Moonlight Graham Posted December 23, 2016 Report Posted December 23, 2016 (edited) More fun from our Muslim radical friends: Quote Police in Australia have detained five suspects who were allegedly planning a series of Christmas Day bomb attacks in the heart of the country’s second largest city, officials said Friday. The suspects had been inspired by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant... Five men between ages 21 and 26 remained in custody. They were not identified but police said four were born in Australia and the fifth was Egyptian-born with Egyptian and Australian citizenship, police said. Police had been watching the alleged plotters for some time, and believed they were preparing to use explosives and other weapons, Ashton said. http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/australian-police-arrest-seven-suspects-who-allegedly-planned-christmas-bombings-in-melbourne What to do, what to do... Edited December 23, 2016 by Moonlight Graham Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Moonlight Graham Posted December 23, 2016 Author Report Posted December 23, 2016 What's worrisome to me is that besides the fact that these kinds of attacks happen/are planned by Muslims living in Western countries, you also have to wonder how many Muslims living in the west would consider doing these kinds of things but never bother to act on them, or how many Muslims in the west sympathize with these attackers and are quietly and secretly cheering them on in their own minds. That number has to be far, far, greater than the # of people who actually have the guts to carry out these attacks. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Peter F Posted December 23, 2016 Report Posted December 23, 2016 The law is considered to be a deterrence to others. How many folks think about committing crimes but then drop the idea when they think about the punishment involved should they get caught committing the crime ? Why, the numbers gotta be in the thousands at least? What should we do about an unknown number of people thinking unknown criminal thoughts? There aught to be a law ... Quote A bayonet is a tool with a worker at both ends
Guest Posted December 23, 2016 Report Posted December 23, 2016 18 minutes ago, Peter F said: The law is considered to be a deterrence to others. How many folks think about committing crimes but then drop the idea when they think about the punishment involved should they get caught committing the crime ? Why, the numbers gotta be in the thousands at least? What should we do about an unknown number of people thinking unknown criminal thoughts? There aught to be a law ... There ought to be a post! Oh, there is. Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted December 23, 2016 Author Report Posted December 23, 2016 (edited) 5 hours ago, Peter F said: The law is considered to be a deterrence to others. How many folks think about committing crimes but then drop the idea when they think about the punishment involved should they get caught committing the crime ? Why, the numbers gotta be in the thousands at least? What should we do about an unknown number of people thinking unknown criminal thoughts? There aught to be a law ... Good point. However, doesn't it seem very disturbing the nature of these possible "criminal thoughts"? We're not talking just theft, or rape, or even just murder. We're talking about people who live in a country who wish to attack the country they live in, and kill its citizens. That's the highest form of treason: attacking Australian citizens (or the state) simply because they are Australian. It's pretty disgusting to me that there's people living in Canada, including those who are Canadian citizens, who support the killing of their fellow countrymen simply because they're Canadians. It's also disturbing that there's many, many people who live in Canada as a "permanent resident" for their entire lives after immigrating without any intention of becoming Canadian citizens. What the hell are you doing here then? Just milking off the teet? Edited December 23, 2016 by Moonlight Graham Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
dialamah Posted December 23, 2016 Report Posted December 23, 2016 6 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said: Good point. However, doesn't it seem very disturbing the nature of these possible "criminal thoughts"? We're not talking just theft, or rape, or even just murder. We're talking about people who live in a country who wish to attack the country they live in, and kill its citizens. That's the highest form of treason: attacking Australian citizens (or the state) simply because they are Australian. It's pretty disgusting to me that there's people living in Canada, including those who are Canadian citizens, who support the killing of their fellow countrymen simply because they're Canadians. It's also disturbing that there's many, many people who live in Canada as a "permanent resident" for their entire lives after immigrating without any intention of becoming Canadian citizens. What the hell are you doing here then? Just milking off the teet? Oddly, I don't see murder-by-terrorism as worse than murder-by-robbery or murder by any other means. Especially for the victim. Nobody in the after life is saying to themselves "Sure glad I was accidentally shot by my two-year-old and not by a terrorist!". It's pretty disturbing to me that there's people living in Canada, exclusively Canadian citizens, who support the killing of other people simply because they are of a different race, religion or sexual orientation. Like this Canadian, what kind of person does that? Or my neighbor, whose harassment and threats caused a family to move, and eventually got him charged with a hate crime; how disturbing is it that he boasted about his guns, threatened to kill (non-white) people, and used his vehicle to threaten and intimidate them? Are these examples less bothersome to you because these guys are white Canadians and not Middle Eastern Muslims? And, just to be clear that I'm not 'defending' terrorists, these Australian terrorists are just as disgusting as these Kansas City terrorists. Quote
Peter F Posted December 23, 2016 Report Posted December 23, 2016 I completely agree with dialamah. It's very disturbing knowing that at this very moment somebody somewhere is actually considering doing herm to someone else; or perhaps not thinking much at all and inadvertently harming another. There's all sorts of wierdo's and goofballs in this world and this country harming others through all sorts of means and lord knows how many more who actually think bad thoughts! Planning to carry out bad things, fortunately, is a criminal act and the police can investigate and arrest such folks just like the Australians have and just as the RCMP have , now and in the past. I have no problem with folks living here - be they Canadian citizens or not - who do not harm others. It doesn't trouble me in any way whatsoever that some of them couldn't give two cents for the country. They pay the tax and obey the laws and all is well. What more can be asked of anyone? Love? They must Love us? Quote A bayonet is a tool with a worker at both ends
eyeball Posted December 23, 2016 Report Posted December 23, 2016 8 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said: Good point. However, doesn't it seem very disturbing the nature of these possible "criminal thoughts"? We're not talking just theft, or rape, or even just murder. We're talking about people who live in a country who wish to attack the country they live in, and kill its citizens. That's the highest form of treason: attacking Australian citizens (or the state) simply because they are Australian. What's also disturbing is the assumption these thoughts are just coming out of the blue. They're not, They are the result of cognitive and moral dissonance. Quote It's pretty disgusting to me that there's people living in Canada, including those who are Canadian citizens, who support the killing of their fellow countrymen simply because they're Canadians. The dissonant endless rhetoric of peace, democracy and liberty from the same people who support drop bombs, arming dictators and humiliating Muslims eventually fills them with disgust and drives them mad. Quote It's also disturbing that there's many, many people who live in Canada as a "permanent resident" for their entire lives after immigrating without any intention of becoming Canadian citizens. What the hell are you doing here then? Just milking off the teet? We should definitely do more to prevent people from becoming so easily disturbed, including Canadians. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Guest Posted December 23, 2016 Report Posted December 23, 2016 (edited) 4 hours ago, dialamah said: Oddly, I don't see murder-by-terrorism as worse than murder-by-robbery or murder by any other means. Especially for the victim. Nobody in the after life is saying to themselves "Sure glad I was accidentally shot by my two-year-old and not by a terrorist!". It's pretty disturbing to me that there's people living in Canada, exclusively Canadian citizens, who support the killing of other people simply because they are of a different race, religion or sexual orientation. Like this Canadian, what kind of person does that? Or my neighbor, whose harassment and threats caused a family to move, and eventually got him charged with a hate crime; how disturbing is it that he boasted about his guns, threatened to kill (non-white) people, and used his vehicle to threaten and intimidate them? Are these examples less bothersome to you because these guys are white Canadians and not Middle Eastern Muslims? And, just to be clear that I'm not 'defending' terrorists, these Australian terrorists are just as disgusting as these Kansas City terrorists. So you're saying the events in Berlin would be equally disturbing had the driver suffered from a heart attack, and ploughed into the crowd after he died? Edited December 23, 2016 by bcsapper Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction - Blaise Pascal Quote
-TSS- Posted December 23, 2016 Report Posted December 23, 2016 Dont know about Australia but in Europe attacks are prevented almost on a daily basis. Fortunately most of them are so poorly planned that preventing them is a piece of cake. When it is reported that an attack has been foiled you can become suspicios that they are going to push through more surveillance-laws to monitor citizens. Quote
Guest Posted December 23, 2016 Report Posted December 23, 2016 (edited) 1 minute ago, -TSS- said: Dont know about Australia but in Europe attacks are prevented almost on a daily basis. Fortunately most of them are so poorly planned that preventing them is a piece of cake. When it is reported that an attack has been foiled you can become suspicios that they are going to push through more surveillance-laws to monitor citizens. Personally I would balk at them installing a camera in my house. Anywhere else, I'm okay with it. Edited December 23, 2016 by bcsapper Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction - Blaise Pascal Quote
-TSS- Posted December 23, 2016 Report Posted December 23, 2016 People often lose their sense of perspective with things like this. Imagine an attack on the scale of 9/11 happening every week in any given European city. people would be paralysed with fear. Yet even then the likelihood of being a victim of such an attack is like a negative lottery-win. However, if that happened every week with hundreds of victims every week people would be negging their governments to step up the police-state. I'm not hinting here any tinfoil-hat theory or something. Just stating the facts how the human-mind works irrationally. Quote
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