Arabian nation not just Jews and Zionists on this thread?

Must be something and you call me smug? Lol.

Smug you are sir...Don't even doubt it.

You will be provided with the 'appropriate' response in the right time. 

[DogOnPorch]

3 minutes ago, kactus said:

Smug you are sir...Don't even doubt it.

You will be provided with the 'appropriate' response in the right time. 

 

In a paragraph, describe why anybody should support the Palestinian Cause started by Haj Amin al-Husseini.

 

Edited September 20, 2017 by DogOnPorch

[Rue]

1 hour ago, kactus said:

Looks like your beloved 'Israel' that you talk so highly of and draw parallel with other countries is not exactly free from crimes against other countries...Maybe rue et al and Cohen & Co can join in and sing along Kumbaya for victim Israel and place the blame on palestinians, arabs, iranians, turks and virtually the entire world....

There is no moral justification to exonerate Israel of its crimes against palestinians when it is compared to Canada...Israel comes nowhere near Canada interms of humanity. Maybe close to the current US admin but not Canada.

 

 

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ohJkDgAAQBAJ&pg=PT104&lpg=PT104&dq=israel's+collaboration+of+crime+against+other+nations&source=bl&ots=ErhTPgob_7&sig=KyRXQtGgmdINvaScQogvFps8T9c&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjY0dHG2LPWAhVqI8AKHaZeAMMQ6AEIXDAJ#v=onepage&q=israel's collaboration of crime against other nations&f=false

 

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013/01/201311216555732158.html

 

https://972mag.com/investigate-israeli-complicity-with-pinochets-crimes/125566/

 

 

 

Now to start with it wasn't too long ago you sent me a response that stated:

"Read the title of the OP against it's a racism in Israel towards North African immigrant" and ""Again you are deflecting....Read the tile of the OP".

You now come on this thread responding with something that has NOTHING to do with the OP title and to try suggest Israel engages in crimes against other countries which shows not only do you deflect from the op, as I stated, but your agenda is to demonize the entire state of Israel for existing as a Jewish state by trying to suggest its a "criminall".

In fact the third item you listed proves NOT A DAMN THING. What it does refer to is the fact that at one point Israel provided military weapons to the Pinochet regime. Israel has sold military hardware to China, South Africa, Chile, numerous other countries, some like Chile with horrible internal human rights records.

I have openly challenged Israel for selling military hardware to certain regimes including Chile and do it hear and now. However what does it have to do with this thread and what does it prove? China, Russia, the US, Britain, France, Belgium, Germany, Brazil, Holland, Sweden to name but a few countries have all sold military equipment to questionable regimes. Iran and Saudi Arabia finance military supplies and wars not only to questionable regimes but terrorist groups dedicated to destroying Israel and the West and Muslims?

So? How does singling Israel out and not all the rest of the world contribute to any meaningful discussion? How does singling Israel out do anything  othere than engage in an exercise to demonizing Israel?.

The rationalization for this phony standard of singling out Israel for a practice unfortunately so many countries engage was for Kactus et al to argue, yah well he can ignore the rest of the world because he believes Israel "pretends" to be civilized.

Well shit, last time I looked, has Iran, Saudi Arabia, China, the US, et al ever claimed to be uncivilized?

Of course the argument Kactus engaged in was illogical.

The fact is we have a phenomena in the world called hegemony where numerous nations of which Israel is only one, all compete with one another to safeguard each country's best interests by forming alliances, and sometimes these alliances are with countries that have and human rights records. Its the reality of the world we live in and to address that topic rationally and not as a transparent exercise to incite hatred of but one country in a world where its common practice, we need to challenge all countries not just Israel and the UN and humanity for failing to evolve past the point where we are at now where the no. 1 economic activity of all European nations, Canadsa, the US, Brazil, Iran, Saudi Arabia, China and Russia is the development and sale of military hardware.  The irony is the 5 permanent members of the UN Security Council are there because they have declared nuclear weapons and all of them are dependent as their no.1 activity on military sales.

President Eisenhower warned in his last speech of the dangers of becoming dependent on the military industrial complex. No one listened. For m4e as a Zionist I am saddened that Israel founded on the principle of cooperative farms has evolved into an economy so dependent on developing military hardware. It is also responsible for cutting edge technology in medicine and other areas that benefit humanity. Israel like other countries engaged in military development, also uses technology learned or transferred from its military research to assist humanity in medicine and other ways so its not all evil but its a reality.

Using it on this forum to deflect from the epic failure of this thread to establish Israelis as racist or the state of Israel as racist is evident.

Even if Israel was engaging in crimes, you will note Kactus just throws out the criminal accusation but in no way shows how its related to a racist belief unless of course you automatically infer Israel is Jewish and that is racist and so when it does crimes, that makes the two interconnected.

Its a lazy, illogical, smeer. Throw out a negative allegation and hope it sticks.

Then Kactus further shows the agenda behind his demonization of Israel with the term, "Maybe rue et al and Cohen and Cohen can sing...."

In that comment, Kactus shows again this is about using a thread supposedly to call Netanyahu a racist, an opportunity to engage in anti semitic taunts.

What does Cohen and Cohen have anything to do with the topic, other than Kactus feels the need to bait me personally with an insult about all Jews.

I have said it time and time again and produced the words when Kactus, Altai, Ghost et al throw in their passive aggressive slurs showing this is not about a discussion about Netanyahu, this thread is a pretext to deny the right of Israel to exist as a Jewish state. Its about JEWS and how dare they not know their place and thus the Cohen and Cohen comments or the insipid comments about Khafir or giggling at Jews by Altai, or pretending to be a patient Jew, as Ghost did, or suggesting as Eye did that had Jews after the holocaust been kept in Europe, there would have been no problem. This is what this thread is about and using Kactus's phrase, no amount of deflection from the actual op and demonization about Israel gives him the moral justification to engage in his double standards and bigotry about Jews.

 

 

 

 

 

[Rue]

1 hour ago, kactus said:

Smug you are sir...Don't even doubt it.

You will be provided with the 'appropriate' response in the right time. 

Do yourself a favour and put me on hold. What I do not doubt from reading the continuing comments from you is your anti semitic agenda

and in fact  inability to deflect from your pathetic agenda.

 

Smug? Lol, you come on this forum now telling me not to deflect from the OP title and engage in that pathetic crack about Cohen and Cohen or

the pathetic attempt to demonize Israel as criminal?

 

Lol. Not smug. Its called holding you in contempt-considering what you have to share on this forum transparent, hateful excrement.

 

You do not speak for Palestinians or Arabs in your hatred of Jews. That is smugness. Your calling Kurds Iranians, that is smugness.

 

Your attempt to rationalize your bigotry and double standards against Jews for being a nation, that's smug.

 

Or more accurately, simple, blind, dogma you chant.

 

Like I said you really want to put me on hold. The more you write the more I will feed back your latest anti semitic comments and explain why you are a bigot.

 

By the way the insertion of grammar mistakes, pathetic. Peekaboo I see you. The smell is identical,

 

Some need tell Hamesh

maybe its time to go back to Bangla Desh

and help the Muslims from Burma

or maybe help the victims of Hurricane Irma

or better still

stay in Mama's basement and just chill

this obsession with  dah JOOOOOOOOO

exposes he aint got no clue

that if he insists on having the last word

aint no Jooooooo or Kurd

gonna be put in their place

by Kactus and his race

with their distinct looks

that he still can't find in the books

 

 

 

 

 

[DogOnPorch]

The Palestinian Cause was started by a Nazi...so I can see the attraction it has to some folks who hate Jews.

[kactus]

17 minutes ago, Rue said:

Now to start with it wasn't too long ago you sent me a response that stated:

"Read the title of the OP against it's a racism in Israel towards North African immigrant" and ""Again you are deflecting....Read the tile of the OP".

You now come on this thread responding with something that has NOTHING to do with the OP title and to try suggest Israel engages in crimes against other countries which shows not only do you deflect from the op, as I stated, but your agenda is to demonize the entire state of Israel for existing as a Jewish state by trying to suggest its a "criminall".

In fact the third item you listed proves NOT A DAMN THING. What it does refer to is the fact that at one point Israel provided military weapons to the Pinochet regime. Israel has sold military hardware to China, South Africa, Chile, numerous other countries, some like Chile with horrible internal human rights records.

I have openly challenged Israel for selling military hardware to certain regimes including Chile and do it hear and now. However what does it have to do with this thread and what does it prove? China, Russia, the US, Britain, France, Belgium, Germany, Brazil, Holland, Sweden to name but a few countries have all sold military equipment to questionable regimes. Iran and Saudi Arabia finance military supplies and wars not only to questionable regimes but terrorist groups dedicated to destroying Israel and the West and Muslims?

So? How does singling Israel out and not all the rest of the world contribute to any meaningful discussion? How does singling Israel out do anything  othere than engage in an exercise to demonizing Israel?.

The rationalization for this phony standard of singling out Israel for a practice unfortunately so many countries engage was for Kactus et al to argue, yah well he can ignore the rest of the world because he believes Israel "pretends" to be civilized.

Well shit, last time I looked, has Iran, Saudi Arabia, China, the US, et al ever claimed to be uncivilized?

Of course the argument Kactus engaged in was illogical.

The fact is we have a phenomena in the world called hegemony where numerous nations of which Israel is only one, all compete with one another to safeguard each country's best interests by forming alliances, and sometimes these alliances are with countries that have and human rights records. Its the reality of the world we live in and to address that topic rationally and not as a transparent exercise to incite hatred of but one country in a world where its common practice, we need to challenge all countries not just Israel and the UN and humanity for failing to evolve past the point where we are at now where the no. 1 economic activity of all European nations, Canadsa, the US, Brazil, Iran, Saudi Arabia, China and Russia is the development and sale of military hardware.  The irony is the 5 permanent members of the UN Security Council are there because they have declared nuclear weapons and all of them are dependent as their no.1 activity on military sales.

President Eisenhower warned in his last speech of the dangers of becoming dependent on the military industrial complex. No one listened. For m4e as a Zionist I am saddened that Israel founded on the principle of cooperative farms has evolved into an economy so dependent on developing military hardware. It is also responsible for cutting edge technology in medicine and other areas that benefit humanity. Israel like other countries engaged in military development, also uses technology learned or transferred from its military research to assist humanity in medicine and other ways so its not all evil but its a reality.

Using it on this forum to deflect from the epic failure of this thread to establish Israelis as racist or the state of Israel as racist is evident.

Even if Israel was engaging in crimes, you will note Kactus just throws out the criminal accusation but in no way shows how its related to a racist belief unless of course you automatically infer Israel is Jewish and that is racist and so when it does crimes, that makes the two interconnected.

Its a lazy, illogical, smeer. Throw out a negative allegation and hope it sticks.

Then Kactus further shows the agenda behind his demonization of Israel with the term, "Maybe rue et al and Cohen and Cohen can sing...."

In that comment, Kactus shows again this is about using a thread supposedly to call Netanyahu a racist, an opportunity to engage in anti semitic taunts.

What does Cohen and Cohen have anything to do with the topic, other than Kactus feels the need to bait me personally with an insult about all Jews.

I have said it time and time again and produced the words when Kactus, Altai, Ghost et al throw in their passive aggressive slurs showing this is not about a discussion about Netanyahu, this thread is a pretext to deny the right of Israel to exist as a Jewish state. Its about JEWS and how dare they not know their place and thus the Cohen and Cohen comments or the insipid comments about Khafir or giggling at Jews by Altai, or pretending to be a patient Jew, as Ghost did, or suggesting as Eye did that had Jews after the holocaust been kept in Europe, there would have been no problem. This is what this thread is about and using Kactus's phrase, no amount of deflection from the actual op and demonization about Israel gives him the moral justification to engage in his double standards and bigotry about Jews.

 

 

 

 

 

My response was to bush cheyney not you but you decided to butt in as usual as if you and BC are the same people...

You have too much time in your hands to write essays that are not easy to read as they don't makes sense or change the wordings or write pathetic rap songs...Good luck with that. I don't have that time. However, do not be under any illusions. You are on my radar and I will provide you with a response logically and succinctly.

Edited September 20, 2017 by kactus

[DogOnPorch]

1 minute ago, kactus said:

My response was to bush cheyney not you but you decided to butt in as usual as if you and BC are the same people...

You have too much time in your hands to write essays that are not easy to read as they don't makes sense or change the wordings or write pathetic rap songs...Good luck with that. I don't have that time. However, do not be under any illusions. You are under my radar and I will provide you with a response logically and succinctly.

 

So any thoughts as to why folks should support a movement started by a Nazi on the run from the hangman?

[DogOnPorch]

Did the Mufti al-Husseini save a bunch of Jewish children from the gas chambers or something similar? You know...an Arab Oskar Schindler.

What's the attraction...?

[Rue]

2 hours ago, kactus said:

My response was to bush cheyney not you but you decided to butt in as usual as if you and BC are the same people...

 

No it was to me. The words I have bolded and you responded to were from me. So which one is it do you lie, or are you dim witted...because I am telling you Kactus your act on this thread is done. You are so quick to deny what you write at this point you either are dim witted or a pathological liar. I leave it to you to decide and do yourself a favour-don't respond further you are making a complete idiot of yourself with me and I am not interested in anything you have to say. I could not be more direct with you. You have nothing but deflections, out and out  lies and denials and anti semitic slurs to direct my way. Your need to put me in my place has become a joke. 'You and Ghost" really need to stop reading what I write. Like "you" said, its "too difficult" for you. Good God then go send correspondence to Altai. She will understand. Tee hee.

You then deflect again in the third sentence of paragraph two to avoid what you and Marcus and Ghost et al have stated on this thread by using the term "anyone with no bias towards middle east conflict can see what Israel is doing". We are not talking about anyone, we are talking about the words you used. When "anyone" does decide to place their words on this thread, then they may or may not be challenged. The manner in which you use the reference "anyone with no bias" is also ironic. In fact when read fully, the third sentence makes it clear, "anyone with no bias" in fact means, anyone who agrees with you and has your biases. This is a continuing problem of yours. You think you can state things using coded references that can be read in different ways so you can maintain your beliefs but have people believe they may mean something else. Its spent, its done, and its exposed. Your fourth sentence in paragraph two shows you take an accusation about Netanyahu being a "racist" and apply it to all Israelis. It also shows you fail to differentiate religious and ethnic  conflicts of many people not just Israelis and suggest they are all one and the same and only expressed by Jews o r for that matter non Jews who believe they have a right to live in a Jewish state. That device of smeering entire groups of people and misrepresenting conflicts speaks for itself-it speaks to your agenda to incite hatred against the state of Israel existing as a Jewish state, and any citizen of Israel or anyone who supports the Jewish state's right to exist as a Jewish state.

Read the title of the OP agains it's a racism in Israel towards North African immigrants. The very fact that you do not want to accept this shows you are a supporter of racism. I know you love that megalomaniac Bibi. Doesn't mean that whoever calls him a racist is anti semite as you suggested....

 

 

You have demonstrated you will turn a blind eye to the injustice by Muslims against other Muslims, by Muslims against non Muslims, by Arabs against their fellow Arabs, by Arabs against Palestinians.

Again you are deflecting....Read the title of the OP

[Rue]

I never said that I can assure

um I uh oh its just such a blur

your so difficult to  respond to

ooh I hate you, you bad Hebrew

you won't just go away and  let me rant

why do you pick on the kactus plant

now I'm calling you out as Cohen

no wait I gotta get goin

you better watch out I'm coming back soon

then I will tell you off you mean Zionist goon

I'm gonna round up my posse and were gonna aim and spit

and keep calling you a Zio shit

yah that's gonna prove how righteous I am

and you'll just blow up and go kablam

oooh how I hate you and your Zionist blog

and I also can't stand Zionist dog

he keeps reminding me of the Mullah

as if I am not a big enough fool ugh.

 

 

[marcus]

8 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

How many thousands of "aboriginals" were killed in Canada's forced residential schools ?

How many were forcefully relocated from their land to other "reserves" for Crown priorities ?

How many die from inhumane conditions each year ?

It isn't even necessary to defend Canada's past and present "genocide", but you do so as a lesser crime just to mount more criticism of Israel.

Why can't Israel just continue as Canada has done for 150 years and "apologize" later ?  Seems to be a winning formula for The Crown.

Those have stopped.

Canada has realized how wrong the treatments were. It is now looking within itself and accepting the mistakes. Again, this is why your argument falls apart when you try to draw a parallel. What Israel does today to the Palestinians would never be okay in Canada or any other Western country. 

Israel can't continue doing what it's doing because we have set a boundary and a line in what is acceptable and what is not through international law and agreements. You can't get a pass because someone did something awful to someone else in the past. That's a ridiculous argument.

If Israel stopped its inhumane treatment of Palestinians today and followed international law, and made real efforts to fix its inhumane treatment of the Palestinians, then you wouldn't be seeing posts from me.

[bush_cheney2004]

5 hours ago, kactus said:

....There is no moral justification to exonerate Israel of its crimes against palestinians when it is compared to Canada...Israel comes nowhere near Canada interms of humanity. Maybe close to the current US admin but not Canada.

 

There is no "moral" justification for 150 years of Canadian "genocide" against native people either, which is far longer than the State of Israel has even existed.

If the real issue is ultimately the occupation of land,  Canada is one of the world's least humane offenders.

[bush_cheney2004]

3 minutes ago, marcus said:

Those have stopped.

 

Have they ?   Isn't that nice....Canada had decades to destroy native families and consolidate land theft for The Crown.   

Israel doesn't have residential schools blessed by God, Queen, and government.

 

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Canada has realized how wrong the treatments were. It is now looking within itself and accepting the mistakes. Again, this is why your argument falls apart when you try to draw a parallel. What Israel does today to the Palestinians would never be okay in Canada or any other Western country.

 

So what ?   Canada has already conquered and subjugated its "PalestIndians".    When will the stolen land be returned ?

 

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Israel can't continue doing what it's doing because we have set a boundary and a line in what is acceptable and what is not through international law and agreements. You can't get a pass because someone did something awful to someone else in the past. That's a ridiculous argument.

 

Canada is still doing it...shall I repeat the list ?  

 

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If Israel stopped its inhumane treatment of Palestinians today and followed international law, and made real efforts to fix its inhumane treatment of the Palestinians, then you wouldn't be seeing posts from me.

 

I have never seen any posts from you about Canada's occupation and genocide.