H10 Posted January 18, 2017 Report Posted January 18, 2017 This will be good to see how he does it (or more likely fails). The American healthcare act took nearly 17 months to get done and the plan was already moving before Obama got elected. Trump has no real plan yet, but he claims he can cover everyone, cheaper, not universal care, and you can keep your doctor. Trump has not even spoken to the chairman of the senate healthcare committee about his plan and his plan can not even begin to be debated in the houses until its introduced into committee and debated in committe, amended multiple times in committee, pass committee then into both houses. Trump is not going to give people healthcare. They will repeal Obama care and back to square one. Trump will be a one term president if he isn't impeached or primaried.
sharkman Posted January 18, 2017 Report Posted January 18, 2017 (edited) Wait, what if he gets arrested first? Or how about being brought up on charges that he's a scoundrel, right? I mean, he should be arrested for repealing Obamacare in the first place, hey? Or get this! Arrested for beating Hillary in the election!! Now you're talking, bub. But aside from all the crazy leftwing nonsense, Obamacare costs too much and it's going to bankrupt the nation. Obama may have nice smile, but he doesn't know jack about economics. Too bad about that, but someone's gotta clean up the fiscal mess that Obama left, or the nation will go bankrupt. It still may do so if interest rates jump way way up to 6%(Hint, 6% isn't a lot). That's why Hillary lost, she was going to double down on Obama's spending, so the US dodged a bullet there. Trump's a scoundrel, but he's certainly not the first. Can his administration, the Congress and the Senate come up with a better medical insurance system? It's possible, it's always easier to fix a program that's faulty than to make one from scratch that isn't flawed. Edited January 18, 2017 by sharkman
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 18, 2017 Report Posted January 18, 2017 (edited) Trump did not destroy the private health care insurance market. Trump did not rob Medicare of future funding. Trump did not cause insurance costs to spiral up at astounding rates. Trump did not add expensive taxes to medical devices with costs past on to consumers. Going back to "square one" is exactly what is needed compared to the ACA (Obamacare). It has gotten so bad, my state is now giving free health care insurance to illegals ! Guess who is paying for that ? Edited January 18, 2017 by bush_cheney2004 Economics trumps Virtue.
H10 Posted January 18, 2017 Author Report Posted January 18, 2017 9 hours ago, sharkman said: But aside from all the crazy leftwing nonsense, Obamacare costs too much and it's going to bankrupt the nation. Obama may have nice smile, but he doesn't know jack about economics. Too bad about that, but someone's gotta clean up the fiscal mess that Obama left, or the nation will go bankrupt. It still may do so if interest rates jump way way up to 6%(Hint, 6% isn't a lot). That's why Hillary lost, she was going to double down on Obama's spending, so the US dodged a bullet there. Trump's a scoundrel, but he's certainly not the first. Can his administration, the Congress and the Senate come up with a better medical insurance system? It's possible, it's always easier to take a program that's faulty than to make one from scratch that isn't flawed. get more crazy medicine. 9 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Trump did not destroy the private health care insurance market. Trump did not rob Medicare of future funding. Trump did not cause insurance costs to spiral up at astounding rates. Trump did not add expensive taxes to medical devices with costs past on to consumers. Going back to "square one" is exactly what is needed compared to the ACA (Obamacare). It has gotten so bad, my state is now giving free health care insurance to illegals ! Guess who is paying for that ? No he didn't. No he did not, he hasn't done anything yet. ACA needs adjustments, not to be thrown out. Then why do you vote for pro-illegal donald trump who employs them and wants the illegals to have free healthcare so they can show up to build his buildings in nyc where he used illegal polish workers?
segnosaur Posted January 18, 2017 Report Posted January 18, 2017 11 hours ago, sharkman said: But aside from all the crazy leftwing nonsense, Obamacare costs too much and it's going to bankrupt the nation. Health care is expensive, but it has always been expensive, even before Obamacare. Obama may have nice smile, but he doesn't know jack about economics. Too bad about that, but someone's gotta clean up the fiscal mess that Obama left, or the nation will go bankrupt. Obama inherited a fiscal mess, with the banking collapse. rising unemployment and a deficit (due in part to Bush-era tax cuts and spending like TARP.) Under Obama, unemployment levels have returned to pre-2008 levels, and the deficit has been greatly reduced. (Obama may not be the sole reason for the turn-around; after all, the economy was likely going to rebound anyways, but he's still the one in charge, and there isn't that much "fiscal mess" to clean up.) Trump's a scoundrel, but he's certainly not the first. Can his administration, the Congress and the Senate come up with a better medical insurance system? Possible, but unlikely. If it were so easy to come up with a replacement, why haven't they? Trump keeps making boastful claims about how everyone will be covered/costs will be cheaper/etc., but we haven't seen any details about how he will actually accomplish that. And while there are a couple of proposals being floated around by the Republicans, many of them are flawed (don't cover everyone, etc.) All the republicans seem to have done is to say "repeal"; they've brought very little of value to the table. They can't even agree whether they want to repeal and replace simultaneously or repeal now and replace it in the future. The medical system is a minefield. People want it all.. cheap, full coverage for everyone, flexible, efficient. Many of these goals are contradictory (e.g. if you offer full coverage for everyone, some will see their costs go up).
segnosaur Posted January 18, 2017 Report Posted January 18, 2017 13 minutes ago, sharkman said: have patience. Why? What have the republicans and/or Trump done to earn the patience of American voters? And just how long should we give them? A month? A year? At what point would you be willing to concede that Trump and the republicans can't do what they promised? Trump went through an entire election campaign (primaries and the election itself) claiming he had big plans. Why isn't he giving us those plans now?
Omni Posted January 18, 2017 Report Posted January 18, 2017 Trump wants to keep healthcare in the hands of private insurance companies so they cam continue to reap yuuuuge profits and continue to kick to the curb those who are less fortunate. Yep, America will be just as "great: as usual.
sharkman Posted January 18, 2017 Report Posted January 18, 2017 13 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Trump did not destroy the private health care insurance market. Trump did not rob Medicare of future funding. Trump did not cause insurance costs to spiral up at astounding rates. Trump did not add expensive taxes to medical devices with costs past on to consumers. Going back to "square one" is exactly what is needed compared to the ACA (Obamacare). It has gotten so bad, my state is now giving free health care insurance to illegals ! Guess who is paying for that ? Unfortunately, this reality is too much to grasp for some. I only hope Trump can stop the insanity!
Omni Posted January 18, 2017 Report Posted January 18, 2017 5 minutes ago, sharkman said: Unfortunately, this reality is too much to grasp for some. I only hope Trump can stop the insanity! Trump STOPPING insanity? Surely you jest. He has done nothing so far other than create it as well as a lot of anxiety. He has no plan to replace the ACA other than to leave it in the hands of, probably some of his buddies, who make a nice profit from it. Oh and BTW, if you are already sick, just go die somewhere. https://qz.com/885823/with-no-plan-to-replace-obamacare-the-gop-is-creating-anxiety-for-millions-of-sick-americans/
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 18, 2017 Report Posted January 18, 2017 2 hours ago, segnosaur said: ...Trump went through an entire election campaign (primaries and the election itself) claiming he had big plans. Why isn't he giving us those plans now? Trump has already proposed big plans on taxes, import tariffs, and foreign policy changes. Obamacare is already on the chopping block. "Us" is the United States, not the rest of the world. Economics trumps Virtue.
sharkman Posted January 18, 2017 Report Posted January 18, 2017 2 hours ago, Omni said: Trump STOPPING insanity? Surely you jest. He has done nothing so far other than create it as well as a lot of anxiety. He has no plan to replace the ACA other than to leave it in the hands of, probably some of his buddies, who make a nice profit from it. Oh and BTW, if you are already sick, just go die somewhere. https://qz.com/885823/with-no-plan-to-replace-obamacare-the-gop-is-creating-anxiety-for-millions-of-sick-americans/ Well one thing's for sure. All of those nasty cases of Trump Derangement Syndrome will not be covered!
segnosaur Posted January 18, 2017 Report Posted January 18, 2017 16 minutes ago, sharkman said: Well one thing's for sure. All of those nasty cases of Trump Derangement Syndrome will not be covered! The term "derangement syndrome" is used when a leader is tied to all sorts of things with little or no evidence. When people are referring to Trump's flaws, we are basing our opinion on things he actually has said and done. (Or, in the case of Obamacare, what he hasn't said.)
H10 Posted January 19, 2017 Author Report Posted January 19, 2017 3 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Trump has already proposed big plans on taxes, import tariffs, and foreign policy changes. Obamacare is already on the chopping block. "Us" is the United States, not the rest of the world. Lol, he is going to increase taxes and tariffs on products, increasing cost for consumers, he is going to cut taxes for the rich, while raising them on the poor, he will push a foreign policy change that could collapse American exporters especially with the trade wars. He is going to have large infrastructure projects, but cut taxes and abolish estate taxes and run up a balloon of a deficit. Trump... I can't wait for him to run his policies and destroy America.
Omni Posted January 19, 2017 Report Posted January 19, 2017 2 hours ago, sharkman said: Well one thing's for sure. All of those nasty cases of Trump Derangement Syndrome will not be covered! And man oh man, cases are popping up from coast to coast. And it isn't even the 20th yet.
kimmy Posted January 19, 2017 Report Posted January 19, 2017 8 hours ago, segnosaur said: If it were so easy to come up with a replacement, why haven't they? They had 8 years under Bush to make improvements, and did nothing, because they didn't actually give a crap about increasing accessibility to healthcare. When Obama took over and forced the ACA through, they were put in the position of having to at least pretend they care about increasing accessibility to healthcare. "Oh, we DO care about people who can't get insurance! We DO care about people who lose their healthcare coverage through no fault of their own! We care lots about those things! We want to help those people, we just don't think Obamacare is the right plan to do that!" but still never actually articulated this magic plan. Now that they're in charge of Congress, the Senate, and the White House, they're in the position of either conjuring this magic plan out of a hat, or admitting that they never actually gave a crap about protecting peoples' access to healthcare insurance in the first place. -k (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 19, 2017 Report Posted January 19, 2017 2 hours ago, hernanday said: Lol, he is going to increase taxes and tariffs on products, increasing cost for consumers, he is going to cut taxes for the rich, while raising them on the poor, he will push a foreign policy change that could collapse American exporters especially with the trade wars. He is going to have large infrastructure projects, but cut taxes and abolish estate taxes and run up a balloon of a deficit. Trump... I can't wait for him to run his policies and destroy America. Trump can't do any worse that Obama when it comes to deficits and federal debt. Canadians said that Reagan would destroy America...then Bush was going to destroy America....now Trump is going to destroy America. Please recall that 'America' had a bloody civil war, and emerged stronger because of it. Canada can just watch, as usual. Economics trumps Virtue.
Omni Posted January 19, 2017 Report Posted January 19, 2017 4 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Trump can't do any worse that Obama when it comes to deficits and federal debt. Canadians said that Reagan would destroy America...then Bush was going to destroy America....now Trump is going to destroy America. Please recall that 'America' had a bloody civil war, and emerged stronger because of it. Canada can just watch, as usual. I don't think you emerged stronger becaused you are still so divided. But I suspect Trump will likely be removed before he can actually destroy America. Best of luck.
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 19, 2017 Report Posted January 19, 2017 Just now, Omni said: I don't think you emerged stronger becaused you are still so divided. But I suspect Trump will likely be removed before he can actually destroy America. Best of luck. America is not afraid of division....it has been stress tested many times. It is not Canada. Economics trumps Virtue.
Omni Posted January 19, 2017 Report Posted January 19, 2017 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: America is not afraid of division....it has been stress tested many times. It is not Canada. You're right about one thing, it is not Canada. We didn't have a civil war, didn't need one, and we don't have that ongoing nagging divide. For instance we don't fight over which flag should fly. We solved that a long time ago. Are you a fan of the Confederate I guess?
?Impact Posted January 19, 2017 Report Posted January 19, 2017 10 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Canadians said that Reagan would destroy America...then Bush was going to destroy America....now Trump is going to destroy America. Reagan started America down the road to massive debt Bush invaded Iraq and changed the face of America irreparably Trump ...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 19, 2017 Report Posted January 19, 2017 Just now, Omni said: You're right about one thing, it is not Canada. We didn't have a civil war, didn't need one, and we don't have that ongoing nagging divide. For instance we don't fight over which flag should fly. We solved that a long time ago. Are you a fan of the Confederate I guess? Americans fight over more meaningful isues than whether French or English should be spoken at press conferences. Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 19, 2017 Report Posted January 19, 2017 Just now, ?Impact said: Reagan started America down the road to massive debt Bush invaded Iraq and changed the face of America irreparably Trump ... The U.S. had deficits and a large federal debt before Reagan. The U.S. attacked and invaded Iraq long before George W. Bush. The U.S. didn't care what Canada thought then...or now. Economics trumps Virtue.
Omni Posted January 19, 2017 Report Posted January 19, 2017 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: The U.S. had deficits and a large federal debt before Reagan. The U.S. attacked and invaded Iraq long before George W. Bush. The U.S. didn't care what Canada thought then...or now. Yeah see we don't fight too much over going to illegal wars (Iraq) We just say no. Or to put it in French such as Chretien said to Bush....non.
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 19, 2017 Report Posted January 19, 2017 Just now, Omni said: Yeah see we don't fight too much over going to illegal wars (Iraq) We just say no. Or to put it in French such as Chretien said to Bush....non. Wrong....PM Chretien attacked Serbia illegally..did not say "No". Watch Trump operate on Obamacare....it will be an autopsy. Economics trumps Virtue.
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