Found guilty in decades-long B.C. polygamy case.

[CITIZEN_2015]

CRANBROOK, B.C. - Two former bishops of an isolated religious commune in British Columbia have been convicted of practicing polygamy after a decades-long legal fight launched by the provincial government.

The court found James Oler married five women in so-called “celestial” marriages involving residents in the tiny religious community of Bountiful.

B.C. Supreme Court Justice Sheri Ann Donegan ruled earlier today that Oler's co-defendant Winston Blackmore was also guilty of polygamy after the trial heard he married 24 additional women after marrying Jane Blackmore.

http://bc.ctvnews.ca/bishop-found-guilty-in-decades-long-b-c-polygamy-case-1.3516281

 

Edited July 24, 2017 by CITIZEN_2015

[dialamah]

Good

[Guest]

I don't think there was ever any doubt, was there?  Wasn't the point to challenge the law?

[CITIZEN_2015]

Hopefully it will be challenged in the Supreme Court of Canada.

I am not fond of polygamy but I believe government and law enforcement has no business in citizens' bedrooms. All marriages were consensual adult and sending to jail for consensual marriage or sex is against democratic values that I dear.

Edited July 24, 2017 by CITIZEN_2015

[Guest]

What would happen if three different genders wanted to get married?

[hot enough]

44 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Hopefully it will be challenged in the Supreme Court of Canada.

I am not fond of polygamy but I believe government and law enforcement has no business in citizens' bedrooms. All marriages were consensual adult and sending to jail for consensual marriage or sex is against democratic values that I dear.

It does have business in the illegal practice of polygamy and child sexual abuse. 

[CITIZEN_2015]

Child sex!!!!!!!!. The article said nothing about child sex abuse and nor did the CTV news report. Where does it say so? Child sex abuse deserves long term sentences. 

Edited July 24, 2017 by CITIZEN_2015

[hot enough]

30 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Child sex!!!!!!!!. The article said nothing about child sex abuse and nor did the CTV news report. Where does it say so? Child sex abuse deserves long term sentences. 

I guess I assumed that you might be at the least, a moderately informed citizen. 

[CITIZEN_2015]

I asked you informed citizen where did you hear or read that child sex was involved but as usual you evaded the answer.

[Hudson Jones]

1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Hopefully it will be challenged in the Supreme Court of Canada.

I am not fond of polygamy but I believe government and law enforcement has no business in citizens' bedrooms. All marriages were consensual adult and sending to jail for consensual marriage or sex is against democratic values that I dear.

Agreed.

[dialamah]

1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Child sex!!!!!!!!. The article said nothing about child sex abuse and nor did the CTV news report. Where does it say so? Child sex abuse deserves long term sentences. 

That is what they do - marry girls from early teens, men can be anywhere from 40 to nearly-dead.   If it were nothing but 'consenting' adults that they were marrying, I would agree with you.   I don't know why the court didn't mention that part, or the news article, but it's pretty well known.   

http://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/more-details-come-out-in-b-c-trial-of-parents-accused-of-forcing-daughters-into-polygamous-marriages

http://vancouversun.com/news/crime/daphne-bramham-former-wife-testifies-against-husband-brother-in-b-c-polygamy-trial

http://bc.ctvnews.ca/2-blackmores-from-bountiful-b-c-convicted-in-child-bride-case-1.3270134

 

[CITIZEN_2015]

15 minutes ago, dialamah said:

That is what they do - marry girls from early teens, men can be anywhere from 40 to nearly-dead.   If it were nothing but 'consenting' adults that they were marrying, I would agree with you.   I don't know why the court didn't mention that part, or the news article, but it's pretty well known.   

I am guessing that in this particular case it may have been all adult consenting marriages as the maximum jail time would be 5 years (child abuse cases would have been much longer) and the lawyer plans to challenge the case (again if child sex or child marriage was involved bo one would have even thought of challenging the case). My problem is with consenting adult marriages should be no one's business, however, any marriage under legal age is not consenting since a child is not mature enough to consent to such action and hence it must be illegal and punishable by much more than maximum 5 years.

[hot enough]

56 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

I am guessing that in this particular case it may have been all

Instead of guessing, why not do some, horrors of horror, RESEARCH!

[CITIZEN_2015]

41 minutes ago, hot enough said:

Instead of guessing, why not do some, horrors of horror, RESEARCH!

I did research and I found nothing on child sex claim and when I called out your post claiming that child sex was involved then you didn't respond and attached no link to back up your claim or quoted nothing.

Edited July 25, 2017 by CITIZEN_2015

[hot enough]

21 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

I did research and I found nothing on child sex claim and when I called out your post claiming that child sex was involved then you didn't respond and attached no link to back up your claim or quoted nothing.

Did you check out the research that was right there in dialamah's post?

[CITIZEN_2015]

14 minutes ago, hot enough said:

Did you check out the research that was right there in dialamah's post?

I said for THIS case. that the thread is about.

http://bc.ctvnews.ca/bishop-found-guilty-in-decades-long-b-c-polygamy-case-1.3516281

Edit:

I found one article which points to the probability that he may have been involved in underage marriages in a couple of cases. If proven I hope he burns in hell

http://vancouversun.com/news/crime/winston-blackmore-denied-to-police-that-he-married-a-15-year-old-court-hears

Nobody seem to know why only polygamy charges were laid!!!!!!! rather than child abuse for 10 years.

 

Edited July 25, 2017 by CITIZEN_2015

[hot enough]

14 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

I said for THIS case. that the thread is about.

http://bc.ctvnews.ca/bishop-found-guilty-in-decades-long-b-c-polygamy-case-1.3516281

Good dog almighty, man, these are the same people. You didn't whine when dialamah posted those links. 

[CITIZEN_2015]

Retraction:

In my view consenting adult polygamy is no one's business and that was what the thread was about based on what is available in the news and internet however, after doing long research I was able to find one article which indicates underaged marriage and sex. But no charges has been laid in this regard and no one knows why and many including myself not aware of this. In this case since it is a serious crime in my view I am not going to assume innocent until proven guilty. I hope he gets what he deserves, 

[Guest]

12 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Retraction:

In my view consenting adult polygamy is no one's business and that was what the thread was about based on what is available in the news and internet however, after doing long research I was able to find one article which indicates underaged marriage and sex. But no charges has been laid in this regard and no one knows why and many including myself not aware of this. In this case since it is a serious crime in my view I am not going to assume innocent until proven guilty. I hope he gets what he deserves, 

I think the presumption of innocence is not based on the seriousness of the crime.

[hot enough]

25 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

I think the presumption of innocence is not based on the seriousness of the crime.

Yet you leaped to condemn a young man who was subjected to torture until he confessed to an unconstitutional ex post facto law, and you have sat silent while many others have done the same. 

You sit silent while innocent Arab men have been falsely accused by those you know to be the lyingest people on the planet. 

Then you pretend, above, that you have standards. 

[Guest]

28 minutes ago, hot enough said:

Yet you leaped to condemn a young man who was subjected to torture until he confessed to an unconstitutional ex post facto law, and you have sat silent while many others have done the same. 

You sit silent while innocent Arab men have been falsely accused by those you know to be the lyingest people on the planet. 

Then you pretend, above, that you have standards. 

No I didn't.  I said he should be a POW.  No-one ever said POWs should be allowed their day in court.  They just get sent home when the war is over.

Do you agree or disagree with me about the presumption of innocence?

[Hal 9000]

The charges are not about child abuse or underage sex/statutory rape as far as I know.  What was it you people said in regards to Khadr, that we should focus on what the case is about, not what we think may have happened?  

Anyway, I see no reason why polygamy is illegal.  In this day and age, I thought one could marry whomever they wanted.  

P.S - I'm surprised that Dialamah is against it though, must be race related....or maybe it's just the religion that she's against.

Edited July 25, 2017 by Hal 9000

[hot enough]

8 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

No I didn't.  I said he should be a POW.  No-one ever said POWs should be allowed their day in court.  They just get sent home when the war is over.

It matters not a wit what you think. There can't be POWs because it was an illegal invasion, the supreme war crime, all the crimes that flow from that initial war crimes fall upon the shoulders of the perpetrators of that supreme crime. You do know who that is, don't you?

 

Quote

Do you agree or disagree with me about the presumption of innocence?

Of course I believe in the presumption of innocence. I described why you do not. 

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, hot enough said:

It matters not a wit what you think. There can't be POWs because it was an illegal invasion, the supreme war crime, all the crimes that flow from that initial war crimes fall upon the shoulders of the perpetrators of that supreme crime. You do know who that is, don't you?

 

Of course I believe in the presumption of innocence. I described why you do not. 

No you didn't. 

And what about Americans?  Are they all innocent until proven guilty?  Oooh, what about Kissinger?

[taxme]

6 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

CRANBROOK, B.C. - Two former bishops of an isolated religious commune in British Columbia have been convicted of practicing polygamy after a decades-long legal fight launched by the provincial government.

The court found James Oler married five women in so-called “celestial” marriages involving residents in the tiny religious community of Bountiful.

B.C. Supreme Court Justice Sheri Ann Donegan ruled earlier today that Oler's co-defendant Winston Blackmore was also guilty of polygamy after the trial heard he married 24 additional women after marrying Jane Blackmore.

http://bc.ctvnews.ca/bishop-found-guilty-in-decades-long-b-c-polygamy-case-1.3516281

 

Not certain, but I believe that Muslims can have as many wives as they want to also. If so, will they be allowed or not to do so here in Canada? And will a Canadian be allowed to bring this up without being charged with blasphemy or a hate crime for daring to mention this? After all, in Canada Muslims are now exempt from being questioned or challenged about their stone age religion. Aw well.