Targeting Muslims, just a new Red Scare

[bush_cheney2004]

4 minutes ago, hot enough said:

And you are, as you always are, running and hiding from the truth, from the facts. Remember, you are taking part in another Red Scare. How much blood do you want on your hands?

 

As much as it takes....you gotta problem with that ?  

[hot enough]

12 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

will just have to deal with the U.S. on American terms, just like every other emigre.

A defender of war criminals and terrorists should not be trying to lecture anyone on anything, except how many times a year they ought to get fresh straw for their jail house beds. 

You folks always try this nonsense, open-minded folk that you are, but immigrants to the US keep their culture and traditions alive for as long as they want. Which is how it should be.

Murdering Muslims and many other peoples of the world is not how it should be. 

[Argus]

1 minute ago, blackbird said:

And where do you get the opportunity to persuade people of anything?  Do you go to a mosque and speak to some people?  Why would they listen to you?  The Imam is the one who has the authority to interpret.  Do you think they are going to listen to a non-believer tell them how to interpret the Quran or other holy writings? 

Several years ago the members of a mosque here in Ottawa voted to remove the imam who had come from Saudi Arabia on the grounds that his views and teaching were out of line with Canadian values. Those people might attend mosque but they are members of the community. They interact with other Canadians regularly, and consume Canadian news media. There is no way for them to not understand how different some of those religious values are from what is standard in Canada, and no way for them to not get that some of those views would be considered absolutely unacceptable here. Some of them will bull ahead regardless, convinced theirs is the one true path. Others will think about it.

 

 

[blackbird]

8 minutes ago, hot enough said:

I never try to get around the facts. That is your province. Look at all of you folks who are terrified of looking at the science that shows the US official 911 story is false. 

What you quoted is false.  The Bible's Old Testament is to be interpreted in it's context, i.e.  much of it is historical.   The claim that it is more violent than the Quran shows the professor doesn't know what he is talking about.  Maybe he should talk to someone who knows the Bible.   The context is of utmost importance and there is context in the Old Testament.  I have read that a lot of the verses in the Quran exhorting violence are not in any context, which leaves it to the reader to decide how he wants to interpret it.

The key is "context".  If you are not willing to accept that, there is nothing much one can say.

Edited March 29, 2017 by blackbird

[Argus]

6 minutes ago, hot enough said:

And you are, as you always are, running and hiding from the truth, from the facts. Remember, you are taking part in another Red Scare. How much blood do you want on your hands?

Challenging tyranny is sometimes bloody, but that doesn't mean blood is on my hands. It's on the hands of those who espouse tyranny.

[bush_cheney2004]

3 minutes ago, hot enough said:

A defender of war criminals and terrorists should not be trying to lecture anyone on anything, except how many times a year they ought to get fresh straw for their jail house beds. 

You folks always try this nonsense, open-minded folk that you are, but immigrants to the US keep their culture and traditions alive for as long as they want. Which is how it should be.

Murdering Muslims and many other peoples of the world is not how it should be. 

 

And yet they keep on coming to the evil USA....voting with their feet and Qu'rans.

America doesn't care how you think it should be.   Bombs away !!!

Edited March 29, 2017 by bush_cheney2004

[hot enough]

5 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The claim that it is more violent than the Quran shows the professor doesn't know what he is talking about.

Puleeze. What are your academic qualifications? You schooling?

[blackbird]

1 minute ago, hot enough said:

Puleeze. What are your academic qualifications? You schooling?

What are yours?  Are you a Muslim?

[hot enough]

5 minutes ago, Argus said:

Challenging tyranny is sometimes bloody, but that doesn't mean blood is on my hands. It's on the hands of those who espouse tyranny.

Tyranny is slaughtering 4 million Muslims based on 911 lies, Iraq lies, Afghanistan lies. And the other tens of millions of deaths that you are equally comfortable supporting. 

[hot enough]

4 minutes ago, blackbird said:

What are yours?  Are you a Muslim?

Compare yours to the Professor's. 

[Argus]

1 minute ago, hot enough said:

Tyranny is slaughtering 4 million Muslims based on 911 lies, Iraq lies, Afghanistan lies. And the other tens of millions of deaths that you are equally comfortable supporting. 

You're babbling again.

[blackbird]

Just now, hot enough said:

Compare yours to the Professor's. 

No I'm not a Muslim.    The professor's claim would be rejected by 99.999% of bible scholars and anyone who has a relatively basic knowledge of the Bible.  Go to any website on bible commentary and interpretation.  

So are you a Muslim?

[hot enough]

7 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

And yet they keep on coming to the evil USA....voting with their feet and Qu'rans.

That's to keep their children from being slaughtered in their own countries which, it shouldn't have to be pointed out to you, is not where the war criminal USA belongs. But you keep on enthusiastically supporting this equal to Nazi Germany country of yours. 

[bush_cheney2004]

9 minutes ago, hot enough said:

Tyranny is slaughtering 4 million Muslims based on 911 lies, Iraq lies, Afghanistan lies. And the other tens of millions of deaths that you are equally comfortable supporting. 

 

And there will be many more....because there is nothing you can do about it.

U.S. policy is not changing anytime soon...more ships and aircraft and bombs and missiles are being manufactured every day.

 

Edited March 29, 2017 by bush_cheney2004

[hot enough]

6 minutes ago, Argus said:

You're babbling again.

You are avoiding facts/truth, as always.  Why?

 

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Exchange between lawyer and Prof Hulsey

Daniel Sheehan [lawyer]: "On a scale of 1 to a 100, ... how probable do you think it is, or how possible do you think it is that this building [WTC7] could have collapsed simply because of the fires?"

 

Professor Hulsey: "Zero."

 

 

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, hot enough said:

That's to keep their children from being slaughtered in their own countries which, it shouldn't have to be pointed out to you, is not where the war criminal USA belongs. But you keep on enthusiastically supporting this equal to Nazi Germany country of yours. 

 

That's right....enthusiastically support while I watch NCAA basketball or NFL football on my Chinese made HD television.

Bombed the crap out of Germany too, if that makes you feel any better.

[Argus]

Just now, hot enough said:

You are avoiding facts/truth, as always.  Why?

If you ever post any I'm sure I won't try to avoid them. At the moment the only things I'm avoiding can best be compared to what dogs leave on the sidewalk.

 

[blackbird]

11 minutes ago, Argus said:

Several years ago the members of a mosque here in Ottawa voted to remove the imam who had come from Saudi Arabia on the grounds that his views and teaching were out of line with Canadian values. Those people might attend mosque but they are members of the community. They interact with other Canadians regularly, and consume Canadian news media. There is no way for them to not understand how different some of those religious values are from what is standard in Canada, and no way for them to not get that some of those views would be considered absolutely unacceptable here. Some of them will bull ahead regardless, convinced theirs is the one true path. Others will think about it.

 

 

Glad they rejected the Imam from Saudi Arabia.  There have been reports of other radical Imams preaching in some Mosques.  Never heard they were removed.  But this is a difficult solution to a massive problem.  You say there are Canadians interacting with some of their community.  I have no idea what kind of interaction there is and how this can solve the problem.  The danger of some people, who are alienated from their community, becoming radicalized is still there.  Very difficult problem.  People can't just walk into a mosque or stop a Muslim somewhere to start a discussion.  As I said, they may not accept anyone outside their community having credentials.  The Canadian law and cultural standards do work in our favour.  But it is not the whole solution to deal with radicals or extremists.

[Goddess]

10 minutes ago, hot enough said:

 

You folks always try this nonsense, open-minded folk that you are, but immigrants to the US keep their culture and traditions alive for as long as they want. Which is how it should be.

 

I've read a lot about immigration in European countries compared to immigration into the US.  My personal opinion is that America respects immigrants more in regard to viewing them as potential assets, Europe has experienced more problems with immigration because it tends to view immigrants in a condescending type of way - more as charity cases, needy, often leading a lot of them to become nothing more than wards of the state.

While immigrants are encouraged to keep certain aspects of their culture once in the US, they are also expected to integrate and to get a job.  Not so much in most European countries.  Most European countries have laws that actually prevent this.  For example, Sweden has a minimum age for marrying of 18, but for immigrants there is no minimum.  In Germany, a German who marries and wants to bring their new spouse in from outside the EU has years of legal hoops to jump through, but an immigrant is not required to do so, since it is assumed the marriage is arranged and the parties will likely have never even met.  Europe has been overly-accomodating and reluctant to address certain reprehensible traditions and religious/cultural differences and so has created extreme problems for itself, that the US has not experienced (at least not nearly to the same extent.)

In many parts of Europe, when an ethnic European beats his wife, the police know how to handle it.  When it's an immigrant beating his wife, it's seen as a cultural thing that the police have no right to intrude on.

I could go on and on.....but if you just think about how these and other policies prevent immigrants from integrating (not to mention how they fail women), you'll see what I'm getting at.  It's difficult, as a North American women, to watch immigrant women be treated so poorly due to culture and also see that our own governments provide them no help simply because they are immigrants.  And to hear people like you demand that they keep these aspects of their culture or ignore them, I feel you do immigrants a great disservice.

I view it more as a clash of cultures than a "Red Scare".  And I'm sorry if you think it makes me a bad person....but as a woman, I would take living in Western society over living in a Muslim society - any day.  Is our way perfect?  No, but I do think it is better.

 

 

[bush_cheney2004]

Not a very effective "scare"....Muslim refugees from around the world keep voting with their feet and Qu'rans for the evil US of A:

 

 

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/10/05/u-s-admits-record-number-of-muslim-refugees-in-2016/

Edited March 29, 2017 by bush_cheney2004

[hot enough]

7 minutes ago, Goddess said:

I view it more as a clash of cultures than a "Red Scare".  And I'm sorry if you think it makes me a bad person....but as a woman, I would take living in Western society over living in a Muslim society - any day.  Is our way perfect?  No, but I do think it is better.

All good words and arguments, Goddess, but you miss the central issue. You seem not to know what the Red Scare was and you don't understand how it is being repeated. You refuse to look at the unbelievable numbers of murdered Muslims by that same US government. All based on lies. 

The alleged hijackers did not cause the collapse of the WTC towers. Science tells us that. The very science that the US pretends to hold in such high regard but refuses to see because they know the truth. I'm sure that you can see the implications of that if you are honest with yourself.

The US pretends to be such a high minded society but it was the US that was negotiating with the Taliban right up into August 2001 for rights to a gas pipeline across their country. It was the US that was wining and dining the Taliban in the US. Have you been to Mt Rushmore? The Taliban got to go with their US handlers. 

It is the US that lied myriad times to start false wars with many countries. That has resulted in the deaths of tens of millions. Again, all because of lies.

The US was born of terrorism and genocide, and it hasn't stopped since.  

 

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, hot enough said:

...The US was born of terrorism and genocide, and it hasn't stopped since.  
 

 

OK...so why would it stop now ?

Nothing special about Islam or Muslims in that regard.  

Welcome to the club.

 

[Goddess]

1 minute ago, hot enough said:

All good words and arguments, Goddess, but you miss the central issue. You seem not to know what the Red Scare was and you don't understand how it is being repeated.

No, I "get" what you're trying to say.

I just disagree with 2 of your points:

#1 - I disagree with you that there are no problems with Muslims or in Islam.

#2 - I disagree with you that the US is 100% responsible for what Muslims/Islam are doing.

[hot enough]

The Red Scare/Islamaphobia is real.

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More broadly, since September 11, 2001, anti-Muslim hate crimes have consistently stayed anywhere from 100 to 150 in number per year. In 2001, that number reached nearly 500. Of all hate crimes, anti-Muslim crimes make up about 2 percent.

Before 9/11, though, the FBI says there were only about 20 or 30 anti-Muslim hate crimes per year.

https://www.rt.com/usa/231839-muslim-hate-crime-religion/

 

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, hot enough said:

The Red Scare/Islamaphobia is real.

 

 

Good...this is what many groups have experienced in the U.S.

What is so special about Muslims in that regard ?