United States Terrorism aka Christian Terrorism

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, hot enough said:

I'm not anti American, I am anti US war crimes and anti US terrorism. Are you pro-US war crimes and pro-US terrorism? Why?

 

Yes, I know that the world is full of tyrannical dictatorships and a large majority of them are supported by the USA. 

I am on the side of those who have had their countries illegally invaded, over 70 since WWII, those tens of millions who have been slaughtered by the US since WWII, those hundreds of millions who have had their loved ones and their wealth taken from them by US predation. 

Whose side are you on? 

I just wondered where you get your information.  You haven't said yet.  You must have got your ideas from somewhere.

You know I am on the side of the west, Canada and our allies.  You are not and you have a problem.  You are not living in reality.  I would like to help you but you have to come clean first.  Where did you get your ideas?

[dialamah]

The US has admitted they were responsible for these deaths ... 

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The U.S. military said on Saturday a U.S.-led coalition strike had hit an Islamic State-held area of Iraq’s Mosul where residents and officials say as many as 200 civilians may have been killed as result of an air raid.

 

Good on them for taking responsibility.   Now if only we in the West cared as much about 200 dead Muslims as we do about 4 dead Westerners, eh?  

 

 

[bush_cheney2004]

2 minutes ago, dialamah said:

The US has admitted they were responsible for these deaths ... 

Good on them for taking responsibility.   Now if only we in the West cared as much about 200 dead Muslims as we do about 4 dead Westerners, eh? 

 

Better still if majority Muslim nations actually cared as much about thousands of dead Muslims, not just 200.

[hot enough]

44 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I just wondered where you get your information.  You haven't said yet.  You must have got your ideas from somewhere.

You know I am on the side of the west, Canada and our allies.  You are not and you have a problem.  You are not living in reality.  I would like to help you but you have to come clean first.  Where did you get your ideas?

This information is so easy to find. It comes from US government sources. That you don't know is highly illustrative of just how good the US propaganda system is. 

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A Brief History of U.S. Interventions: 
1945 to the Present

by William Blum

 

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/US_Interventions_WBlumZ.html

The engine of American foreign policy has been fueled not by a devotion to any kind of morality, but rather by the necessity to serve other imperatives, which can be summarized as follows:

* making the world safe for American corporations;

* enhancing the financial statements of defense contractors at home who have contributed generously to members of congress;

* preventing the rise of any society that might serve as a successful example of an alternative to the capitalist model;

* extending political and economic hegemony over as wide an area as possible, as befits a "great power."

This in the name of fighting a supposed moral crusade against what cold warriors convinced themselves, and the American people, was the existence of an evil International Communist Conspiracy, which in fact never existed, evil or not.

The United States carried out extremely serious interventions into more than 70 nations in this period.

 

 

[blackbird]

2 minutes ago, hot enough said:

This information is sosy to find. It comes from US government sources. That you don't know is highly illustrative of just how good the US propaganda system is. 

 

Actually international communism was a reality and a threat during the cold war era.  Examples are Cuba, some countries in central America where revolutionaries were fighting. Places like El Salvador,   Other places where communists were trying to spread were Vietnam, Cambodia, possibly Laos, and in Africa, Angola.  Cuba sent communist troops to fight in Angola.  Cuba also brought in missiles in 1961 and precipitated the Cuban missile crisis which put the world on the brink of nuclear war with the USSR.  It was averted at the last minute by Gorbachev and President John F Kennedy.  Cooler heads prevailed.

[blackbird]

Communism/marxism is a failed system.  It deprives it's people of basic human rights.  Certain people in positions of power help themselves. It is anti-democratic and a totalitarian system that has brought poverty and misery where it has been tried.  The capitalist system has brought prosperity and a good living to the middle class in western countries.

[hot enough]

5 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Actually international communism was a reality and a threat during the cold war era.  Examples are Cuba, some countries in central America where revolutionaries were fighting. Places like El Salvador,   Other places where communists were trying to spread were Vietnam, Cambodia, possibly Laos, and in Africa, Angola.  Cuba sent communist troops to fight in Angola.  Cuba also brought in missiles in 1961 and precipitated the Cuban missile crisis which put the world on the brink of nuclear war with the USSR.  It was averted at the last minute by Gorbachev and President John F Kennedy.  Cooler heads prevailed.

Why are you avoiding the truth? 

The USA has no right whatsoever to determine how countries organize themselves. You are simply repeating gross propaganda. Eisenhower knew that the people of Vietnam would vote overwhelmingly for Ho Chi Minh, something like 80 to 90 percent, so the US scuttled the UN sponsored elections. Minh was not a communist, he was a nationalist and he said he would be whatever he had to be to acquire independence for his country. 

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It was Judge Felice Casson who first dredged up the evidence for state sponsored terrorism, while browsing the archives of the Italian military secret service.2 In a BBC documentary on Operation Gladio, Casson described the operations as an effort...

“To create tension within the country to promote conservative, reactionary social and political tendencies. While this strategy was being implemented, it was necessary to protect those behind it because evidence implicating them was being discovered. Witnesses withheld information to cover right-wing extremists.”3

Casson points to a 1972 car bombing in Peteano,that killed three paramilitary police and was blamed on leftists, after which 200 Communists were immediately arrested. He found that there were no police investigations of the scene, and the official report was a forgery4. In fact, it was perpetrated by a right-wing terrorist named Vincenzo Vinciguerra5, operating under Gladio orders, who later confessed to the crime. Vinciguerra's testimony reveals that it was easy to escape and remain hidden because everyone in the Italian security apparatus shared his anti-Communist convictions.6 His testimony further revealed “a secret organisation, a super-organisation with a network of communications, arms, and explosives, and men trained to use them.”7 Years later, in prison, he would claim “I say that every single outrage that followed from 1969 fitted into a single organised matrix.”8 Nearly 2,000 people would die from political murder or acts of terrorism over this period of time. 

When ex-Prime Minister Andreotti finally testified in 1990, he revealed that arms and equipment were provided by the CIA and placed in 139 underground caches across the country. General Giandelio Maletti, a former head of Italian counterintelligence, in March 2001 confirmed the CIA involvement. He stated that after the Piazza Fontana bombing in 1969, pieces of a bomb were planted in a leftist editors villa in order to blame the communists. He stated:

 

"The CIA, following the directives of its government, wanted to create an Italian nationalism capable of halting what it saw as a slide to the left, and, for this purpose, it may have made use of right-wing terrorism.”9

http://www.thepeopleshistory.net/2014/04/operation-gladio-cia-nato-and-terrorism.html

 

[hot enough]

15 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Actually international communism was a reality and a threat during the cold war era. 

You failed to read what William Blum wrote and you have been desperately posting reams of propaganda. 

"This in the name of fighting a supposed moral crusade against what cold warriors convinced themselves, and the American people, was the existence of an evil International Communist Conspiracy, which in fact never existed, evil or not."

[hot enough]

14 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Communism/marxism is a failed system.

Yet, China and Vietnam are blowing the doors off the capitalist USA and many other countries, relying only on their own skills and ingenuity rather than stealing trillions of Euros in other countries' wealth.

[OftenWrong]

The OP is confused when he tries to connect the dots between US foreign policy and religion. Whatever military assistance the US has provided to other countries, they never say they're doing it in the name of Jesus.

[bush_cheney2004]

2 minutes ago, hot enough said:

Yet, China and Vietnam are blowing the doors off the capitalist USA and many other countries, relying only on their own skills and ingenuity rather than stealing trillions of Euros in other countries' wealth.

 

Nope....China and Vietnam GDP per capita doesn't come anywhere near the USA and many other countries.

U.S. "terrorism" works far better....

 

 

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, OftenWrong said:

The OP is confused when he tries to connect the dots between US foreign policy and religion. Whatever military assistance the US has provided to other countries, they never say they're doing it in the name of Jesus.

 

Indeed....U.S. foreign policy and military interventions, before or after WW2, advanced U.S. and allied interests.  I've always wondered why some people choose WW2 as some magic line of demarcation in U.S. policies, as if it was OK before then ?

Those opposed to U.S. policies past and present are welcomed to stop them them if they can...good luck.

[blackbird]

The U.S. system which you dislike has also rescued people being held hostage by evil groups in different parts of the world by using their highly trained special ops.  This is an elite group of specially trained military men who are dropped in to an place in the world to rescue people or remove dictators who are brutally oppressing their people.  One is example was Noriega in Panama.  Special ops landed and eventually arrested Noriega.  When Iran took over 100 people hostage for 400 days, they tried to rescue them in 1980 after the Ayatollah came to power in the revolution in 1979.  The rescue did not succeed because of a helicopter failure.  The hostages were released a day or two after Reagan was sworn in as President.  They did not pay attention to Carter who was too weak.  A strong president made a big difference.

[blackbird]

46 minutes ago, hot enough said:

This information is so easy to find. It comes from US government sources. That you don't know is highly illustrative of just how good the US propaganda system is. 

 

Actually I did read your quote from Blum.   But I don't believe all the propaganda you have fallen for.  If you believe 9-11 was a conspiracy by the U.S. government,  I don't see how we can even get past 1st base or get agreement on anything.  It just baffles me why you believe all that stuff.  There must be something you're not telling as to why you believe that conspiracy stuff.  Each to his own I guess.  I think I guessed correctly the other day that you are a young idealist.  Probably in university and maybe influenced by other leftist professors or students.  Shame that one gets that from a university professor, which should be neutral and not teaching left wing politics and anti west stuff.  I bet you like the NDP Leap Manifesto.  What do you think is the solution to all the evil U.S. imperialism?

[hot enough]

21 minutes ago, blackbird said:

If you believe 9-11 was a conspiracy by the U.S. government, 

The following describes how the US has manipulated public opinion to help them wage a non-existent war on terror. The US has created the false terror just as the US created the false communist threat. 

If you believe that Professor Hulsey, a top forensic engineer doesn't know he is talking about when he says, We can find no justification for WTC7 coming down as a result of fires.

Professor Hulsey also said, paraphrased, WTC7 was built asymmetrically, stiffer on one side than the other, "for gods sake, even a symmetrically built building cannot come down in this fashion without being forced down".

That means controlled demolition. There is no other process known to mankind to bring a building down at free fall speed other than controlled demolition.

Unless you can explain another way to cause free fall speed for, at least, the first 2.5 seconds, 105 feet, 8 floors, until it went out of sight. 

What this science tells anyone with any sense of science is that the alleged hijackers could not have done it. That makes the US official conspiracy theory pure bunk.

Edited March 26, 2017 by hot enough