Rue Posted January 10, 2019 Report Posted January 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Dougie93 said: I never said Canada had a space program I merely said Canada operates in space ttfn I never asserted you said Canada has a space program and no the words you printed and I have reprinted did not merely state Canada operates in space.
Dougie93 Posted January 10, 2019 Report Posted January 10, 2019 21 minutes ago, Rue said: I never asserted you said Canada has a space program and no the words you printed and I have reprinted did not merely state Canada operates in space. Anyone can look at what I said and see that it say "Canada operates in space" and not "Canada has a space program", so not sure why you are needlessly belaboring the point, other than stupidity, as what other reason could there be? Even the most ignorant of the unwashed masses should be able to grasp that Canada goes to space on the back of the American space program, while not actually running a Canadian space program parallel to. The Canadian Space Agency is not a space program, it's an agency charged with sending Canada to space on the back of the American space program, otherwise known as NASA. I mean, duh.
DogOnPorch Posted January 10, 2019 Report Posted January 10, 2019 13 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: The Canadian Space Agency is not a space program, it's an agency charged with sending Canada to space on the back of the American space program, otherwise known as NASA. ....and Roscosmos. Owner operator of the reliable R7 family of rockets. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Rue Posted January 10, 2019 Report Posted January 10, 2019 Dougie has now stated: “Well, as per my post, operating under the ice is a special operation requiring a capacity which is at this juncture only within the purview of major military powers, which Canada cannot, will never be and should not aspire to be..” The issue I contested that Dougie stated and I challenged is not nor has it ever been that operating under ice is a special operation and/or a submarine operation. I now note when you respond to me you deflect from your actual comments that I reproduced and challenged or simply ignore them and now change the topic. Dougie also made this statement I challenge as well as the above one: “Polar under ice operations is the biggest of the big leagues at 15 minutes notice to launch on warning, where you need to have your big boy pants on, and Canada, as an infantilized Fake Country pseudo colony, not only never puts its big boy pants on, but rather doesn't even have any big boy pants at all to put on, even if it was ever inclined to want big boy pants, which it doesn't.” To start with it is a fact no one disputes in any political party in Canada or other than you that Canada needs to patrol its Northern waters on a consistent basis because under international law if it does not, it does not sustain its sovereignty, and its lack of sustaining that sovereignty through the demonstration of regular patrols can be construed in international law to mean Canada has given up its right to sovereignty over those Northern waters and passages. That is clearly a concept you do not grasp but is why no one in Canada but you thinks its not necessary to display sovereignty through patrols in the North, even Justin Trudeau. Next to establish sovereignty Canada can do this in many ways such as: 1-flying jet fighters regularly over the Northern waters, lands and passages and challenging infiltration of Russian aircraft. Because of our NORAD agreement overflights by the USAF in Canadian territory or vice versa can not be considered an infringement of sovereignty of either nation; 2-excusions by Inuit in kataks, small boats, would constitute sufficient display of sovereignty if the went out in certain passages with the Canadian flag showing on their boats and in fact we have what are called “Rangers”, who do just that to protect their hunting areas and also enforce Canadian sovereign rights; 3-ice-breakers would be the most obvious way to do it. In fact ice-breakers not sub-marines as well as jet fighters would probably make the most operational sense at this point but our aging jet fighter fleet and lack of ice-breakers while we wait for some to built is empowering not just Russia but NATO allies such as France, Britain, Denmark, Norway, as well as the US, China and Japan to sail our Northern waters seeking claim to its resources including what is believed to be underground oil not to mention fish and wales or seeking short cuts to pass oil carrying superships to Asia. Now let’s look at your idiotic comment about “ Polar under ice operations is the biggest of the big leagues at 15 minutes notice to launch on warning, where you need to have your big boy pants on,”. Right now the Japanese manufacture a submarine called the Soryu class. The Hull is is made with precision made special steel that can withstand great pressures and depths and ice. The Germans now make state of the art submarines as well. Either country has offered to sell Canada state of the art submarines that could easily patrol the North not to mention we could buy second hand French subs that could do the same. Our diesel engine subs major problem was not ice but malfunctioning engines. Getting a modern state of the art sub that can withstand strong pressures and ice is not the issue. Being willing to spend money for them is and as I said, submarines for Canada do not necessarily need to be used up North, jet feighters, small craft and ice breakers can do that. Submarines are need to engage in surveillance of human and drug trafficking and illegal fishing. The issue now is not that we need a navy but why Trudeau has wasted trillions and not put one penny into the armed forces and is buying second hand deflective F-18's from Australia.
Rue Posted January 10, 2019 Report Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: Anyone can look at what I said and see that it say "Canada operates in space" and not "Canada has a space program", so not sure why you are needlessly belaboring the point, other than stupidity, as what other reason could there be? I mean, duh. Yes it was stupidity for you to say that and now try deny what you said and what I challenged. There would be no other reason for hat and to quote you: " I mean duh ". Say now I knew you sounded like Justin. Is that you Justin writing in? Uh uh uh duh. Edited January 10, 2019 by Rue
Dougie93 Posted January 10, 2019 Report Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Rue said: Yes it was stupidity for you to say that and now try deny what you said and what I challenged. There would be no other reason for hat and to quote you: " I mean duh ". Say now I knew you sounded like Justin. Is that you Justin writing in? Uh uh uh duh. Since you are insistent in posting in bad faith, in that there is no logical consistency supporting your assertions, I would say the issue is that you simply lack the intellectual capacity at this juncture to be able to argue anything, for whatever reason. But since you probably don't know what that means, I tried to dumb it down into its logical conclusion; "stupidity", as making assertions over and over without any logic to underpin them, is the distilled dictionary definition of stupidity. Other than, not sure what I can do to help you. /shrugs Edited January 10, 2019 by Dougie93
Zeitgeist Posted January 10, 2019 Report Posted January 10, 2019 36 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: Anyone can look at what I said and see that it say "Canada operates in space" and not "Canada has a space program", so not sure why you are needlessly belaboring the point, other than stupidity, as what other reason could there be? Even the most ignorant of the unwashed masses should be able to grasp that Canada goes to space on the back of the American space program, while not actually running a Canadian space program parallel to. The Canadian Space Agency is not a space program, it's an agency charged with sending Canada to space on the back of the American space program, otherwise known as NASA. I mean, duh. You need to read up on the CSA. Canada has had ISS commanders. Canada has a very advanced space program and was the third country to launch a satellite in space. Canada is a much smaller country than the US, Russia, China, and even France. Show some respect.
Dougie93 Posted January 10, 2019 Report Posted January 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: You need to read up on the CSA. Canada has had ISS commanders. Canada has a very advanced space program and was the third country to launch a satellite in space. Canada is a much smaller country than the US, Russia, China, and even France. Show some respect. The ISS does not belong to Canada neither, so not a Canadian space program. Canada's size is actually irrelevant, for example Hong Kong outperfoms Canada by almost every measure, particularly in terms of GDP income, and yet Hong Kong is just a rock with no resources. But yes, it is typical of and inclusive to the Canadian Disease to try to use size to justify the dysfunction of Confederation, but looking at Hong Kong, Singapore, and Liechtenstein, reveals that size in fact a canard. In terms of respect, no, I no longer have any respect for Canadian Confederation, hence why I am an Anglo Pequiste, and I only pay taxes to it because they are extracted from me ultimately at gunpoint, but since Canadian Confederation doesn't actually require anything else from me after they've shaken me down, I simply shrug and carry on with my own life as an individual autonomous from said state, quite comfortably. 1
Zeitgeist Posted January 10, 2019 Report Posted January 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Dougie93 said: The ISS does not belong to Canada neither, so not a Canadian space program. Canada's size is actually irrelevant, for example Hong Kong outperfoms Canada by almost every measure, particularly in terms of GDP income, and yet Hong Kong is just a rock with no resources. But yes, it is typical of and inclusive to the Canadian Disease to try to use size to justify the dysfunction of Confederation, but looking at Hong Kong, Singapore, and Liechtenstein, reveals that size in fact a canard. In terms of respect, no, I no longer have any respect for Canadian Confederation, hence why I am an Anglo Pequiste, and I only pay taxes to it because they are extracted from me ultimately at gunpoint, but since Canadian Confederation doesn't actually require anything else from me after they've shaken me down, I simply shrug and carry on with my own life as an individual autonomous from said state, quite comfortably. What are you talking about? The heavy taxes in Quebec are imposed by the government of Quebec. Quebec has also been a recipient of transfer payments from other provinces I won’t even get into the costs of maintaining bilingual government services and laws, a commitment the federal government has made to Quebec Space programs are expensive and should be multi-country projects, which they are: Canadarm, Russian Soyuz rockets, etc. Canada has punched far above its weight on space programs. Do your homework.
Dougie93 Posted January 10, 2019 Report Posted January 10, 2019 Although, that being said, I am still available for conscription, assuming said Conscription Act is signed by Her Majesty, as tho I have no fealty whatsoever to Canadian Confederation per se, I am none the less still a loyal subject of the Crown and associated Commonwealth.
Zeitgeist Posted January 10, 2019 Report Posted January 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: Although, that being said, I am still available for conscription, assuming said Conscription Act is signed by Her Majesty, as tho I have no fealty whatsoever to Canadian Confederation per se, I am none the less still a loyal subject of the Crown and associated Commonwealth. Conscription impacted all Canadians. It was stopped. The US had the draft decades later. Maybe you should learn more about the impact of both world wars on France and the important contributions Canada made to France’s liberation.
Dougie93 Posted January 10, 2019 Report Posted January 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: What are you talking about? The heavy taxes in Quebec are imposed by the government of Quebec. Quebec has also been a recipient of transfer payments from other provinces I won’t even get into the costs of maintaining bilingual government services and laws, a commitment the federal government has made to Quebec Space programs are expensive and should be multi-country projects, which they are: Canadarm, Russian Soyuz rockets, etc. Canada has punched far above its weight on space programs. Do your homework. Seems that you are the one who needs to do some homework, because you keep posting non sequitur to the point, since I did not make any points with regards to the taxation of Quebec. If we could achieve de-Confederation, then I would gladly and proudly pay my taxes to Upper Canada, because it's quite lovely here in Wellington County and I have no desire to leave, but so long as the taxes are being extracted by Ottawa, then those taxes are extracted ultimately at gun point, because I do not otherwise pay them willingly. As to punch above weight class, that was long ago and far away, I was there, and this here now, this ain't it. And the reason is; the inherent and so persistent and increasing dysfunction of Confederation, to wit, doesn't work, never worked, isn't going to work, ergo; vive le Quebec, vive le Quebec libre, my motto.
Dougie93 Posted January 10, 2019 Report Posted January 10, 2019 Just now, Zeitgeist said: Conscription impacted all Canadians. It was stopped. The US had the draft decades later. Maybe you should learn more about the impact of both world wars on France and the important contributions Canada made to France’s liberation. The Government of Canada can pass a conscription act any time they please, and no, you couldn't bring a charter challenge, because, yes, that is something they could actually invoke section 33 in order to ram through.
Zeitgeist Posted January 10, 2019 Report Posted January 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Dougie93 said: Seems that you are the one who needs to do some homework, because you keep posting non sequitur to the point, since I did not make any points with regards to the taxation of Quebec. If we could achieve de-Confederation, then I would gladly and proudly pay my taxes to Upper Canada, because it's quite lovely here in Wellington County and I have no desire to leave, but so long as the taxes are being extracted by Ottawa, then those taxes are extracted ultimately at gun point, because I do not otherwise pay them willingly. As to punch above weight class, that was long ago and far away, I was there, and this here now, this ain't it. And the reason is; the inherent and so persistent and increasing dysfunction of Confederation, to wit, doesn't work, never worked, isn't going to work, ergo; vive le Quebec, vive le Quebec libre, my motto. If you ever served overseas in places like Bosnia or Afghanistan, you’d see the value of what you have in Canada and what the country brings to the table. If you prefer another country’s model, emigrate. You said you voted Liberal and like the freedom here, totally contradicting everything else you said slamming the country and Trudeau. I voted for Harper, yet I have enough perspective to judge Trudeau on his merits or lack thereof. Seems you’re trolling.
Dougie93 Posted January 10, 2019 Report Posted January 10, 2019 I was already out of the army with no desire to return for the purposes of invading The Graveyard of Empires on behalf of American neoliberal NeoConservatives, before 9-11 occurred. In terms of my operational experience, in the 1980's I served with NATO CENTAG on the trace, in the 90's I served on Op Salon in aid to the civil power, and Op Harmony, which is UN chapter 6 UNPROFOR Bosnia was Op Cavalier.
Dougie93 Posted January 10, 2019 Report Posted January 10, 2019 And while I don't wear my medals anymore, I do have them here in my desk, which technically makes me a decorated veteran, although for no particular valour.
Dougie93 Posted January 10, 2019 Report Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) Just to get it out of the way, so you know who you are talking to before you start beaking off about service to the Crown unto death as necessary under contract of unlimited liability As a soldier of HM Royal Canadian Infantry Corps, I served with The Royal Canadian Regiment, 1st and 3rd Battalions, in Rifle Company, as well as Anti-Armor and Reconnaissance Platoons, I was an infantry instructor at the Royal Canadian Regiment Battleschool, and I served in staff positions with Land Forces Central Area and the Land Advanced Warfare Center. Ducimus Edited January 10, 2019 by Dougie93 1
Argus Posted January 10, 2019 Report Posted January 10, 2019 What has any of this crap got to do with Justin Trudeau? "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Dougie93 Posted January 10, 2019 Report Posted January 10, 2019 6 hours ago, Argus said: What has any of this crap got to do with Justin Trudeau? Tangentially, some people are so internalizing the Liberal of Canada as themselves, that if you're not a supporter of the Liberal Party of Canada, they cross chirp you every thread to call you a Russian bot or whatever, and that keeps derailing all the threads.
Rue Posted January 10, 2019 Report Posted January 10, 2019 19 hours ago, Dougie93 said: I was already out of the army with no desire to return for the purposes of invading The Graveyard of Empires on behalf of American neoliberal NeoConservatives, before 9-11 occurred. In terms of my operational experience, in the 1980's I served with NATO CENTAG on the trace, in the 90's I served on Op Salon in aid to the civil power, and Op Harmony, which is UN chapter 6 UNPROFOR Bosnia was Op Cavalier. Was that before or after you become Field Marshall for life?
Rue Posted January 10, 2019 Report Posted January 10, 2019 20 hours ago, Dougie93 said: Since you are insistent in posting in bad faith, in that there is no logical consistency supporting your assertions, Other than, not sure what I can do to help you. /shrugs The fact that you answer as in the above clearly indicates you have no idea how to respond to my challenges. For such an expert on so many things you seem full of shrugged confusion when it comes to defending your comments particularly when they contradict themselves and you try change the subject. Trust me you can not help me nor would I want you to. Your comments also indicate you can't help yourself.
Rue Posted January 10, 2019 Report Posted January 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Dougie93 said: Tangentially, some people are so internalizing the Liberal of Canada as themselves, that if you're not a supporter of the Liberal Party of Canada, they cross chirp you every thread to call you a Russian bot or whatever, and that keeps derailing all the threads. Who are these "some people". Do you have names, addresses?
Rue Posted January 10, 2019 Report Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, Argus said: What has any of this crap got to do with Justin Trudeau? I can answer that. Justin now commands this space program Dougie is referring to and I don't need to tell you what a space cadet Justin was and still is. Dougie likes to call space cadets Liberals. I have no idea why. They named a constellation after Justin.... the Little Dipper. Regards, Lt. Spock Edited January 10, 2019 by Rue 1
Dougie93 Posted January 10, 2019 Report Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Rue said: Was that before or after you become Field Marshall for life? Before, because over time I became Generalissimo of myself, in that I stopped identifying with the Confederation and just started think of myself as a fee thinking individual autonmous from that state, and that other than obeying the law and paying my taxes, I had no other obligation to Canada per se, and since it has gone so out of wack to the Nanny Police State side of things, trying to run every aspect of our lives by making us indentured servants to boondoggles, that it has also become antithetical to my values, so if that was the case, what I was supporting and upholding? And I was right, because now the Prime Minister of Canada has come out and publicly stated that Canada is a Post National State, which is absurd, because post state state is an Orwellian contradiction, and if its a post state state, than which states army had I been serving in? Canada can only suck for so long at being an actually free country before the free country people figure out that Canada doesn't want to be a free country, because Nanny Police State is not the definition of a western classically liberal democratic state. Edited January 10, 2019 by Dougie93
Dougie93 Posted January 10, 2019 Report Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) Then there was that Israeli who said he wanted a Canadian citizenship but he didn't want to take the oath of allegiance, and SCC ruled that he didn't have to, and in fact you could be a Canadian without any particularly fealty other than obeying the law and paying your taxes. So then I reviewed. What oaths had I undertaken? There was only one, my oath to the Queen, so that is the only obligation I am bound to now, which doesn't include Confederation, because a sworn oath to Queen is any Commonwealth State, so basically I report to Buckingham Palace now, because that's the only sovereign I am sworn to. Edited January 10, 2019 by Dougie93
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