EVIDENCE FOR GOD

[blackbird]

On 12/13/2017 at 12:05 AM, Ginsy said:

Which God ordained? According to, what, The Bible I assume? And what if I reject the bible as truth? How they had grandchildren matters. Scientists have discovered how people are born and the conditions leading up to birth, and this can be proven through observable facts, so if someone proposes that these grandchildren (and Adam and Eve..) were born in an entirely different way than everyone else who has ever existed, people are definitely going to be skeptical. Why should they accept God's "ordainment" as truth if it is questionable? 

The Bible says the human race started with Adam and Eve. Ok, if we are to believe that everything written in The Bible is true, what if The Bible also insisted that fire is not hot? Would you have no problem then walking through a pit of fire since The Bible claims it is not hot and of course The Bible is a book filled with truth? 

Eve being created from the rib of Adam, well, makes no logical sense. Is that just the way God did it, or was that just a fun thought the author of the bible had? Who knows. I don't. 

 

Good questions. 

Which God?  The God of the Holy Bible, the King James Bible (1611) in English.  There are many false gods in the world.  The true God revealed himself in the creation and in the Holy Bible.   The Holy Bible was written by men who were directly inspired by God to write what they wrote.  The evidence that the Bible is inspired by God is in the pages of Scripture itself.  Evidence is in the many supernatural things that happened such as the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who was seen by eyewitnesses.  The Bible says one had to have seen  Christ after the resurrection in order to qualify as an apostle.  There are also many prophecies in the Bible which were later fulfilled, again verifying the Bible is God's word.

God was not created because he is God and always existed.  One of the characteristics of God is he is eternal.  Time was a creation of God, much like the universe.

When God created everything, it was obviously a supernatural act of God.  It was not the normal sequence of events we see happening today.  That is just how God created everything.  The Bible says God took a rib of Adam to make a woman.  Now why he did that does not say but it was a supernatural event.  The Bible has many supernatural events which occurred.  The Bible does not give the reasons for everything that occurred such as why God used a rib from Adam.  God is not accountable to anyone and doesn't have to answer to anyone because he is God.  God is omnipotent (infinitely powerful), omnipresent, and omniscient (knows everything).  The Bible also teaches God has a personality and is knowable.  Unlike other false gods, the God of the Bible is knowable and individuals have a personal relationship with God as a Father and son or Father and daughter.  This personal relationship can  be established only through God's son, Jesus Christ. 

 

 

[taxme]

8 hours ago, blackbird said:

Good questions. 

Which God?  The God of the Holy Bible, the King James Bible (1611) in English.  There are many false gods in the world.  The true God revealed himself in the creation and in the Holy Bible.   The Holy Bible was written by men who were directly inspired by God to write what they wrote.  The evidence that the Bible is inspired by God is in the pages of Scripture itself.  Evidence is in the many supernatural things that happened such as the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who was seen by eyewitnesses.  The Bible says one had to have seen  Christ after the resurrection in order to qualify as an apostle.  There are also many prophecies in the Bible which were later fulfilled, again verifying the Bible is God's word.

God was not created because he is God and always existed.  One of the characteristics of God is he is eternal.  Time was a creation of God, much like the universe.

When God created everything, it was obviously a supernatural act of God.  It was not the normal sequence of events we see happening today.  That is just how God created everything.  The Bible says God took a rib of Adam to make a woman.  Now why he did that does not say but it was a supernatural event.  The Bible has many supernatural events which occurred.  The Bible does not give the reasons for everything that occurred such as why God used a rib from Adam.  God is not accountable to anyone and doesn't have to answer to anyone because he is God.  God is omnipotent (infinitely powerful), omnipresent, and omniscient (knows everything).  The Bible also teaches God has a personality and is knowable.  Unlike other false gods, the God of the Bible is knowable and individuals have a personal relationship with God as a Father and son or Father and daughter.  This personal relationship can  be established only through God's son, Jesus Christ. 

 

 

The question I keep asking myself is how did God come into existence? If there is nothing there but nothing then how does a God or anything come about?  Curious. 

[Omni]

12 hours ago, blackbird said:

Good questions. 

Which God?  The God of the Holy Bible, the King James Bible (1611) in English.  There are many false gods in the world.  The true God revealed himself in the creation and in the Holy Bible.   The Holy Bible was written by men who were directly inspired by God to write what they wrote.  The evidence that the Bible is inspired by God is in the pages of Scripture itself.  Evidence is in the many supernatural things that happened such as the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who was seen by eyewitnesses.  The Bible says one had to have seen  Christ after the resurrection in order to qualify as an apostle.  There are also many prophecies in the Bible which were later fulfilled, again verifying the Bible is God's word.

God was not created because he is God and always existed.  One of the characteristics of God is he is eternal.  Time was a creation of God, much like the universe.

When God created everything, it was obviously a supernatural act of God.  It was not the normal sequence of events we see happening today.  That is just how God created everything.  The Bible says God took a rib of Adam to make a woman.  Now why he did that does not say but it was a supernatural event.  The Bible has many supernatural events which occurred.  The Bible does not give the reasons for everything that occurred such as why God used a rib from Adam.  God is not accountable to anyone and doesn't have to answer to anyone because he is God.  God is omnipotent (infinitely powerful), omnipresent, and omniscient (knows everything).  The Bible also teaches God has a personality and is knowable.  Unlike other false gods, the God of the Bible is knowable and individuals have a personal relationship with God as a Father and son or Father and daughter.  This personal relationship can  be established only through God's son, Jesus Christ. 

 

 

Yep, everybody who gets sucked into the god bullshit believes their god is the only god, and then millions of people get killed. When will we evolve I wonder?

[Hawkins]

6 hours ago, Omni said:

Yep, everybody who gets sucked into the god bullshit believes their god is the only god, and then millions of people get killed. When will we evolve I wonder?

Humans are humans, their behavior says nothing about if God exists or which one is true.

[Omni]

6 hours ago, Hawkins said:

Humans are humans, their behavior says nothing about if God exists or which one is true.

Which tells me that none of them are true since they were all created by humans.

[blackbird]

20 hours ago, taxme said:

The question I keep asking myself is how did God come into existence? If there is nothing there but nothing then how does a God or anything come about?  Curious. 

The Bible says God is eternal, always existed.  God is a spirit and is not a part of the material universe.  The amazing thing is there is a God who is above all, all powerful, and eternal.  Words cannot describe the greatness of God or really give the human mind a complete picture because words are limited, that is, they just words.  So how one person comprehends something he reads may be different than how someone else comprehends the same words.   But some words may have more agreement.  Eternal is one of those words that there should be agreement on.  It means without beginning and without end.  Although God has a personality similar to a man, he is perfection and  he does not change.  I know it is a kind of cultural shock in the material world for one to grasp the concept of God.  The information about God is limited to what is in the Bible and of course his power to be able to create the universe, with the infinite complexities in living things for example.  But it does cause me to sit in awe at an amazing God, who does care about humanity.  That's one good reason to want to be part of his family, to be a considered by Him as a Son or Daughter and be able to spend eternity with Him and perhaps learn more about his infinite power and wisdom.

Edited December 15, 2017 by blackbird

[taxme]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

The Bible says God is eternal, always existed.  God is a spirit and is not a part of the material universe.  The amazing thing is there is a God who is above all, all powerful, and eternal.  Words cannot describe the greatness of God or really give the human mind a complete picture because words are limited, that is, they just words.  So how one person comprehends something he reads may be different than how someone else comprehends the same words.   But some words may have more agreement.  Eternal is one of those words that there should be agreement on.  It means without beginning and without end.  Although God has a personality similar to a man, he is perfection and  he does not change.  I know it is a kind of cultural shock in the material world for one to grasp the concept of God.  The information about God is limited to what is in the Bible and of course his power to be able to create the universe, with the infinite complexities in living things for example.  But it does cause me to sit in awe at an amazing God, who does care about humanity.  That's one good reason to want to be part of his family, to be a considered by Him as a Son or Daughter and be able to spend eternity with Him and perhaps learn more about his infinite power and wisdom.

Again, how does anything come from nothing? I cannot clench my fist and have nothing in it and then suddenly voila I suddenly have something in my hand. It is impossible to do unless you are a magician. Nothing cannot come about from nothing. This whole universe makes no sense as to how it all came about. And what drives me up the wall is just how far does this universe go? And if you can come to the end of this universe, what is on the other side of the end. The thought of it makes me want to blow a few brain cells that I really do need to keep.  

PS: Maybe what some scientists believe is the reason for our existence is that we are all just part of some kind of a computer game where you and I are just characters in this computer game which is being run by what one could call a God. I also remember watching a Star Trek show where Picard said in one of his lines "maybe we are all part of a computer game, and all around us is all just part of a make believe program". Hey, you never know. 

[Ginsy]

On 12/14/2017 at 11:12 AM, blackbird said:

Good questions. 

Which God?  The God of the Holy Bible, the King James Bible (1611) in English.  There are many false gods in the world.  The true God revealed himself in the creation and in the Holy Bible.   The Holy Bible was written by men who were directly inspired by God to write what they wrote.  The evidence that the Bible is inspired by God is in the pages of Scripture itself.  Evidence is in the many supernatural things that happened such as the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who was seen by eyewitnesses.  The Bible says one had to have seen  Christ after the resurrection in order to qualify as an apostle.  There are also many prophecies in the Bible which were later fulfilled, again verifying the Bible is God's word.

God was not created because he is God and always existed.  One of the characteristics of God is he is eternal.  Time was a creation of God, much like the universe.

When God created everything, it was obviously a supernatural act of God.  It was not the normal sequence of events we see happening today.  That is just how God created everything.  The Bible says God took a rib of Adam to make a woman.  Now why he did that does not say but it was a supernatural event.  The Bible has many supernatural events which occurred.  The Bible does not give the reasons for everything that occurred such as why God used a rib from Adam.  God is not accountable to anyone and doesn't have to answer to anyone because he is God.  God is omnipotent (infinitely powerful), omnipresent, and omniscient (knows everything).  The Bible also teaches God has a personality and is knowable.  Unlike other false gods, the God of the Bible is knowable and individuals have a personal relationship with God as a Father and son or Father and daughter.  This personal relationship can  be established only through God's son, Jesus Christ. 

 

 

Okay. God is not accountable, right? So if he performs the most immoral act known to mankind you will not hold him accountable? You'll look past it without any question or doubt? Any suspicion? Really? 

[Ginsy]

3 hours ago, taxme said:

PS: Maybe what some scientists believe is the reason for our existence is that we are all just part of some kind of a computer game where you and I are just characters in this computer game which is being run by what one could call a God. I also remember watching a Star Trek show where Picard said in one of his lines "maybe we are all part of a computer game, and all around us is all just part of a make believe program". Hey, you never know. 

Are you referring to the simulation theory where we're all actually just living in some kind of computer program/Matrix? It gives me nightmares. If simulation theory were true, wouldn't self-determination and free will be a hoax since everything is programmed anyways? 

Vox made a short but interesting video about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0KHiiTtt4w

 

[Omni]

36 minutes ago, Ginsy said:

Are you referring to the simulation theory where we're all actually just living in some kind of computer program/Matrix? It gives me nightmares. If simulation theory were true, wouldn't self-determination and free will be a hoax since everything is programmed anyways? 

Vox made a short but interesting video about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0KHiiTtt4w

 

Taxme seems to live inside a star trek game show, just  read his posts.

[blackbird]

On 12/15/2017 at 5:41 PM, Ginsy said:

Okay. God is not accountable, right? So if he performs the most immoral act known to mankind you will not hold him accountable? You'll look past it without any question or doubt? Any suspicion? Really? 

It is a nonsensical question really because God does not and cannot perform immoral acts.  The very idea of God performing an immoral act defies the definition of who God is. Morality itself is defined by God's laws such as the ten commandments.  I believe knowledge about God is the beginning of understanding. 

[blackbird]

On 12/15/2017 at 2:23 PM, taxme said:

Again, how does anything come from nothing? I cannot clench my fist and have nothing in it and then suddenly voila I suddenly have something in my hand. It is impossible to do unless you are a magician. Nothing cannot come about from nothing. This whole universe makes no sense as to how it all came about. And what drives me up the wall is just how far does this universe go? And if you can come to the end of this universe, what is on the other side of the end. The thought of it makes me want to blow a few brain cells that I really do need to keep.  

PS: Maybe what some scientists believe is the reason for our existence is that we are all just part of some kind of a computer game where you and I are just characters in this computer game which is being run by what one could call a God. I also remember watching a Star Trek show where Picard said in one of his lines "maybe we are all part of a computer game, and all around us is all just part of a make believe program". Hey, you never know. 

"how does anything come from nothing?"  Good question.  God is omnipotent which means he is all powerful.  God's power is infinite and beyond our comprehension.  When you say it is impossible for something to come from nothing, you are thinking in earthly terms.  God is a person infinitely greater than what we could even begin to imagine.  I don't think the Bible tells us how God created things out of nothing but just says that he did.  He spoke the universe into existence.  It is not a normal or natural event.  That is why it is called supernatural. 

You refer to some believing we are part of a computer game.   Actually I believe God is in control of the universe because his power is infinite.  But the Bible does not explain exactly why certain things happen.  He may allow certain things to happen but the Bible says God is not the author of evil.  So he does not order or cause evil to occur.

[blackbird]

On 12/14/2017 at 8:39 PM, Omni said:

Yep, everybody who gets sucked into the god bullshit believes their god is the only god, and then millions of people get killed. When will we evolve I wonder?

You are generalizing.  Believing in the God of the Bible means one believes killing is wrong.  If one does not follow the God of the Bible possibly he would be living by his own morality and could justify anything.

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, blackbird said:

  He may allow certain things to happen but the Bible says God is not the author of evil.  So he does not order or cause evil to occur.

He does nothing to prevent it so he's not that powerful.  If he can't be bothered then he's irrelevant.

[blackbird]

Just now, bcsapper said:

He does nothing to prevent it so he's not that powerful.  If he can't be bothered then he's irrelevant.

You forget that God did not create people to be mere robots.   It appears he gave man a certain degree of freedom to choose.  One can't blame God if then man chooses to do evil instead of good.  Obviously he could have just created pre-programmed robots, but then what would be the point of that?

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You are generalizing.  Believing in the God of the Bible means one believes killing is wrong.  If one does not follow the God of the Bible possibly he would be living by his own morality and could justify anything.

You think so.  There are an awful lot of people who (claim to) believe in the God of the Bible and are  also quite happy with the death penalty.  They even say the Bible supports them.  Something about exchanging facial features or something.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, blackbird said:

You forget that God did not create people to be mere robots.   It appears he gave man a certain degree of freedom to choose.  One can't blame God if then man chooses to do evil instead of good.  Obviously he could have just created pre-programmed robots, but then what would be the point of that?

Like I said, irrelevant.

[blackbird]

Just now, bcsapper said:

You think so.  There are an awful lot of people who (claim to) believe in the God of the Bible and are  also quite happy with the death penalty.  They even say the Bible supports them.  Something about exchanging facial features or something.

That's another good point.  Yes if you read Genesis you will find it says if someone murders someone then they can be executed (by due process  of course).  There is also the exception in self defense and for policemen doing their job and military defending their country.

[blackbird]

This is where it gets political.  Liberals (and with NDP support I assume) and maybe Conservatives as well,  banned the death penalty for murderers.  So we saw some prisoner murder another young prisoner on TV recently and no guards did anything to stop it.

Then there is the case of the government allowing returning ISIS fighters to return to Canada without question and saying they may offer re-integration to them.  While other countries are saying they shot them in Syria if they can, Canada says their Charter rights must be respected. 

When I see all these things going on, it just reinforces my belief that Canada has becoming a more heathen, humanist country that is losing it's way (if it ever had a good way).  It is following the humanism from the UN and progressives.

Edited December 17, 2017 by blackbird

[blackbird]

If a prisoner is already serving a life sentence (or two) what has he got to lose in killing other prisoners or guards?  What deterrent is there to help protect police or judges?

[Ginsy]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

It is a nonsensical question really because God does not and cannot perform immoral acts.  The very idea of God performing an immoral act defies the definition of who God is. Morality itself is defined by God's laws such as the ten commandments.  I believe knowledge about God is the beginning of understanding. 

This is a non-answer. Yes or no? Which would you choose? I really want to know what you would say.

If it's no then I have reason to question your devotion to god. If it's yes then I have reason to question your devotion to God. 

[blackbird]

16 hours ago, Ginsy said:

This is a non-answer. Yes or no? Which would you choose? I really want to know what you would say.

If it's no then I have reason to question your devotion to god. If it's yes then I have reason to question your devotion to God. 

So are you admitting to asking a trick question?   A meaningless question or a nonsensical question?   I thought I made it clear.  God who created everything is also the judge of what is right or wrong or morality.  One cannot stand before God and tell him what is right or wrong.  That is foolishness.  Perhaps you don't understand who God is.  That's more likely the issue.

[Ginsy]

3 hours ago, blackbird said:

So are you admitting to asking a trick question?   A meaningless question or a nonsensical question?   I thought I made it clear.  God who created everything is also the judge of what is right or wrong or morality.  One cannot stand before God and tell him what is right or wrong.  That is foolishness.  Perhaps you don't understand who God is.  That's more likely the issue.

That's my concern. This line of thinking literally horrifies me. What if God said that the morally right thing to do is to kill those who don't believe in him? Would you seriously accept that then? Just because he said it? My point is that anyone who is willing to follow anything that blindly without ever questioning it concerns the hell out of me.

Edited December 18, 2017 by Ginsy

[taxme]

On 12/15/2017 at 6:28 PM, Omni said:

Taxme seems to live inside a star trek game show, just  read his posts.

Better than living in an Obamarama, Hitlery, and the Mueller freak snowflake game show. Just saying. 

[taxme]

1 hour ago, Ginsy said:

That's my concern. This line of thinking literally horrifies me. What if God said that the morally right thing to do is to kill those who don't believe in him? Would you seriously accept that then? Just because he said it? My point is that anyone who is willing to follow anything that blindly without ever questioning it concerns the hell out of me.

God kills people who do believe in him. Why would he do that? Many say that there is a God. So where is this God and where does God live? How the hell do they even know that a God exists? Have they met him? Maybe Omni would know because he always likes to give the impression as though he knows all. Chuckle-chuckle.