dialamah Posted March 8, 2017 Report Posted March 8, 2017 2 hours ago, BillyBeaver said: M-103 is just a small step down a slippery road. No doubt you'd consider the anti-Islamaphobia motion that was passed last year was another one ... https://www.dailysabah.com/americas/2016/11/03/canadian-parliament-passes-anti-islamophobia-motion There were those who of course denounced this motion as a limitation on 'free speech' .... http://www.neveragaincanada.ca/13636-2/ - yet, there are still attacks on Muslims/mosques and rants on buses from those who are exercising their 'free speech'. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/after-mosque-fire-in-peterborough-ont-community-rallies-torebuild/article27272714/ http://www.metronews.ca/news/ottawa/2017/03/07/high-school-student-captures-violent-anti-muslim-rant.html "Free Speech" alive and well in Canada. God forbid we should define physical and verbal attacks on people due to their religion as 'wrong'. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted March 8, 2017 Report Posted March 8, 2017 8 minutes ago, dialamah said: No doubt you'd consider the anti-Islamaphobia motion that was passed last year was another one ... https://www.dailysabah.com/americas/2016/11/03/canadian-parliament-passes-anti-islamophobia-motion There were those who of course denounced this motion as a limitation on 'free speech' .... http://www.neveragaincanada.ca/13636-2/ - yet, there are still attacks on Muslims/mosques and rants on buses from those who are exercising their 'free speech'. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/after-mosque-fire-in-peterborough-ont-community-rallies-torebuild/article27272714/ http://www.metronews.ca/news/ottawa/2017/03/07/high-school-student-captures-violent-anti-muslim-rant.html "Free Speech" alive and well in Canada. God forbid we should define physical and verbal attacks on people due to their religion as 'wrong'. What would be the appropriate punishment for 'Islamophobia' in Canada? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
BillyBeaver Posted March 8, 2017 Report Posted March 8, 2017 Physical attacks are unjustified and indefensible. You do know that metro news is linked to Soros right? That video could have been staged, but French-Canadian extremists are the worst kind. That video just reinforces the idea of why creating special distinctions for "unique cultures" creates a false sense of superiority and sense of entitlement. I agree with the principles of rational discourse and open debate, free speech taken to the extreme is still counterproductive because everyone is shouting and nobody is listening. Quote
dialamah Posted March 8, 2017 Report Posted March 8, 2017 1 hour ago, DogOnPorch said: What would be the appropriate punishment for 'Islamophobia' in Canada? Scorn. Quote
hot enough Posted March 8, 2017 Report Posted March 8, 2017 (edited) The US doesn't have free speech either. The US is a heavily propagandized system, the worst in the world, where presidents can daily, hourly, mouth the most nonsensical lies, "the US is a bastion of freedom"; "the US advances democracy"; "the US is the only power that can save the world", all in complete and total defiance of reality. Edited March 8, 2017 by hot enough Quote
BillyBeaver Posted March 8, 2017 Report Posted March 8, 2017 nobody is talking about the states, but you, bud 1 Quote
hot enough Posted March 8, 2017 Report Posted March 8, 2017 1 hour ago, DogOnPorch said: What would be the appropriate punishment for 'Islamophobia' in Canada? Confining one to a lifetime of Interests:Propane and propane accessories. 1 Quote
Guest Posted March 8, 2017 Report Posted March 8, 2017 18 minutes ago, dialamah said: Scorn. Exactly! Scorn is allowed! Quote
dialamah Posted March 8, 2017 Report Posted March 8, 2017 58 minutes ago, BillyBeaver said: That video could have been staged I've seen and been the 'recipient' of anti-immigrant attacks in public, and any claim that they're staged sounds like an over-the-top conspiracy theory to me. Especially given that police investigate and charge these people. 1 hour ago, BillyBeaver said: I agree with the principles of rational discourse and open debate, free speech taken to the extreme is still counterproductive because everyone is shouting and nobody is listening. Agreed. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted March 8, 2017 Report Posted March 8, 2017 50 minutes ago, dialamah said: Scorn. So if Islam isn't granted what you and its defenders deem proper respect, the culprit will be branded an Islamophobe and scorned by Islam's proponents...like you. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted March 8, 2017 Report Posted March 8, 2017 33 minutes ago, bcsapper said: Exactly! Scorn is allowed! Equal rights for women and such should be scorned? Okay... Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest Posted March 8, 2017 Report Posted March 8, 2017 (edited) 11 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Equal rights for women and such should be scorned? Okay... Not should be. Allowed. Scorn is allowed. "Scorn those who would portray the Prophet!" How much better is that? Edited March 8, 2017 by bcsapper Quote
DogOnPorch Posted March 8, 2017 Report Posted March 8, 2017 Just now, bcsapper said: Not should be. Allowed. Scorn is allowed. "Scorn those who would portay the Prophet!" How much better is that? It's a pipe dream of the left that after defeating the likes of DogOnPorch and his ilk, Islam and Freedom will walk hand-in-hand into the sunset...BFF. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest Posted March 8, 2017 Report Posted March 8, 2017 Just now, DogOnPorch said: It's a pipe dream of the left that after defeating the likes of DogOnPorch and his ilk, Islam and Freedom will walk hand-in-hand into the sunset...BFF. Ah. Is it? I wouldn't know. I just prefer scorn to death. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted March 8, 2017 Report Posted March 8, 2017 Just now, bcsapper said: Ah. Is it? I wouldn't know. I just prefer scorn to death. Aren't we the two here that the IRA took a stab at? Sh!t happens...sometimes to you. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Goddess Posted March 8, 2017 Report Posted March 8, 2017 (edited) 48 minutes ago, dialamah said: I've seen and been the 'recipient' of anti-immigrant attacks in public, and any claim that they're staged sounds like an over-the-top conspiracy theory to me. Especially given that police investigate and charge these people. I would hope this goes both ways. Because I've been screamed at, shouted at, slapped, assaulted (Yes, it went to court), lied to and treated as a sub-human by Muslim immigrants because I am a white woman. I watched in horror as a group of them attacked an Israeli girl on lline, outlining all the barbaric ways they wanted her and her family to die. To a person, every one of the Muslims I have met and interacted with have been angry, unhappy, violent - both verbally and physically. Edit to add: I really never gave much thought to Muslims until I lived amongst them and had to figure out WTF is wrong with these people? Edited March 8, 2017 by Goddess 1 Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Guest Posted March 8, 2017 Report Posted March 8, 2017 1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said: Aren't we the two here that the IRA took a stab at? Sh!t happens...sometimes to you. Absolutely, but to go back to the original comment, it says that scorn would be the appropriate punishment for Islamophobia in Canada. As long as that is not Government mandated scorn, I'm okay with it. Scorn is covered by the same freedom of speech principles that cover Islamophobia. Either could be justified. Either could be ridiculous. All are allowed. Quote
?Impact Posted March 8, 2017 Report Posted March 8, 2017 2 hours ago, DogOnPorch said: What would be the appropriate punishment for 'Islamophobia' in Canada? What would be the appropriate punishment for not having a regular bath/shower? Quote
Guest Posted March 8, 2017 Report Posted March 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, ?Impact said: What would be the appropriate punishment for not having a regular bath/shower? I know what it was in the army. Get the fire hose! Quote
dialamah Posted March 8, 2017 Report Posted March 8, 2017 17 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: So if Islam isn't granted what you and its defenders deem proper respect, the culprit will be branded an Islamophobe and scorned by Islam's proponents...like you. Saying "Islam is a patriarchal religion which supports misogynistic attitudes" is a legit criticism and discussions can be held around that. Saying "Muslims are misogynists and want to turn all of Canada into a misogynistic state" is an Islamaphobic statement and should be scorned. Saying "Islamic terrorism is a problem and needs to be addressed" is a legit criticism and discussions can be held around that. Saying "Islam is a death cult and our sworn enemies" is an Islamaphobic statement and should be scorned. Hope that helps clarify for you the difference between statements based on fear (aka Islamaphobia) and statements that aren't. Quote
Argus Posted March 8, 2017 Author Report Posted March 8, 2017 1 hour ago, bcsapper said: Exactly! Scorn is allowed! Are we allowed to have scorn for Islam? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted March 8, 2017 Author Report Posted March 8, 2017 12 minutes ago, dialamah said: Saying "Islam is a patriarchal religion which supports misogynistic attitudes" is a legit criticism and discussions can be held around that. Saying "Muslims are misogynists and want to turn all of Canada into a misogynistic state" is an Islamaphobic statement and should be scorned. Over 60% of Muslim women in Canada now wear head coverings in order to avoid arousing men. Can I be scornful of that? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Guest Posted March 8, 2017 Report Posted March 8, 2017 Just now, Argus said: Are we allowed to have scorn for Islam? What do you think? I sure do. But then, I have scorn for all organizations that base the lives of their members on the dictates and prognostications of a fictitious creature. Quote
Argus Posted March 8, 2017 Author Report Posted March 8, 2017 3 minutes ago, bcsapper said: What do you think? I sure do. But then, I have scorn for all organizations that base the lives of their members on the dictates and prognostications of a fictitious creature. If you have scorn for that organization, how can you not have scorn for those who dedicate their lives to the beliefs of that organization? Who wrap themselves in bedsheets every day of their lives, for example, because of that organization? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Guest Posted March 8, 2017 Report Posted March 8, 2017 Is there actually anyone on here, anyone at all, who thinks that there is anything, anything at all, that should be exempt from scorn? Quote
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