Keith Spicer boo-boo.

[Rue]

On ‎2017‎-‎04‎-‎12 at 5:51 AM, Michael Hardner said:

How do you think that this is 'fun and games' ?

Let's review:

Someone whose words are considered and parsed more carefully arguably than anyone in the world has just made a flippant comment about arguably the worst crime in history, piling onto the mountain of doubts that people have about this administration.  This comment was made in the context of a very complex and sensitive strategic situation involving world powers, the middle east, and many civilians also subject of war crimes.

Now: why are you laughing again ?

Thank you.

[Rue]

On ‎2017‎-‎04‎-‎12 at 10:33 AM, SpankyMcFarland said:

A bit of a storm in a teacup really. We know what he was trying to say and Mattis said it later: Hitler didn't use chemical weapons against military targets. The underlying problem is that Spicer lacks the verbal skills to manage this delicate job.   

Agreed very stupid and mangled but he just should not have gone there. Its just too stupid to rationalize. However his intent was not to deny the holocaust or the gas chambers. Stupid as hell and probably inexcusable for someone in his position but not intended to be hateful. But you can see how easy haters will use it for their own agendas..

[Rue]

On ‎2017‎-‎04‎-‎12 at 11:10 AM, betsy said:

 

They're latching on to anything they can, to hurt Trump. 

 

So he mis-spoke.....big deal.  This is where I get so frustrated with Jews and the holocaust!  Like the holocaust has become bigger than God!  You can't "blaspheme" against it. They'll crucify you for it.

 

 

"They" didn't crucify him. There were a lot of people who criticized him who were not Jewish. Come on Besty you really think Jews are the only people to find what he said bloody stupid? You've turned this idiocy around to blame Jews and accuse them of attacking Trump because he said something stupid. He made a ridiculously stupid comment and he knew he did the moment it left his mouth.. It is a big deal people at his level mispeaking can start wars and get people killed. I guess its Easter so you need to get on this Jews as crucifiers shtick. You are way off base.

By the way go look up the word blasphemy. It refers to speaking about God not the holocaust. You want to spit out false things about the holocaust or complain about it being remembered? Really? Knock yourself out start a thread. You want to blame Jews for what Spicer said, knock it off. Your off line. The responsibility for his words begin and end with him not Jews or Jews out to get Trump and stop referring to Jews as they. We have a name. Holding Spicer accountable for his words is not crucifixion-you not only trivialize the holocaust but your own very religion.

Edited April 13, 2017 by Rue

[Wilber]

I agree with Rue, it was stupid and not thought through but I doubt there was any malice involved.

[Guest]

Quite.  I knew exactly what he meant when I heard him say it.  Adolf never dropped gas out of a Heinkel during the Blitz.

But given what Adolf did do with Zyklon B, it should have been obvious to anyone with a functioning brain cell that the press would pillory him for saying it, and anyone even remotely capapable of outrage would be consumed by it. 

So yeah, stupid.

[Guest]

That said, he's not as stupid as the Washington Post.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/09/13/dont-compare-donald-trump-to-adolf-hitler-it-belittles-hitler/?utm_term=.c3eedb35be8c

[betsy]

On 4/13/2017 at 4:45 PM, Rue said:

"They" didn't crucify him. There were a lot of people who criticized him who were not Jewish. Come on Besty you really think Jews are the only people to find what he said bloody stupid? You've turned this idiocy around to blame Jews and accuse them of attacking Trump because he said something stupid. He made a ridiculously stupid comment and he knew he did the moment it left his mouth.. It is a big deal people at his level mispeaking can start wars and get people killed. I guess its Easter so you need to get on this Jews as crucifiers shtick. You are way off base.

By the way go look up the word blasphemy. It refers to speaking about God not the holocaust. You want to spit out false things about the holocaust or complain about it being remembered? Really? Knock yourself out start a thread. You want to blame Jews for what Spicer said, knock it off. Your off line. The responsibility for his words begin and end with him not Jews or Jews out to get Trump and stop referring to Jews as they. We have a name. Holding Spicer accountable for his words is not crucifixion-you not only trivialize the holocaust but your own very religion.

 

So what if he said it?  He apologised for that mistake.  

 

I compared the reaction over how the Holocaust is being treated by Jews - it's like committing blasphemy if you ever said anything like this with Spicer.  Yet I don't see the same people getting all hot if anyone insulted the Abrahamic God! 

The term holocaust, must be bigger than God!

Edited April 15, 2017 by betsy

[betsy]

On 4/13/2017 at 4:51 PM, Wilber said:

I agree with Rue, it was stupid and not thought through but I doubt there was any malice involved.

I don't think there was malice involved.  Trump is very much pro-Israel....that's why this reaction from Jews is very much baffling. 

Mind you, we got Jews who sides with the enemies of Israel.  We see them in protests.

Edited April 15, 2017 by betsy

[Wilber]

It isn't baffling at all that Jews would react. There are always some people will over react when it comes to just about everything.

[Rue]

6 hours ago, betsy said:

 

So what if he said it?  He apologised for that mistake.  

 

I compared the reaction over how the Holocaust is being treated by Jews - it's like committing blasphemy if you ever said anything like this with Spicer.  Yet I don't see the same people getting all hot if anyone insulted the Abrahamic God! 

The term holocaust, must be bigger than God!

Your original comment contained words that stereotype the thoughts of all Jews and so does your latest response to me and both show you haven't a clue what the impications are for what you have said or why what you are saying makes no rational sense. I won't waste any more energy on it. You aint worth the energy.

 

 

[betsy]

1 hour ago, Rue said:

Your original comment contained words that stereotype the thoughts of all Jews and so does your latest response to me and both show you haven't a clue what the impications are for what you have said or why what you are saying makes no rational sense. I won't waste any more energy on it. You aint worth the energy.

 

 

 

I'm making a comparison about how holocaust and the Abrahamic God are treated by Jews.  I'm talking about Jews who go ballistic like the way they do now with Spicer! 

Edited April 15, 2017 by betsy

[betsy]

1 hour ago, Wilber said:

It isn't baffling at all that Jews would react. There are always some people will over react when it comes to just about everything.

I'm not baffled that Jews would react.  Even educated non-Jews would've reacted if someone said the Nazis didn't use any chemicals!

Read and understand what I was saying, and respond within its context:

 

Quote

 

betsy

Trump is very much pro-Israel....that's why this reaction from Jews is very much baffling. 

 

 

[Wilber]

If you were trying to post a link, it doesn't work.

[hot enough]

On 4/12/2017 at 3:51 AM, Michael Hardner said:

has just made a flippant comment about arguably the worst crime in history,

That is ludicrous, Michael. It is the most played up, meaning most talked about but it pales compared to the collective genocides of you know who. 

[Rue]

2 hours ago, betsy said:

 

I'm making a comparison about how holocaust and the Abrahamic God are treated by Jews.  I'm talking about Jews who go ballistic like the way they do now with Spicer! 

Besty you are not making comparisons, you fabricate stereotypes of how all Jews think and from there made some pretty stupid comments about Jews and what we think.

1. you have zero proof Jews refer to the holocaust on a higher moral plane of reference than God-that's your invented assumption of what all Jews think

2. you assume all Jews over-emphasize and place too much importance on the holocaust-that's your stereotype of what any of us think

3. you assumed in your responses only Jews found what Spicer said stupid-you are dead wrong-it was far from only Jews finding what he said stupid-that's your assumption based on a stereotype that only Jews found what he said dumb, that is not the case and was never the case

4. you assume all Jews are stupid and can't differentiate between the comments of an idiot and the policies let alone foreign policies of Donald Trump

5. you assume all Jews think the same.

I spelled it out in easy to understand terms aboev for even you to understand and its as far as I will go.

Try understand this:

6. you don't know how all Jews think or even a single  Jew thinks-you assume you do

7. you turned some stupid words from Spicer into an excuse to accuse ALL Jews of over-emphasizing the holocaust.

Take ownership for your words. They are irrational in that you do not have magical powers that knows what any of us Jews think.

What is ironic is that Spicer genuinely understood the moment he said what he did he said the wrong thing-you on the other hand try excuse it.

Spicer did not try excuse it. Maybe you need to read what he said in his apologies.

In fact and herein lies the irony it was a majority of non Jews that found what Spicer said dumb. No one has called him a hateful man but he sure as hell was stupid and he has to speak more carefully as the press spokesperson for the most powerful man in the world.

Clumsy poorly worded statements can trigger wars and unintended consequences. That's the real point.

I want to tell you something else as someone with family who died in the holocaust and who is a Jew- I could care less what you think about the holocaust- you want to trivialize it and act like its no big deal and wiping out 6 million people is no big deal, knock yourself out. I am sure Taxme will join you on a thread if you want as to that. if however you trivialize it or use it to stereotype in a negative way all Jews I will challenge you and I would do the same if you speak of any other genocide in a similar manner..

The reason we remember  genocides and do not compare them to one another like a pissing contest as to whose genocide was worse is so we can learn from them all that one life killed was too many and its easy to kill millions when we do what you do engage in negative stereotyping of what these people think and feel.

Spicer was not intending to do harm but he has to be held accountable for his words and as far as I am concerned he did. I saw a genuinely remorseful man. In you I see only hateful stereotypes and generalizations of Jews and your timing on Easter to accuse us once again of crucifying someone was not missed.

Some habits just don't die out now do they Betsy.

 

.

 

 

Edited April 15, 2017 by Rue

[Rue]

12 minutes ago, hot enough said:

That is ludicrous, Michael. It is the most played up, meaning most talked about but it pales compared to the collective genocides of you know who. 

If you have something hateful to say about the holocaust and Jews spit it out.  "Played up" I s a term used to mean exaggerated or over-emphasized and when people like you claim the holocaust is exaggerated over emphasized you engage in a subjective assumption. You offer no proof, just a subjective perception.  You also h ave zero proof its the most talked about let alone written about. Again those are your subjective assumptions. You have no proof of that. Then you engage in classic holocaust denial and you do it by caging your words. What are you afraid of? Spit it out. List the genocides and start comparing them in a pissing contest to tell us all how you determined the holocaust was no big deal. Go on. Finish your hateful comments-don't cage them.

Better still take a look at what the subject nature of this thread is-it was about Spicer making stupid comments about chemical warfare. Go start a thread downplaying the holocaust.

 

[hot enough]

5 minutes ago, Rue said:

If you have something hateful to say about the holocaust and Jews spit it out.  "Played up" I s a term used to mean exaggerated or over-emphasized and when people like you claim the holocaust is exaggerated over emphasized you engage in a subjective assumption. You offer no proof, just a subjective perception.  You also h ave zero proof its the most talked about let alone written about. Again those are your subjective assumptions. You have no proof of that. Then you engage in classic holocaust denial and you do it by caging your words. What are you afraid of? Spit it out. List the genocides and start comparing them in a pissing contest to tell us all how you determined the holocaust was no big deal. Go on. Finish your hateful comments-don't cage them.

Better still take a look at what the subject nature of this thread is-it was about Spicer making stupid comments about chemical warfare. Go start a thread downplaying the holocaust.

 

You sure went on and on on the very topic that you ranted about being off topic, Rue. At least you limited yourself to a short bible length screed.

[Michael Hardner]

Yes, there is another thread for this topic.

[betsy]

18 hours ago, Rue said:

Besty you are not making comparisons, you fabricate stereotypes of how all Jews think and from there made some pretty stupid comments about Jews and what we think.

 (snip)

 

Of course I'm not referring to all Jews.

My point:  you can't afford to make a mistake in saying anything that pertains to the holocaust without anyone wanting your head on a silver platter. 

 We all know what he was trying to say about Assad.  His analogy, however,  sucks.  His apology isn't enough for some.

 

What?  This administration is a friend of Israel.  Is this how you treat a friend?

Edited April 16, 2017 by kimmy
trimmed excessive quote

[kimmy]

On 4/12/2017 at 1:22 AM, taxme said:

What? What did he just say? Did he just blurt that out by mistake or did he already personally know that, and according to many historical revisionists, that Hitler never used any kind of gas at all to kill anyone that was a prisoner in any of those German concentration camps. Did he just say that to try and make Assad look really evil, and worse than Hitler? Did he just agree with many others that the whole story about the so-called Jewish holocaust never really happened as we have been told for decades now?  

Spicer has taken a lot of flak about what he said when he said that even Hitler did not use gas on prisoners. Sometimes the truth does come out in strange and funny situations.

So you're suggesting that Sean Spicer accidentally let the world know that "the elites" think the Holocaust is a hoax.

 

Betsy, I think this is an example of why people tread very carefully around issues pertaining to the Holocaust.  Spicer might not have intended any harm, but the world is full of people who still believe that the Jews are an evil secret society that control everything. Comments that, even unintentionally, lend support to Holocaust deniers are seized on by such people as evidence to support their ideas.

 -k

[betsy]

48 minutes ago, kimmy said:

So you're suggesting that Sean Spicer accidentally let the world know that "the elites" think the Holocaust is a hoax.

 

Betsy, I think this is an example of why people tread very carefully around issues pertaining to the Holocaust.  Spicer might not have intended any harm, but the world is full of people who still believe that the Jews are an evil secret society that control everything. Comments that, even unintentionally, lend support to Holocaust deniers are seized on by such people as evidence to support their ideas.

 -k

 

Holocaust deniers are just another conspiracy theorists who think and reason like the 9/11 truthers.  They disregard  evidence.

 

But yes, people ought to tread carefully around issues, especially when certain faction are on a witchhunt.  Spicer ought to have been more careful.  How many politicians have we seen that blurted out stupid things, and those were spinned and  used against them?

Edited April 16, 2017 by betsy

[kimmy]

2 minutes ago, betsy said:

Holocaust deniers are just another conspiracy theorists who think and reason like the 9/11 truthers.  They disregard  evidence.

Yes... they'll disregard any amount of evidence that disagrees with their preconception. But the tiniest notion that they think supports their theory is a "SMOKING GUN!!!" as far as they're concerned. Which is how Calm Spicy's misstep was seen as "blowing the lid off a massive conspiracy!!!" by people who are convinced the Holocaust was a hoax.

 -k

[taxme]

On 4/13/2017 at 1:45 PM, Rue said:

"They" didn't crucify him. There were a lot of people who criticized him who were not Jewish. Come on Besty you really think Jews are the only people to find what he said bloody stupid? You've turned this idiocy around to blame Jews and accuse them of attacking Trump because he said something stupid. He made a ridiculously stupid comment and he knew he did the moment it left his mouth.. It is a big deal people at his level mispeaking can start wars and get people killed. I guess its Easter so you need to get on this Jews as crucifiers shtick. You are way off base.

By the way go look up the word blasphemy. It refers to speaking about God not the holocaust. You want to spit out false things about the holocaust or complain about it being remembered? Really? Knock yourself out start a thread. You want to blame Jews for what Spicer said, knock it off. Your off line. The responsibility for his words begin and end with him not Jews or Jews out to get Trump and stop referring to Jews as they. We have a name. Holding Spicer accountable for his words is not crucifixion-you not only trivialize the holocaust but your own very religion.

Keith Spicer did say that "even Hitler didn't use chemicals". Maybe he knows more than you do, eh? Maybe you are a bit to emotional and sensitive about certain topics. Maybe you need to chill out a bit. 

[Rue]

8 hours ago, betsy said:

 

Of course I'm not referring to all Jews.

My point:  you can't afford to make a mistake in saying anything that pertains to the holocaust without anyone wanting your head on a silver platter. 

 We all know what he was trying to say about Assad.  His analogy, however,  sucks.  His apology isn't enough for some.

 

What?  This administration is a friend of Israel.  Is this how you treat a friend?

Besty ease up. He said some dumb words, no Jews are out to get him. He apologized.  Jews are no different than anyone else on the topic. End of story. Thank you for your clarifications. I hope you understand mine.

[Rue]

7 minutes ago, taxme said:

Keith Spicer did say that "even Hitler didn't use chemicals". Maybe he knows more than you do, eh? Maybe you are a bit to emotional and sensitive about certain topics. Maybe you need to chill out a bit. 

Taxme you agenda on this forum is to advance white supremacist pap and you want to tell your favourite Jew on the forum to go chill? Lol.

 

 

Edited April 16, 2017 by Rue